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Wisconsin Recruiting Vol. XXX: 1 All American at a Time

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I hope it doesn't have to do with the performance thus far, it is only 6 games. That would say a lot about the character of a projected first round player.[/QUOTE


It has to be looked at in context of a high end forward who is potentially a 1st round NHL pick. There are four points I would look at if I was that kid:

1. Eaves system heavy offense that often employs neutral zone traps and heavy dump and chase offense.

2. Take a look at the current anemic team that we have put on the ice, and how that may become part of his future.

3. Watch a Minnesota game and pay attention to how the offense flows and how the opportunities to expand your offensive talents in that system will project to the NHL.

4. Which program at this point offers a greater chance to get to the Frozen Four?
 
Re: Wisconsin Recruiting Vol. XXX: 1 All American at a Time

I hope it doesn't have to do with the performance thus far, it is only 6 games. That would say a lot about the character of a projected first round player.[/QUOTE


It has to be looked at in context of a high end forward who is potentially a 1st round NHL pick. There are four points I would look at if I was that kid:

1. Eaves system heavy offense that often employs neutral zone traps and heavy dump and chase offense.

2. Take a look at the current anemic team that we have put on the ice, and how that may become part of his future.

3. Watch a Minnesota game and pay attention to how the offense flows and how the opportunities to expand your offensive talents in that system will project to the NHL.

4. Which program at this point offers a greater chance to get to the Frozen Four?



5. Which program at this point has more former players currently playing in the NHL?
 
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5. Which program at this point has more former players currently playing in the NHL?
Last I checked the Gophers had more points and the count was getting close (since somehow Stu Bickel played a game for the Wild).
 
Re: Wisconsin Recruiting Vol. XXX: 1 All American at a Time

3. Watch a Minnesota game

4. Which program at this point offers a greater chance to get to the Frozen Four?

First, no. Second, although I can't think of any off hand, logic dictates somehow there must be some good points to playing for tDon, otherwise no one would subject themselves to being a goofer. I'll credit you 1/2 point there.

If a Boeser is one and done, well, frankly I don't think it's all that big of a deal either way, but assuming he'd play at least two years, I'd suspect with 15 or more pretty good upperclassmen and a handful of super youngsters coming in, Bucky is going to project as good as anybody in the country by his sophomore season.
 
First, no. Second, although I can't think of any off hand, logic dictates somehow there must be some good points to playing for tDon, otherwise no one would subject themselves to being a goofer. I'll credit you 1/2 point there.

If a Boeser is one and done, well, frankly I don't think it's all that big of a deal either way, but assuming he'd play at least two years, I'd suspect with 15 or more pretty good upperclassmen and a handful of super youngsters coming in, Bucky is going to project as good as anybody in the country by his sophomore season.

Doubtful Boeser will be a one-and-done, regardless of where he ends up. Two-and-done, likely. At most a three-and-done, absolutely.

I'd put him in the same camp as a Nic Kerdiles/Hudson Fasching.
 
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Doubtful Boeser will be a one-and-done, regardless of where he ends up. Two-and-done, likely. At most a three-and-done, absolutely.

I'd put him in the same camp as a Nic Kerdiles/Hudson Fasching.

Right, the point being that 1 of 2, or 2 of 3 of his years, (on paper at least) the Badgers would look like a deep run would be possible with next year being anyone's guess. Thus the likelyhood of a FF appearance is probably as good/better here as anywhere. Unless he only plays one year, which would seem unlikely.
 
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I can't imagine that a potential recruit would look at either UW or Minnesota as superior or inferior in terms of a path to the NHL.

To me they're the same - other than the life-long agony of being a former Gopher should you make the wrong choice. :p


Just ask Philip.
 
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5. Which program at this point has more former players currently playing in the NHL?

To me, this focus has always been one of the most overrated and flawed arguments that fans make when hyping up their favorite program. It is one thing when you take kids that are raw and not much of a prospect when they enter into college and the coaching turns him into an NHL player. It is entirely different when you are just recruiting high end kids that are likely going to make the NHL no matter where they attend.

Is there much doubt that kids like Kessel, Erik Johnson, Okposo, Kerdiles, McDonagh, Turris, Toews, Parise, Vanek and many others of that ilk would have made the NHL via just about any decent program?

I don't blame fans for being proud of their alums that make it in the pros but the idea that somehow it is in large part due to their program (and therefore that is worthy of using as a big selling point to prospects) is often as about as ridiculous as it gets. These teams help but let's not act like they are the big reason most of these high end kids make it to the pros. (and yes... I know programs themselves are guilty of this same hype).

