Wisconsin Hockey XXXVI: Stop looking for the silver lining and ignoring the problem!!

[BuB]

Re: Wisconsin Hockey XXXVI: Stop looking for the silver lining and ignoring the probl

Hey, look, hockey is in the newspaper. About time the program's downturn has been highlighted. Side note: no idea how Kelsey still has a job either.

Well, at least someone in the press is making of note of what is going on. This has to help the effort in trying to replace Coach Eaves. Do you think we would lose any of our recruits for next year should Eaves be let go? I know the greater good says "who cares, we have to get rid of him for the long term", and I agree - but does anyone know of we would lose any recruits that are potentially coming in for 2016-17 and/or beyond?

 

[solovsfett]

Re: Wisconsin Hockey XXXVI: Stop looking for the silver lining and ignoring the probl

Hey, look, hockey is in the newspaper. About time the program's downturn has been highlighted. Side note: no idea how Kelsey still has a job either.

It's about **** time someone at the State Journal talks about this.

But I have to say...if they average 11,000 fans per home game(sometime in the future under a new coach and they're winning) and make only $1,400,000 just where is all of the money going? Is it THAT prohibitively expensive to maintain the KC for hockey? Am I missing something?

 

[WiscTJK]

Re: Wisconsin Hockey XXXVI: Stop looking for the silver lining and ignoring the probl

It's about **** time someone at the State Journal talks about this.

But I have to say...if they average 11,000 fans per home game(sometime in the future under a new coach and they're winning) and make only $1,400,000 just where is all of the money going? Is it THAT prohibitively expensive to maintain the KC for hockey? Am I missing something?

Based on the net from last year being like $38k, hockey is not a revenue sport this year and is negative. Costs must be extremely high then. I am shocked at that.

And reading the comments and call for Mark Johnson, I love Mark, but I don't think he would be the right hire. He hasn't recruited for men's hockey in 15 years, plus he has a great thing going with the gals. I think just about all of the guys talked about on here would be better than Mark. I even think I would consider the St Norbert coach Coghlin.

 

[Timothy A]

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And reading the comments and call for Mark Johnson, I love Mark, but I don't think he would be the right hire. He hasn't recruited for men's hockey in 15 years, plus he has a great thing going with the gals. I think just about all of the guys talked about on here would be better than Mark. I even think I would consider the St Norbert coach Coghlin.

1000% agree.

 

[Red_Rob]

Re: Wisconsin Hockey XXXVI: Stop looking for the silver lining and ignoring the probl

It's about **** time someone at the State Journal talks about this.

But I have to say...if they average 11,000 fans per home game(sometime in the future under a new coach and they're winning) and make only $1,400,000 just where is all of the money going? Is it THAT prohibitively expensive to maintain the KC for hockey? Am I missing something?

looking at my taxes, i made more than the hockey team did last year. (not that I am rolling in it, or 38K is all that much when looking at median income.)

 

[Wisko McBadgerton]

Re: Wisconsin Hockey XXXVI: Stop looking for the silver lining and ignoring the probl

And reading the comments and call for Mark Johnson, I love Mark, but I don't think he would be the right hire. He hasn't recruited for men's hockey in 15 years, plus he has a great thing going with the gals. I think just about all of the guys talked about on here would be better than Mark. I even think I would consider the St Norbert coach Coghlin.

I haven't really seen anything at this point to indicate that Magic even wants the job, (not that there would be anything, I suppose) but assuming Eaves is fired and Mark applied for the job, politically speaking, it may put the University in a difficult position. Mark has meant a great deal to the University and would surely have a large number of supporters. Additionally, people like yourself who would prefer to go in another direction, still love Mark and would almost certainly support him once he was actually in the job. It's probably a political win from the perspective of the majority of the fan base in the near term vs. publicly saying no for a second time to the very popular Olympic hero and logical heir to the Badger Bob legacy at Wisconsin, which may very well throw an additional wrench in the already divided and disgruntled fan base.

Considering Women's Associate HC Dan Koch was just named the ACHA Women's Assistant Coach of the Year, we could surmise he may be offered a HC job somewhere in the near future. Possibly it could be at Wisconsin?

I really wonder if Mark were to ask for the job, just how the AD would go about saying no again. They certainly could, but given the general lack of prowess in handling PR in the hockey department over the last several years, I don't anticipate it would go smoothly.

