Wisconsin vs Total Recall

[Carter]

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I think the problem is that the typical private sector worker can no longer stomach the fact that state union workers get better pay, they retire years earlier, get generous pensions that don't even really exist anymore in the private sector, pay much, much less for health care, get more vacation, sick time, can never get fired, etc and this is all at the taxpayers expense. Wouldn't you be a little PO'd if your taxes were going through the roof every year, knowing that a lot of it was going towards keeping the status quo with union pay and benefits, while at the same time you were getting no raises, paying more and more for health care and having to work until your 70 and retiring with just social security benefits? I know it sucks to lose anything, but you have to stop drinking the Kool-Aid and look at it from the non union employee point of view.

Sorry, but I'm not about to argue this with one more person who doesn't know what the f they're talking about, and that includes you. And I haven't tasted Kool-Aid in roughly 50 years.

 

[carltonbarrett]

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Sorry, but I'm not about to argue this with one more person who doesn't know what the f they're talking about, and that includes you. And I haven't tasted Kool-Aid in roughly 50 years.

Yeah, and that's why the idiot running against Walker himself even realizes now that taking away the collective bargaining rights is going to save the state and has no intention of ever re-instating them, none. Even the liberal newspapers all over the country's editorials are admitting that it's now or never to save ourselves by beating back the public sector union's monopoly. Have you even noticed how many of your own union members have decided to LEAVE the union? The Gig's up guy, sorry......

 

[goldy_331]

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The stupid are always the most bellicose and the most self-confident.

We know, we've been reading your posts for years.

 

[unofan]

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Jesus H. Christ...

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_...in-recall-election-will-scott-walker-survive/

Walker is dominating his Democratic rival, Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett, in the money race thanks in large part to donors from outside the state. As of campaign filings released on May 29, Walker had raised $30.5 million, with about two-thirds of that total coming from donors outside Wisconsin. Barrett had raised $4 million, with about one-fourth coming from outside the state. Part of the disparity can be explained by the fact that Walker, as a sitting governor facing recall, is not subject to the state's legal limits on campaign contributions under Wisconsin law. Barrett, by contrast, was legally barred from accepting contributions in excess of $10,000 per person.

The rest of the spending in the race has been from outside groups, and it has disproportionately benefited Walker. The Tea Party-linked group Americans for Prosperity alone told CBS News it has spent $10 million on the race since January 2011 on what it says is education over the positive impact of Walker's budget reform efforts. Union groups have spent at least $2 million to defeat Walker, according to CPI.

2 things...why are the 2 candidates subject to different campaign finance rules? And is there anyone out there who seriously thinks this kind of out-of-state spending is a good thing? We prevent foreigners from contributing to federal elections in any significant manner, seems like the same priciple could apply to state elections. I think one could easily argue states have a compelling interest in limiting out-of-state funding.

 

[goldy_331]

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Jesus H. Christ...

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_...in-recall-election-will-scott-walker-survive/



2 things...why are the 2 candidates subject to different campaign finance rules? And is there anyone out there who seriously thinks this kind of out-of-state spending is a good thing? We prevent foreigners from contributing to federal elections in any significant manner, seems like the same priciple could apply to state elections. I think one could easily argue states have a compelling interest in limiting out-of-state funding.

The whole process is silly on the face of it. Why the hell should a duly elected Governor be faced with a recall vote if he has not been convicted or charged with any crime? Any elected official, of any party, should be allowed to serve out his term. If you don't like his policies, then you can throw the bum out at the next election.

 

[ExileOnDaytonStreet]

And is there anyone out there who seriously thinks this kind of out-of-state spending is a good thing? We prevent foreigners from contributing to federal elections in any significant manner, seems like the same priciple could apply to state elections. I think one could easily argue states have a compelling interest in limiting out-of-state funding.

Considering that one candidate will give us wild deficits while the other will fix the budget, but then play favorites in the state economy with tax break handouts to his buddies... I'm going to go out on a limb and say our economy can use all the outside cash it can get. We have job growth here, but it still lags behind other parts of the country.

