Wisconsin vs Total Recall

[ExileOnDaytonStreet]

I actually don't have a problem with requiring an ID of some sort to vote. At least in theory. Practice may be another thing...

My issue is that I find it VERY hard to believe that "Union Thugs" are coming into state with false documentation to register and then vote. It would take 1000s to even be significant and would be pretty obvious.

I heard all the tales of "Out of state Union Thugs" dominating the protests last year. I went to several of them, took hundreds of photos and you know what I saw? Families, teachers, old people, college & high school students... Didn't see busses from out of state - they'd have been kind of hard to hide if they had come in great numbers.

The right's blatant mis-representation of all things while calling it "news" is bad enough. The fact that so many who consider themselves intelligent take it as fact is even worse.

The most amusing example was when Fox News showed footage of out of control protesters in Madison... with palm trees in the background.

 

[ExileOnDaytonStreet]

Regarding Wisconsin, its simply a "get your voters to the polls" race right now. If unions can't do that, then so be it. What I was amused by was it took a weekend appearance by Bill Clinton who finally framed the issue in a concise statement even though this race has been building for a year. IIRC he said that electing Walker rewards the politics of divide and conquer. Agree with that or not, its still a succinct definition of the race that appears to have eluded the Dems up to this point. If they come up short one wonders if that sort of clear messaging would have made a difference had it occured earlier.

Part of the problem: The Wisconsin Dems are run by idiots. We have no one who thinks the way Clinton does.

 

[Gurtholfin]

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Part of the problem: The Wisconsin Dems are run by idiots. We have no one who thinks the way Clinton does.

I think you could say that about almost all Dems, everywhere. They just can't seem to get out of their own way.

If Walker wins, I believe it will be due to a weak opponent and a weak message (oh, is that all?). When the recall was in the process of collecting sigs, I kept thinking, who's gonna be the candidate? You can't just trot someone out there who is simply not Scott Walker.

Oh well, we'll see tonight... or Thursday after Waukesha County "finds" more votes.

That's the other funny part about the right's voter fraud claims. The only voting irregularities/questions/clusterflucks that we've seen recently in Wisconsin have come out of Waukesha County - which is probably more red than Dane County is blue.

 

[Gurtholfin]

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The most amusing example was when Fox News showed footage of out of control protesters in Madison... with palm trees in the background.

Global warming dude...

 

[amherstblackbear]

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This would be challenging to do. I think it's a lot easier to go the traditional routes of having dead people vote, etc.

The GOP primary season has shown an easier way still. Just don't count all the votes.

On topic: I don't buy the "narrowing late" stories. I'd be surprised if Walker wins by less than 7 or 8. No amount of backpedaling by Democrats will mask the fact that they screwed this one up.

 

[Gurtholfin]

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On topic: I don't buy the "narrowing late" stories. I'd be surprised if Walker wins by less than 7 or 8. No amount of backpedaling by Democrats will mask the fact that they screwed this one up.

I agree with this...

 

[Tiggsy]

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I think you could say that about almost all Dems, everywhere. They just can't seem to get out of their own way.

If Walker wins, I believe it will be due to a weak opponent and a weak message (oh, is that all?). When the recall was in the process of collecting sigs, I kept thinking, who's gonna be the candidate? You can't just trot someone out there who is simply not Scott Walker.

This is the puzzling thing to me as well. Why would you trot out the same guy who just lost to Walker. Not a whole lot has changed and it's not like Walker won by a point or two. You're really hoping more people are angry then may really be angry, to switch their vote.

 

[Timothy A]

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I think you could say that about almost all Dems, everywhere. They just can't seem to get out of their own way.

If Walker wins, I believe it will be due to a weak opponent and a weak message (oh, is that all?).

I disagree. If Barrett loses, it will be because the majority of the State realized this recall was a bunch of crap from the beginning. We let Doyle screw up the State for how many years and the Republican Senators didn't flee the state so they could block bills they didn't agree with or start a recall. I'm not saying Walker is perfect or anything, but he has closed the deficit and reeled in the unions, which are 2 hot button for me, and he should be allowed to complete his term.

 

[Rover]

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This is the puzzling thing to me as well. Why would you trot out the same guy who just lost to Walker. Not a whole lot has changed and it's not like Walker won by a point or two. You're really hoping more people are angry then may really be angry, to switch their vote.

My personal feeling is the party didn't seem to plan for what would happen if the recall actually happened. Agreed that giving Barrett a third try at the governorship wasn't a great idea. Relying on unions to pull you over the line is no less a mistake than Romney banking on Super PAC's. At some point you have to take ownership of your own campaign. I thought another example of mis-messaging is the oft repeated claim by Walker that he had to pass anti-union measures to get concessions from them, when in reality the unions had already given up the savings before these measures got passed.

 

[Kepler]

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My personal feeling is the party didn't seem to plan for what would happen if the recall actually happened. Agreed that giving Barrett a third try at the governorship wasn't a great idea. Relying on unions to pull you over the line is no less a mistake than Romney banking on Super PAC's.