No matter what school Boeser ends up at, he's going to have a very good chance of seeing ice time in the NHL if he continues to work hard.
 
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To me, this focus has always been one of the most overrated and flawed arguments that fans make when hyping up their favorite program. It is one thing when you take kids that are raw and not much of a prospect when they enter into college and the coaching turns him into an NHL player. It is entirely different when you are just recruiting high end kids that are likely going to make the NHL no matter where they attend.

Is there much doubt that kids like Kessel, Erik Johnson, Okposo, Kerdiles, McDonagh, Turris, Toews, Parise, Vanek and many others of that ilk would have made the NHL via just about any decent program?

I don't blame fans for being proud of their alums that make it in the pros but the idea that somehow it is in large part due to their program (and therefore that is worthy of using as a big selling point to prospects) is often as about as ridiculous as it gets. These teams help but let's not act like they are the big reason most of these high end kids make it to the pros. (and yes... I know programs themselves are guilty of this same hype).

No matter what school Boeser ends up at, he's going to have a very good chance of seeing ice time in the NHL if he continues to work hard.


Xactly.
 
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Just ask Philip.

Occasionally, and here I mean when he's off alone; not in front of the cameras or reporters or the like... you can catch a brief glimpse of that '1000 yard stare' in his eyes and ...man, you just know... Some mistakes haunt you for a lifetime.
 
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If a Boeser is one and done, well, frankly I don't think it's all that big of a deal either way, but assuming he'd play at least two years, I'd suspect with 15 or more pretty good upperclassmen and a handful of super youngsters coming in, Bucky is going to project as good as anybody in the country by his sophomore season.

Doubt he is a one and done. Highly doubt it

The issue is does a young player want to gamble on what ifs a few years away or does he want to go with what he can see in the present tense? Most young people are not long term strategic thinkers.

No doubt what you say about UW is possible. But the same can be said for other possibilities... and those possibilities are in better shape right now too. You have to consider that in the equation.
 
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Doubt he is a one and done. Highly doubt it

The issue is does a young player want to gamble on what ifs a few years away or does he want to go with what he can see in the present tense? Most young people are not long term strategic thinkers.

No doubt what you say about UW is possible. But the same can be said for other possibilities... and those possibilities are in better shape right now too. You have to consider that in the equation.


Aha! So you agree with my earlier proposition that MTU is now the front runner!

Honestly we're all mostly just speculating for or against a particular school. Could be just as likely that he has developed personal reasons for wanting to play closer to home. The tragedy involving his high school friends, or something else, for example. As has been pointed out, should he continue to work hard, he's probably got a career ahead of him regardless where he goes. Unless it's MJ's. Then he's doomed, of course.
 
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Aha! So you agree with my earlier proposition that MTU is now the front runner!

Honestly we're all mostly just speculating for or against a particular school. Could be just as likely that he has developed personal reasons for wanting to play closer to home. The tragedy involving his high school friends, or something else, for example. As has been pointed out, should he continue to work hard, he's probably got a career ahead of him regardless where he goes. Unless it's MJ's. Then he's doomed, of course.

It could be as simple as he realized he wants to play closer to home, while he still has the chance to decide where he plays. Burnsville to Houghton is just over 6 hours, Tech might be out of luck on this one. I am going with Kato or UW River Falls as front runners.
 
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Boeser's reason for backing out of UW is all coming together now. He is going to ASU.
 
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And speaking of Auston Matthews, he's basically the reason I took a swing at don Granato's pay scale. Somewhere I read a list of five or so schools he might be interested in attending and Wisco wasn't on the list. He doesn't have to come here, but at least get us some air time for crying out loud.
 
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And speaking of Auston Matthews, he's basically the reason I took a swing at don Granato's pay scale. Somewhere I read a list of five or so schools he might be interested in attending and Wisco wasn't on the list. He doesn't have to come here, but at least get us some air time for crying out loud.

I'm assuming you're referring to this article I wrote?
 
Re: Wisconsin Recruiting Vol. XXX: 1 All American at a Time

And speaking of Auston Matthews, he's basically the reason I took a swing at don Granato's pay scale. Somewhere I read a list of five or so schools he might be interested in attending and Wisco wasn't on the list. He doesn't have to come here, but at least get us some air time for crying out loud.

I agree with your position here. One would think Don Granato's resume would get Matthew's to look at UW...Of course Don couldn't come out and advocate for UW I don't think w/out risking being fired...

that said...I wonder if Don would consider coming Madison to coach? I think he'd be a kick *** replacement for Eaves.
 
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