 

[WiscTJK]

Re: Wisconsin Hockey XXXVI: Stop looking for the silver lining and ignoring the probl

I haven't really seen anything at this point to indicate that Magic even wants the job, (not that there would be anything, I suppose) but assuming Eaves is fired and Mark applied for the job, politically speaking, it may put the University in a difficult position. Mark has meant a great deal to the University and would surely have a large number of supporters. Additionally, people like yourself who would prefer to go in another direction, still love Mark and would almost certainly support him once he was actually in the job. It's probably a political win from the perspective of the majority of the fan base in the near term vs. publicly saying no for a second time to the very popular Olympic hero and logical heir to the Badger Bob legacy at Wisconsin, which may very well throw an additional wrench in the already divided and disgruntled fan base.

Considering Women's Associate HC Dan Koch was just named the ACHA Women's Assistant Coach of the Year, we could surmise he may be offered a HC job somewhere in the near future. Possibly it could be at Wisconsin?

I really wonder if Mark were to ask for the job, just how the AD would go about saying no again. They certainly could, but given the general lack of prowess in handling PR in the hockey department over the last several years, I don't anticipate it would go smoothly.

I'll take the Bo Ryan of hockey before Mark, but I agree with you it puts Barry in a tough spot if he wants it. http://www.snc.edu/athletics/profiles/tim.coghlin.html

 

[Timothy A]

Re: Wisconsin Hockey XXXVI: Stop looking for the silver lining and ignoring the probl

I haven't really seen anything at this point to indicate that Magic even wants the job, (not that there would be anything, I suppose) but assuming Eaves is fired and Mark applied for the job, politically speaking, it may put the University in a difficult position. Mark has meant a great deal to the University and would surely have a large number of supporters. Additionally, people like yourself who would prefer to go in another direction, still love Mark and would almost certainly support him once he was actually in the job. It's probably a political win from the perspective of the majority of the fan base in the near term vs. publicly saying no for a second time to the very popular Olympic hero and logical heir to the Badger Bob legacy at Wisconsin, which may very well throw an additional wrench in the already divided and disgruntled fan base.

Considering Women's Associate HC Dan Koch was just named the ACHA Women's Assistant Coach of the Year, we could surmise he may be offered a HC job somewhere in the near future. Possibly it could be at Wisconsin?

I really wonder if Mark were to ask for the job, just how the AD would go about saying no again. They certainly could, but given the general lack of prowess in handling PR in the hockey department over the last several years, I don't anticipate it would go smoothly.

MJ flirted with the PSU job in 2011. I don't know if he was ever offered the job.

MJ is pushing 60, I'd like a younger guy who would be around for 10-15 years, not that MJ can't pull a Red, but you never know.

I don't think it would be too hard for BA to say in a press conference that he hires someone else to say that MJ had applied, and was considered, but it was felt that with his being away from the men's game for too long (lacking the recruiting network and the lay of the land) and with the success of the women's program that he is a better fit/is more valuable to the university where he is at.

 

[WiscDC]

Re: Wisconsin Hockey XXXVI: Stop looking for the silver lining and ignoring the probl

Does anyone else remember that graphic that was floating around when the Big Ten hockey conference started that showed the total revenues and expenses for the 6 programs? I remember Wisconsin's expenses being a few million more than most of the other programs, and I think OSU also had higher costs. Wisconsin's revenues, of course, were at or near the top as well (I don't remember how it compared to Minnesota). I remember most people on this board speculated that it was due to the construction of LaBahn Arena.

I looked back at the Annual Report from last year, and it doesn't go into specifics (i.e. divided by sport). It only has the projected and actual revenues and expenses.

 

[Badger Booster]

Re: Wisconsin Hockey XXXVI: Stop looking for the silver lining and ignoring the probl

I really wonder if Mark were to ask for the job, just how the AD would go about saying no again. They certainly could, but given the general lack of prowess in handling PR in the hockey department over the last several years, I don't anticipate it would go smoothly.

Considering that the Alvarez/King combo didn't make the men's hockey coaching decision back in 2002, I don't think they would have a problem not hiring Coach Johnson if they want to go a different direction.

 

[GBBadger14]

Based on the net from last year being like $38k, hockey is not a revenue sport this year and is negative. Costs must be extremely high then. I am shocked at that.

And reading the comments and call for Mark Johnson, I love Mark, but I don't think he would be the right hire. He hasn't recruited for men's hockey in 15 years, plus he has a great thing going with the gals. I think just about all of the guys talked about on here would be better than Mark. I even think I would consider the St Norbert coach Coghlin.

My guess is that travel costs have shot up since B1G hockey began. They essentially have to fly for every conference road weekend now, plus more non cons means more travel outside of the typical WCHA hockey footprint (Boston, Ferris). I think I saw something last month that showed Minnesota's profits/expenses over the last 5 years or so and since joining the big ten started, their expenses have shot up as well. The gophers have essentially gone from being able to bus to, what, 80% of their road games, to having to fly to quite possibly a majority of them now.

