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Wisconsin vs Total Recall

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Not true. They didn't start out that way and have developped that sense of entitlement over time and instilled on on their children. So the following generations have a greater sense because they were brought up that way and have believed it for much longer.

I call b.s. on that one.

Millenials are sheltered little twerps on the whole, but they don't universally have the sense of entitlement or selfishness that Baby Boomers have. Millenials have no clue how to actually tough out a problem or take responsibility, but they also tend to be more giving and helping to their fellow man, IMO.
 
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I call b.s. on that one.

Millenials are sheltered little twerps on the whole, but they don't universally have the sense of entitlement or selfishness that Baby Boomers have. Millenials have no clue how to actually tough out a problem or take responsibility, but they also tend to be more giving and helping to their fellow man, IMO.

While I don't necessarily disagree, the nice thing about generational generalizations is the sample size is so enormous, it's possible to find huge numbers of statistically insignificant examples to support nearly any conclusion.
 
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It seems to me that calling any generation "entitled" is, well, kind of silly. the sense of entitlement cuts across generational lines.

We have hard-working people of humility and gratitude of all generations here.

I'd suggest that a sense of entitlement is a sort of developmental disorder....it's expected in children as part of their maturation process, but then people are supposed to grow out of it once they mature. There are powerful cultural forces from which stem great pressure for people permanently to remain in a state of adolescence and never to mature into adulthood, no matter how many years they live.


I have a title and outline for a book called The Idolatry of Me which I'll probably never have the time to flesh out. I'd identify three different strands that combine to give us such an expanded sense of entitlement in so much of the population.

> see Tibor Scitovsky's brilliant book, The Joyless Economy, for the backstory. Basically, a sense of entitlement grows from sophisticated marketing, "buy our product because you are special and deserve it." Marketers today shrewdly use pscychological insights to expand purchases of their products, and so a sense of entitlement is an outgrowth of a consumer-driven capitalist economy. People can never achieve satisfaction through consumption, and yet they have an inner yearning for something with which to fill their lives with meaning, and so they get stuck like the squirrel in the cage, running and running and running yet never getting anywhere....but they sure do look good doing it, no?

> the success of progressivism as a political movement. An "unintended consequence" of a praiseworthy impulse, taken beyond a reasonable level to an extreme that is now a serious problem for us all. We call it "entitlements" after all! I do not fault the generous and caring impulse of progressivism, in fact I share it. However, if you look at all our essential rights, they are all intangible: right to worship freely, right to speak freely and peacably assemble, right to jury of peers, etc. The only right to a tangible thing is the right to bear arms. It's great to say that people should have basic nutrition and basic shelter; the problem arose when we used government power to provide that to people. Once people discovered a "right" to be fed or a "right" to be housed, it removed the basic necessity of earning it, either through hard work or collaboration. is it any surprise that we now find a widespread sense of entitlement that cuts across generational lines, based on dependency rather than age?

> the influence of a subset of atheists (not all of them). They claim not to believe in a Deity, but they are fooling themselves, in fact they believe that they themselves are God and delight in self-worship...."look at me, look at me, look at me, aren't I wonderful? watch my reality show, read my blog, me, me, me!!!"
 
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Silly?

Have you honestly looked at what the Baby Boomers have done to this nation while they've held power and the purse strings? Have you honestly assessed what their "that's mine, give it to me" mentality has been on government entitlements? Every time someone talks about cutting Medicare and Social Security it's at the exclusion of the baby boomers.

I think your silly for not seeing the obvious.
 
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Ladies and Gentlemen, there's plenty of the sense of entitlement in this country to go around for all generations. Whether one generation or another has more is really immaterial, as it permeates and saturates every living generation in our country. The boomers just have more power, so their sense of entitlement is fulfilled to a greater extent than later generations that feel entitled, but don't have the political power and will inevitably have to pay for the entitlements past generations have bestowed on each other. Arguing about whether one generation or another has a little more sense of entitlement is akin to rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.
 
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Arguing about whether one generation or another has a little more sense of entitlement is akin to rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

True. It doesn't matter. I'm of the opinion that the boomer generation has been an amazing boon for society in terms of progress and the arts (movies, music, PC software apps) that will forever shape the US. But today's society is also swamped by them as they continue to have strong opinions...yet are becoming less productive.
 
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> the influence of a subset of atheists (not all of them). They claim not to believe in a Deity, but they are fooling themselves, in fact they believe that they themselves are God and delight in self-worship...."look at me, look at me, look at me, aren't I wonderful? watch my reality show, read my blog, me, me, me!!!"