Good lesson for the general. The unions aint what they used to be, and the time when they alone could deliver WI, MI, OH, and PA is passed. Just as well they found out in a relatively meaningless election.

 

[unofan]

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Here's my contention against that opposition: anyone age of 18 and up in MN is required to keep a state issued ID on their person at all times when leaving their home.

Bullshiat. No American citizen is required to have papers on them simply to step outside their own home. To drive? Yes. To simply be outside? No.

 

[unofan]

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Considering that it has already happened in Ohio in 2008, I'm merely being empirical.

Proof or it didn't happen...

I think the Dems stole Illinois from Nixon in 1960. There is no proof election fraud took place in Ohio on the scale you're suggesting.

 

[FreshFish]

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Proof or it didn't happen....

Perhaps you may not have heard of this technological innovation called a "search engine"? If you type certain "keywords" it then scans hundreds of thousands of web pages to see if they contain those keywords. I'm sure you can figure it out.

There were multiple stories about an organized effort back in 2008 in Ohio, which I remembered reading. I'm not sure how many of those stories are still accessible.

http://michellemalkin.com/2008/10/1...red-as-ohio-voters-received-absentee-ballots/

 

[geezer]

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If anyone doesn't think teachers unions are completely corrupt. A friend of mine was a teacher, the union docked his paycheck to send out electioneering flyers for the Democrat Party and whatnot. He told them, I don't support what you're doing, stop pulling the dues out of my paycheck. They refused to let him quit the racket. He had to quit his teaching job, but started a trucking business and made a million bucks or so. I'm sure the school found someone more amendable to the organized crime that is the teachers union.

 

[unofan]

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Perhaps you may not have heard of this technological innovation called a "search engine"? If you type certain "keywords" it then scans hundreds of thousands of web pages to see if they contain those keywords. I'm sure you can figure it out.

There were multiple stories about an organized effort back in 2008 in Ohio, which I remembered reading. I'm not sure how many of those stories are still accessible.

http://michellemalkin.com/2008/10/1...red-as-ohio-voters-received-absentee-ballots/

You're the one making outrageous claims, you need to support it. I'm not going to do your research for you.

 

[Rover]

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Perhaps you may not have heard of this technological innovation called a "search engine"? If you type certain "keywords" it then scans hundreds of thousands of web pages to see if they contain those keywords. I'm sure you can figure it out.

There were multiple stories about an organized effort back in 2008 in Ohio, which I remembered reading. I'm not sure how many of those stories are still accessible.

http://michellemalkin.com/2008/10/1...red-as-ohio-voters-received-absentee-ballots/

I think you've just exposed yourself as a fraud. Michelle Malkin's website? That's your source? Yeah. Might as well go all the way and confess that you find her attractive too!

 

[Rover]

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If anyone doesn't think teachers unions are completely corrupt. A friend of mine was a teacher, the union docked his paycheck to send out electioneering flyers for the Democrat Party and whatnot. He told them, I don't support what you're doing, stop pulling the dues out of my paycheck. They refused to let him quit the racket. He had to quit his teaching job, but started a trucking business and made a million bucks or so. I'm sure the school found someone more amendable to the organized crime that is the teachers union.

A completely believable story if I ever heard one. Right down to the part about making a million bucks. A word of advice: next time make the guy's success post-union a little more realistic, okay?

 

[FreshFish]

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You're the one making outrageous claims, you need to support it. I'm not going to do your research for you.

There's nothing outrageous in saying that two dozen people from NY were caught voting illegally in Ohio in 2008. It was in all the NY papers. I don't need to do any research at all. If you want to call me a liar then do so, but there's no reason to do that. You are asking for proof and I offer my memory and you say that's not good enough. Like your opinion really matters to my sense of integrity and well-being?




PS I cannot stand Michele Malkin! She is loud and shrill and obnoxious. Her personality flaws may not invalidate her facts, however.

We had massive voter fraud in Bridgeport, CT in the last election. They held the polls open late, then SEIU started bringing busloads of people to the polls after official closing time, and surprise surprise the Dem won by a few thousand votes.

 

[Kepler]

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There were multiple stories about an organized effort back in 2008 in Ohio, which I remembered reading. I'm not sure how many of those stories are still accessible.[Michelle Malkin link omitted out of a sense of decency]

There were multiple stories about Bush stealing Ohio in 2004. Doesn't mean it happened (doesn't mean it didn't, either).

The recent stolen elections are a draw, Kennedy in 1960 and Bush in 2000. Hopefully we won't play a rubber game, though the south is up to its old tricks trying to disenfranchise black people.

 

[Wol4ine]

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Kindly site some evidence of this claim please.

Meanwhile, Brunner said today that 200,000 new voters appear to have driver's license numbers or Social Security numbers that do not match information on their voter registration forms

here is a link to the Columbus Dispatch article about voter fraud

ps I do like Michelle Malkin.