 

[KaMiGo]

Re: Wisconsin Hockey XXXVI: Stop looking for the silver lining and ignoring the probl

My guess is that travel costs have shot up since B1G hockey began. They essentially have to fly for every conference road weekend now, plus more non cons means more travel outside of the typical WCHA hockey footprint (Boston, Ferris). I think I saw something last month that showed Minnesota's profits/expenses over the last 5 years or so and since joining the big ten started, their expenses have shot up as well. The gophers have essentially gone from being able to bus to, what, 80% of their road games, to having to fly to quite possibly a majority of them now.

Does anyone know which schools were bus vs plane?

 

[WiscDC]

Re: Wisconsin Hockey XXXVI: Stop looking for the silver lining and ignoring the probl

My guess is that travel costs have shot up since B1G hockey began. They essentially have to fly for every conference road weekend now, plus more non cons means more travel outside of the typical WCHA hockey footprint (Boston, Ferris). I think I saw something last month that showed Minnesota's profits/expenses over the last 5 years or so and since joining the big ten started, their expenses have shot up as well. The gophers have essentially gone from being able to bus to, what, 80% of their road games, to having to fly to quite possibly a majority of them now.

Great point. The number of flights versus bus rides has almost certainly increased.

 

[Almington]

Great point. The number of flights versus bus rides has almost certainly increased.

IIRC, Flights were cc, du, and uaa in the old WCHA for MN. UW may have had one or two additional flights.

 

[GBBadger14]

IIRC, Flights were cc, du, and uaa in the old WCHA for MN. UW may have had one or two additional flights.

True, but how often did they make all three of those trips in one season? Especially when the WCHA got up to 12 teams?

My guess is they're guaranteed to make at least 4 flights a year now.

 

[MadCityRich]

Re: Wisconsin Hockey XXXVI: Stop looking for the silver lining and ignoring the probl

The hockey program took quite an extended beating on 1670 The Zone yesterday morning during The Joe & Ebo Show (8 to 11 AM I believe). I even heard some guy named Rich on the air. That's at least the second time it's been brought up in the past couple weeks. Heads are turning.

Even this morning on WIBA AM during the Lucas and Dawson show (minus Lucas) the program was getting bad air. Brian Posick was on and was understandably treading very lightly. Dawson and Robb Vogel were more outspoken.

I'm pretty sure sure this is coming to a head in 28 days, 8 hours, 22 minutes and 0 seconds as I type.

 

[srkbadger]

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Does anyone know which schools were bus vs plane?

Went to the Saturday Ferris game in Big Rapids, the Badger bus was in the lot. They drove.

 

[Wisko McBadgerton]

Re: Wisconsin Hockey XXXVI: Stop looking for the silver lining and ignoring the probl

Went to the Saturday Ferris game in Big Rapids, the Badger bus was in the lot. They drove.

This bus or similar?


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Because this one's in Boston. It's a common practice to send buses to transport teams for the weekend wherever they are. I don't know if they flew to Ferris or not but the bus would likely be there either way.

 

[Wisko McBadgerton]

Re: Wisconsin Hockey XXXVI: Stop looking for the silver lining and ignoring the probl

The hockey program took quite an extended beating on 1670 The Zone yesterday morning during The Joe & Ebo Show (8 to 11 AM I believe). I even heard some guy named Rich on the air. That's at least the second time it's been brought up in the past couple weeks. Heads are turning.

Even this morning on WIBA AM during the Lucas and Dawson show (minus Lucas) the program was getting bad air. Brian Posick was on and was understandably treading very lightly. Dawson and Robb Vogel were more outspoken.

I'm pretty sure sure this is coming to a head in 28 days, 8 hours, 22 minutes and 0 seconds as I type.

Podcast for Lucas and Dawson (Rob Vogel filling in with Phil) is here: http://thebig1070.iheart.com/media/play/26739907/

They discuss hockey at about 35:40 and then later Brian Posick comes in at about 43:20 to discuss John Hughes movies and Wisco Hockey.

 

[oldtyme25]

Re: Wisconsin Hockey XXXVI: Stop looking for the silver lining and ignoring the probl

Well since I have not seen one yet....I thought I would start the countdown clock on Mike Eaves.

37 Days until the last projected game on Thursday March 17th, which is the quarter finals game of the Weak 6 league tournament.

Hopefully at 8:00AM on March 18th the search for a new head coach begins!!

Day 27 = 27 more metaphors = 27 more excuses = 27 more days until the search for a new coach can begin.