 

[FreshFish]

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the latest poll seems like we may have a cliffhanger....Walker 50% Barrett 47%, and out-of-state union members have traveled to Wisconsin in droves to help "mobilize" the vote. Bad weather favors Barrett as union <strike>flacks</strike> folks will be ferrying people to the polling places all day (perhaps even to more than one?). I notice that they have same day registration...I wonder how many out-of-state union folk will become "residents" for a day?

I doubt the results will settle anything, next we'll be reading about allegations of voter fraud. I heard a news report on the radio that Eric Holder was going to travel to Wisconsin peronally to "supervise" potential cases of voter intimidation.

 

[unofan]

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BTW, this is one of the single dumbest and fairly reprehensible moves I've heard about in awhile...

http://www.jsonline.com/news/statep...set-off-some-neighbors-me5lip3-157049485.html

TL;DR version: A Democratic PAC got voter rolls for the last two elections and mailed flyers telling people which of their neighbors voted (or failed to vote) in previous elections. The flyer also included said persons' addresses.

Doesn't matter if such information is a public record, pulling a stunt like that can't do anything but harm you. Either you're rightfully accused of bullying/intimidation, or you drive people to the polls to vote against you out of spite.

 

[Gurtholfin]

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the latest poll seems like we may have a cliffhanger....Walker 50% Barrett 47%, and out-of-state union members have traveled to Wisconsin in droves to help "mobilize" the vote. Bad weather favors Barrett as union <strike>flacks</strike> folks will be ferrying people to the polling places all day (perhaps even to more than one?). I notice that they have same day registration...I wonder how many out-of-state union folk will become "residents" for a day?

I doubt the results will settle anything, next we'll be reading about allegations of voter fraud. I heard a news report on the radio that Eric Holder was going to travel to Wisconsin peronally to "supervise" potential cases of voter intimidation.

I know you guys can't help yourselves with this BS, but c'mon...

I believe that you do need an ID and some proof of address to register - a power bill or the like. Do you really believe, in your extreme paranoia, that thousands of people will come into state to falsely register and then cast 1 vote?

Grow up and try to think of something on your own that doesn't just parrot talking points.

 

[bronconick]

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.....wow. Just wow.

 

[Gurtholfin]

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As I voted today (the first time), as I was standing in a middle school gymnasium, the kids came over the PA with the Pledge.

Cool...

I always feel very patriotic when I vote.

 

[St. Clown]

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I know you guys can't help yourselves with this BS, but c'mon...

I believe that you do need an ID and some proof of address to register - a power bill or the like. Do you really believe, in your extreme paranoia, that thousands of people will come into state to falsely register and then cast 1 vote?

Grow up and try to think of something on your own that doesn't just parrot talking points.

Part of the problem with people out of state commenting on WI's recall election is that we don't necessarily understand your election laws. In MN, for example, voting does not require an ID, just a utility bill within the voting district.

There's been movement by the Republicans in MN (among other states, too, I've read) to require a state-issued ID, but it's being fought by Democrats as being unfair to poor and minority voters. Here's my contention against that opposition: anyone age of 18 and up in MN is required to keep a state issued ID on their person at all times when leaving their home. Since they're already required to have it on them, there should be no point of contention whatsoever.

 

[Bob Gray]

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Part of the problem with people out of state commenting on WI's recall election is that we don't necessarily understand your election laws. In MN, for example, voting does not require an ID, just a utility bill within the voting district.

There's been movement by the Republicans in MN (among other states, too, I've read) to require a state-issued ID, but it's being fought by Democrats as being unfair to poor and minority voters. Here's my contention against that opposition: anyone age of 18 and up in MN is required to keep a state issued ID on their person at all times when leaving their home. Since they're already required to have it on them, there should be no point of contention whatsoever.

Here in Arizona we've had these discussions and have been trying for awhile to require some form of ID to vote, and it's been widely called racist and worse.

 

[walrus]

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I doubt the results will settle anything, next we'll be reading about allegations of voter fraud. I heard a news report on the radio that Eric Holder was going to travel to Wisconsin peronally to "supervise" potential cases of voter intimidation.

I heard their were union goons at most polling places so he might have to look the other way in order to keep from alienating his(Obama's) donors

 

[joecct]

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....I believe that you do need an ID and some proof of address to register - a power bill or the like. Do you really believe, in your extreme paranoia, that thousands of people will come into state to falsely register and then cast 1 vote? ....

