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Wisconsin Offseason '10: The Aftermath

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solovsfett said:
I completely understand your sentiment on the 2011 forward class, and in part agree with you. But there is also a part of me that says...that class is as unknown and befuddling to me as the class of Bendickson, Bombach, Grotting, Davies, Geoffrion. Sure Blake was expected to be good or great, and maybe Davies, but the other 3???

here's to hoping.

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Eaves' track record speaks for itself at this point, and he's never hired a bad assistant so I feel like Schu and Butters will help these kids grow just like Ward, Hynes, Oseicki, Patrick et al before them.

I may be slightly exaggerating figuring on 6-7th place next season, but even if that's where they end up, the future is bright. 2012 class could be the class that puts the icing on the NCAA title cake in their first 2 years in Madison
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You make a good point, what I was trying to say is that the Badgers need someone who can contribute IMMEDIATELY. I don't doubt that all of those kids will be good players in the long run, as I see a lot of 4 year guys. I wish there was someone Eaves had as a 2010 or 2011 that was more ready, who he originally had to ask to wait.

As freshman, what did Grotting, Bendi, the Bohmber or even Geoffrion or Davies do? All those guys pulled it together and started to contribute as sophomores in a significant way (not always on the score sheet, but they made an impact), but it took a season to adjust. Maybe it doesn't matter who they bring in, the same thing could/will happen.

I think 6th/7th is a real possibility. North Dakota, St Cloud and Duluth all have great teams coming back. Denver is still strong and minnesota can't continue to **** that much talent away and lose (well there is Wangas in net...).
 
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aktick said:
Yes!!! FU EODS. ;) FU uwbadgers14! ;)

Love it...
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Meh. The lesser of two evils won. My blinding hatred of Pronger and Hartnell is somehow stronger than my blinding hatred of the legacy of Bill Wirtz and every single thing about Chicago sports.

I won't go so far as to say this was like watching the Gophers and (Artists formerly known as) Sioux battle it out for the NCAA title, but it was close.
 
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ExileOnDaytonStreet said:
Meh. The lesser of two evils won. My blinding hatred of Pronger and Hartnell is somehow stronger than my blinding hatred of the legacy of Bill Wirtz and every single thing about Chicago sports.

I won't go so far as to say this was like watching the Gophers and (Artists formerly known as) Sioux battle it out for the NCAA title, but it was close.
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On the ice after the game, Rocky Wirtz was asked what his dad would've thought..."I'm just not sure if he'd say give a mulligan for 6 and finish it at home in game 7." :p
 
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OK, as much as I hated the title of this thread, maybe it is <A HREF="http://www.google.com/images?um=1&hl=en&rls=com.microsoft:en-us&tbs=isch:1&q=aftermath&sa=N&start=0&ndsp=20">appropriate</A> after all.
 
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So, do you think someone at UWBadgers.com could add a photo of Adam hoisting the cup or are they all in Barry's office writing the Nebraska media release? Let's face it, happy Badger hockey news is needed today.
 
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On Nebraska:

I still can't believe this. Of all the schools they could've picked, isn't Nebraska the least prestigious? I know that football $$$$ is eventually the driving force here, but I was still convinced that academic integrity had something to do with it.

Shoot, even Mizzou would've been a better pick than Nebraska.
 
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I hope at least Bucky returns next season to be our mascot so there is one familiar face at the Kohl Center.

In all seriousness, I was never as optimistic as others about Stepan returning. I just had a feeling they'd make a strong play for him. At least it wasn't on the eve of training camp and they can consider some options.
 
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ExileOnDaytonStreet said:
On Nebraska:

I still can't believe this. Of all the schools they could've picked, isn't Nebraska the least prestigious? I know that football $$$$ is eventually the driving force here, but I was still convinced that academic integrity had something to do with it.

Shoot, even Mizzou would've been a better pick than Nebraska.
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IMHO, NE makes more sense than MO because MO has nothing to bring to the table (other than the large TV markets) and NE has FB, which is king. UND makes WAY more sense, then you'd have enough for the B10 Hockey Conference.

I think it's funny how the B10 thought they were in control of expansion, then the Pac16, jumps in quickly and pulls the tablecloth out from under Delany. NE knew they were going to get dumped by the TX/OK teams for the PAC16, so they had to make their move now, which also screwed up Delany. And FU Delany for ignoring college hockey.