Wow, that's a truly ridiculous statement.

You could easily rewrite this sentence and say it's the fault of theists, who claim to believe in a God but are really just worshipping their country, clan, or personal prejudices.

It has nothing to do with atheism or theism -- self-worshippers are exactly evenly distributed in both populations.

Insofar as entitlement has actually increased recently (which is doubtful considering that every generation in the history of man has thought the current generation is more selfish than its hard-working, modest, blah blah blah grandparents), it is most likely due to the natural intersection of democracy and the free market. Consumerism breeds selfishness. If you spend any time at all in a country that is not constantly ramming consumer garbage down your throat, you come back here and really notice that we have given over our entire public, and much of our private, space and mind to the almighty dollar.
 
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True. It doesn't matter. I'm of the opinion that the boomer generation has been an amazing boon for society in terms of progress and the arts (movies, music, PC software apps) that will forever shape the US. But today's society is also swamped by them as they continue to have strong opinions...yet are becoming less productive.
They certainly have done a lot of good stuff, but at the end of the day they've left a lot of huge messes, particularly financial, for future generations to clean up.
 
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They certainly have done a lot of good stuff, but at the end of the day they've left a lot of huge messes, particularly financial, for future generations to clean up.

They didn't save a dime. My grandchildren will be paying their bills. That's wrong. Whatever good they did is erased in my mind because of all the harm they did.
 
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They didn't save a dime. My grandchildren will be paying their bills. That's wrong. Whatever good they did is erased in my mind because of all the harm they did.
I agree that the financial ruin they are pushing upon future generations will one day dwarf the positive things they did. When you're bankrupt, a lot of other stuff doesn't seem so important.
 
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I agree that the financial ruin they are pushing upon future generations will one day dwarf the positive things they did. When you're bankrupt, a lot of other stuff doesn't seem so important.

I don't know. I think by and large they'll be seen as positive...primarily cause of the positive changes that are easier to tie back to specific people of that generation (ie, a Steve Jobs).
 
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I don't know. I think by and large they'll be seen as positive...primarily cause of the positive changes that are easier to tie back to specific people of that generation (ie, a Steve Jobs).
People won't care that much about their ipads and all so much when they can't get a job, taxes have skyrocketed, government services have shrivelled, and the federal budget largely goes to pay off the crushing debt.
 
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People won't care that much about their ipads and all so much when they can't get a job, taxes have skyrocketed, government services have shrivelled, and the federal budget largely goes to pay off the crushing debt.
I would agree with...OOOOOO - LOOK! ANGRY BIRDS SPACE!!!!!!!
 
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Just like most people. A very liberal friend facebook posted a scare-mongering piece the other day about reproductive health issues asking, "Do you want the government making your health care decisions?" I thought it was pretty hilarious, considering how vociferously she argued for Obamacare (and how strongly she would actually prefer single-payer). So in fact, the answer is, "Yes, she does want the government making health care decisions - so as long as the government is making decisions that she agrees with."

Horse-hockey. One is telling you which foods you must eat, the other is simply telling you to eat period. It's not similar. (btw I am against Obamacare but this poor analogy is not why ;)).
 
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Silly?

Have you honestly looked at what the Baby Boomers have done to this nation while they've held power and the purse strings? Have you honestly assessed what their "that's mine, give it to me" mentality has been on government entitlements? Every time someone talks about cutting Medicare and Social Security it's at the exclusion of the baby boomers.

I think your silly for not seeing the obvious.

I get the feeling most if not all of the people defending the Boomers are Boomers themselves.
 
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I get the feeling most if not all of the people defending the Boomers are Boomers themselves.
I don't see a whole lot of defending the boomers. But, why worry about defending yourselves when you wield the political power they do. You crush any politician threatening your benefits, and people learn not to mess with you or yours.
 
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I don't see a whole lot of defending the boomers. But, why worry about defending yourselves when you wield the political power they do. You crush any politician threatening your benefits, and people learn not to mess with you or yours.

Exactly. They've decided how things are going to work and there's nothing anyone can do about it.
 
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I get the feeling most if not all of the people defending the Boomers are Boomers themselves.

I'm more gen x than boomer and do see the financial hole we're in. But I see much of the US position vis a vis the world as driven by progress by developing countries and not deterioration of the US.

Excepting some bad decisions during the last decade, I also get the contributions to society, cuture and technology from 1965 on...which were probably the greatest this country has yet seen.

So no, I don't see the boomers as 'all bad'.
 
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