Yep. If there are no umpires, or the umpires are in on the fix, you can do anything.

And right now I think the unions are capable of anything. They've had years of experience rigging their own elections.

 

[FreshFish]

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I believe that you do need an ID and some proof of address to register - a power bill or the like. Do you really believe, in your extreme paranoia, that thousands of people will come into state to falsely register and then cast 1 vote?

Considering that it has already happened in Ohio in 2008, I'm merely being empirical.

The voter ID law in Wisconsin has not yet been implemented due to a court challenge, according to an article posted earlier today (or yesterday evening) on this thread.

 

[Rover]

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In MA, when you have toll booth collectors, MBTA bus Mechanics, Court clerks, school Janitors, MASSPORT secretaries, garbagemen, simple statehouse IT help desk clerks, etc making over $100K per year, then I think it's safe to say that public sector workers do better than those in the private sector.

This a bit of an erroneous simplification, although I'm sure that was your intent. The problem in MA isn't toll booth workers are making 100K a year or anybody else in your example. In fact most state workers making that kind of money are either UMass doctors or state police. The problem is state agency workers who have figured out how to scam the system in order to collect double pensions. Usually that means a spokesperson or a Mass transit department flunky gets a job at a state university or community college, and collects pensions from both. While a small % of the total, these professional grifters, which usually involve whole families on the state payroll, drive people nuts. Local unions would be far better served giving these people up instead of defending their clearly unethical motivations. Interestingly, GOP officeholders never go after these people once in office, most likely because they have their own flunkies to appoint. Instead they inexplicably target teachers unions.

Regarding Wisconsin, its simply a "get your voters to the polls" race right now. If unions can't do that, then so be it. What I was amused by was it took a weekend appearance by Bill Clinton who finally framed the issue in a concise statement even though this race has been building for a year. IIRC he said that electing Walker rewards the politics of divide and conquer. Agree with that or not, its still a succinct definition of the race that appears to have eluded the Dems up to this point. If they come up short one wonders if that sort of clear messaging would have made a difference had it occured earlier.

 

[Gurtholfin]

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Part of the problem with people out of state commenting on WI's recall election is that we don't necessarily understand your election laws. In MN, for example, voting does not require an ID, just a utility bill within the voting district.

There's been movement by the Republicans in MN (among other states, too, I've read) to require a state-issued ID, but it's being fought by Democrats as being unfair to poor and minority voters. Here's my contention against that opposition: anyone age of 18 and up in MN is required to keep a state issued ID on their person at all times when leaving their home. Since they're already required to have it on them, there should be no point of contention whatsoever.

I actually don't have a problem with requiring an ID of some sort to vote. At least in theory. Practice may be another thing...

My issue is that I find it VERY hard to believe that "Union Thugs" are coming into state with false documentation to register and then vote. It would take 1000s to even be significant and would be pretty obvious.

I heard all the tales of "Out of state Union Thugs" dominating the protests last year. I went to several of them, took hundreds of photos and you know what I saw? Families, teachers, old people, college & high school students... Didn't see busses from out of state - they'd have been kind of hard to hide if they had come in great numbers.

The right's blatant mis-representation of all things while calling it "news" is bad enough. The fact that so many who consider themselves intelligent take it as fact is even worse.

 

[Rover]

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Considering that it has already happened in Ohio in 2008, I'm merely being empirical.

Kindly site some evidence of this claim please.

 

[Bob Gray]

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I actually don't have a problem with requiring an ID of some sort to vote. At least in theory. Practice may be another thing...

My issue is that I find it VERY hard to believe that "Union Thugs" are coming into state with false documentation to register and then vote. It would take 1000s to even be significant and would be pretty obvious.

I heard all the tales of "Out of state Union Thugs" dominating the protests last year. I went to several of them, took hundreds of photos and you know what I saw? Families, teachers, old people, college & high school students... Didn't see busses from out of state - they'd have been kind of hard to hide if they had come in great numbers.

The right's blatant mis-representation of all things while calling it "news" is bad enough. The fact that so many who consider themselves intelligent take it as fact is even worse.

This would be challenging to do. I think it's a lot easier to go the traditional routes of having dead people vote, etc.