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I'm not at all worried about the D if McD leaves, they will have plenty of quality D to play 3 pairs.

Jr Gardiner
So Schultz
Sr Johnson
So Little
So Rammer
Jr Springer
Fr Drake
Fr Simonelli

There's 6 players with D1 experience and the top 4 are quality players.

On the F side, 1st Star, Lee, Smith are top end talent.
Guys who should have breakout type years are Murray and Turnbull.
Barnes has very good USHL #'s. He should be a 35 pt guy, like Smith was this year.

The big problem is there's only 2 lines of guys with experience, which leaves the other 2 lines with an untested or Fr.

The line combos are going to be very interesting to say the least.

Outlook for season....I don't think 5th place is out of the question. Very experienced goaltending and D, not so experienced F but with talented guys in the mix.
 
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MadCityRich said:
Oh-oh! (Bad move, Bur. You can't win the tale of the tape.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJLvCM4j2mg
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Haha, yeah, luckily he won't see Pronger often. And he might have a shot if he goes the cheap route - and Pronger is one of only a few in the league I wouldn't mind getting a cheap shot.

Despite the first 2 championship games of "our" teams being heartbreaking (US losing to Canada for Gold, UW losing to BC), how lucky have we been this year? As Hawks fans, Wisconsin fans, and obviously US fans, the last few months have been something else. You almost start taking it for granted when they just keep making the finals.
 
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aktick said:
Haha, yeah, luckily he won't see Pronger often. And he might have a shot if he goes the cheap route - and Pronger is one of only a few in the league I wouldn't mind getting a cheap shot.

Despite the first 2 championship games of "our" teams being heartbreaking (US losing to Canada for Gold, UW losing to BC), how lucky have we been this year? As Hawks fans, Wisconsin fans, and obviously US fans, the last few months have been something else. You almost start taking it for granted when they just keep making the finals.
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My son's hockey team, of which I am a coach, won State also. I need to pinch myself, but I'm afraid I'll wake up.

The WJC was so much fun.
 
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MadCityRich said:
Oh-oh! (Bad move, Bur. You can't win the tale of the tape.)
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It's not like Pronger is likely to fight anyway. He'll just spear Burr when he thinks the refs aren't looking or maybe try and rob Adam's locker.

Funny how Pronger looked VERY average once the refs started calling some of his cheating. He's an all time tool.

Gotta love Adam Burish. NHL hockey has lost most of the personality that it once had. Adam's a throwback.
 
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Timothy A said:
IMHO, NE makes more sense than MO because MO has nothing to bring to the table (other than the large TV markets) and NE has FB, which is king. UND makes WAY more sense, then you'd have enough for the B10 Hockey Conference.

I think it's funny how the B10 thought they were in control of expansion, then the Pac16, jumps in quickly and pulls the tablecloth out from under Delany. NE knew they were going to get dumped by the TX/OK teams for the PAC16, so they had to make their move now, which also screwed up Delany. And FU Delany for ignoring college hockey.

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I'm not at all worried about the D if McD leaves, they will have plenty of quality D to play 3 pairs.

Jr Gardiner
So Schultz
Sr Johnson
So Little
So Rammer
Jr Springer
Fr Drake
Fr Simonelli

There's 6 players with D1 experience and the top 4 are quality players.

On the F side, 1st Star, Lee, Smith are top end talent.
Guys who should have breakout type years are Murray and Turnbull.
Barnes has very good USHL #'s. He should be a 35 pt guy, like Smith was this year.

The big problem is there's only 2 lines of guys with experience, which leaves the other 2 lines with an untested or Fr.

The line combos are going to be very interesting to say the least.

Outlook for season....I don't think 5th place is out of the question. Very experienced goaltending and D, not so experienced F but with talented guys in the mix.
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I think the team will be a lot like the 2006/07 team. Good goaltending (though that team had GREAT goaltending) a solid D (though I'd say the 2010/11 version is better) and an immense lack of experience at forward (though Joudrey and Dowell were great senior leaders this team doesn't have, and Dowell had a lot of talent).

Not having seen Springer/Little/Johnson play on the blue line is basically an entire season, both excites me and worries me. Excited because a year of practice couldn't have hurt, but worried that to start the season they could have issues in the game setting which is nothing like practice.

At forward, I'd throw out these lines:

Murray/Smith/Turnbull
Clark/1st Star/Lee
Mersch/Dolan/Barnes
Johnson/Dahl/Little or Meuer

One thing the forwards lack most is leadership. Murray is the only upperclassmen returning who has filled the box score a decent amount last season. The seniors are lacking big time in offense. Dolan is a great 3rd line center, but Turnbull and Johnson have underperformed IMO. I wouldn't say they are untested though, I just think that until/if the lines gel that the team could struggle mightly to score some goals.

Stumble out of the gate, by the 2nd half pull it together and make a run for WCHA home ice and an NCAA berth. I think it is realistic, but the freshman will have to contribute at forward or the team will suffer.

Losing Stepan also means the team lost their best three centerman from last season, and I think that is significant as well. Guys will step up, but again early season struggles.

The schedule is favorable. The non-con w/ UAH, Canisius and UMASS help, no road trip to North Dakota, and four games against Tech.
 
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Chuck Schwartz said:
We didn't have our cupboards raided as bad as Denver? Have ya seen who we've lost this offseason? Denvers losses don't hold a candle to ours.
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Sorry, but I'd still give the edge to Denver. Cheverie, Colborne, Ruegsegger, Rakhshani, Wiercioch. Nobody else in the country had five guys that talented, and they lose all five of them at once, along with four other seniors who were all contributing players, all playing at least 28 games.
 
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who are these idiots who post on the noalibis response page?

Seriously, if Eaves was angry at Stepan and told him so, don't you think that would hurt the chances of landing Z. Step? I do. Eaves is smart enough not to jeopardize that I feel.

and let's face it. Many, and I'd argue most, coaches have favorites and guys who never seem to leave the doghouse.

go over to ratpride on ice and you'll hear all about tony luciapet, etc.

good grief
 
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SCSU Euro said:
Sorry, but I'd still give the edge to Denver. Cheverie, Colborne, Ruegsegger, Rakhshani, Wiercioch. Nobody else in the country had five guys that talented, and they lose all five of them at once, along with four other seniors who were all contributing players, all playing at least 28 games.
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No offense, but you are insane. A tie MAYBE, but no way they get the "edge."

Blake Geoffrion - HOBEY BAKER, 1st Team All American, 1st Team WCHA
Brenda Smith - Hobey Finalist, 1st Team All American, 1st Team WCHA, led all defensemen in scoring in the country
Derek Stepan - no "honors" to speak of other than he led the Badgers in scoring and lead the USA to a gold at the WJC as Captain
Ryan McDonagh - 2nd Team WCHA and arguably the best all around blue liner in the country (I'm assuming he's gone at this point)
Cody Goloubef - an very underrated blue liner who doesn't make mistakes and will have a long NHL career.

Two 1st round picks, three 2nd round picks.

I realize how talented that group from Denver is, but UW still has the #1 talent depletion to graduation/early signings.

That doesn't mention six seniors who played every night and were critical to the run to the finals. Michael Davies already signed a pro contract, and I put him up against Ruegsegger in talent. That makes six. Street, Bohmbach, Bendickson, all key pieces the team will sorely miss.

Not even close when you add those six players in.
 
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solovsfett said:
who are these idiots who post on the noalibis response page? good grief
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It's easy to hide behind the "anonymous" moniker.

STANLEY CUP QUESTION: I was watching a live stream of the rally/parade in Chicago. Before the Blackhawks were introduced, many Rockford members were introduced including Skille & Dowell. Were they just included as team members or will they be engraved on The Cup?

The estimated crowd was over 2 million people! Holy ****!!
 
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MadCityRich said:
It's easy to hide behind the "anonymous" moniker.

STANLEY CUP QUESTION: I was watching a live stream of the rally/parade in Chicago. Before the Blackhawks were introduced, many Rockford members were introduced including Skille & Dowell. Were they just included as team members or will they be engraved on The Cup?

The estimated crowd was over 2 million people! Holy ****!!
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They will not get their names on the cup.
 
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