Wisconsin Hockey Vol. XXVIII: This could be a banner year, but how would we know?

[Chuck Schwartz]

Re: Wisconsin Hockey Vol. XXVIII: This could be a banner year, but how would we know?

I had a similar thought the other night:

How would UW's program have changed if one or two players had stuck around an extra year (like Craig Smith who despite being clearly ready to move on we didn't expect to leave at the time, or Ryan Suter who was probably NHL ready already but the NHL was locked out his first season off campus)? Taking Suter as an example: how much further could the team have gotten in 2004-05 with him on the blueline? Would we have been able to be one of the all-WCHA Frozen Four? Which of our freshman D-men that season (Engel, Drewiske, Klubertanz, Piskula) could have not been a Badger because of Suter coming back, and how would that have impacted recruiting and results in the future?

In some cases, I'm sure we'd be surprised at just how much some things could've changed.

Suter didn't decide to leave until after school already started, so those other d-men you mention were on board either way.

 

[ExileOnDaytonStreet]

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Oh, that's right. I'd forgotten about that. Now that you mention it, I remember seeing the news in the Daily Cardinal.

Come to think of it, he's probably the one early departure who could've stuck around another season and had absolutely no negative side effects (in terms of contributing to un-balanced classes or somehow preventing another good player from coming in).

 

[TJbadgerfan]

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I watched some of Penn St. vs. MN tonight. Barry needs to take a road trip and see what a student section can be like if they loosened the reigns a bit. Loved seeing all the signs and everyone banging on the glass. Looked a lot like the Dane back in the day with the band right on the glass.

 

[UNI MadCat]

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I watched some of Penn St. vs. MN tonight. Barry needs to take a road trip and see what a student section can be like if they loosened the reigns a bit. Loved seeing all the signs and everyone banging on the glass. Looked a lot like the Dane back in the day with the band right on the glass.

I'm not sure I get what you're saying. The band is not on the glass at Pegula. They are at the top of the student section and the students make kind of a "U" shape around them. As for banging on the glass…hmm…I saw this a lot on tv Saturday night at the KC so, again, not quite sure I understand. Signs? Don't know much about that thought I don't know if a sign is what a good student section makes.

That said, to say UW is out of touch with how to "direct" (can't think of a better word) student sections in general, is an understatement. So I'm with you on that. This year I sat at CR in the disability section due to a family member needing the seats. We were located right behind the student section and I was just amazed how they treated them. Pack em in one by one like sardines and heaven forbid they try to move. You couldn't sit down if you wanted to, there is just no room. And the security is constantly hounding students for everything. It takes forever for them to get into the game. I now believe it when students say its not their fault for why they arrive so late. I'm sure it kills attendance, especially for the lesser games (of which we have a lot). Sorry for the tangent.

 

[WiscDC]

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I'm not sure I get what you're saying. The band is not on the glass at Pegula. They are at the top of the student section and the students make kind of a "U" shape around them. As for banging on the glass…hmm…I saw this a lot on tv Saturday night at the KC so, again, not quite sure I understand. Signs? Don't know much about that thought I don't know if a sign is what a good student section makes.

That said, to say UW is out of touch with how to "direct" (can't think of a better word) student sections in general, is an understatement. So I'm with you on that. This year I sat at CR in the disability section due to a family member needing the seats. We were located right behind the student section and I was just amazed how they treated them. Pack em in one by one like sardines and heaven forbid they try to move. You couldn't sit down if you wanted to, there is just no room. And the security is constantly hounding students for everything. It takes forever for them to get into the game. I now believe it when students say its not their fault for why they arrive so late. I'm sure it kills attendance, especially for the lesser games (of which we have a lot). Sorry for the tangent.

Well...it is their fault. Arriving late is pretty much always an intentional decision made by the "fans" who waste their tickets. It doesn't actually take that long to get in. I always arrive before the biggest waves of traffic, but finding your seat happens very fluidly after your voucher is scanned. If people tried to move to different seats, it would be more chaotic. Actually, without rows and seats on the tickets this year, I was surprised at how well it worked.

Pack em in one by one like sardines

You worded it like it's terrible, but it makes perfect sense. "Like sardines?" It's no more packed in than in the rest of the stadium. Actually, there's more room in the student section, because people are standing, not sitting, so we adjust when necessary. That's a product of how close together the numbers on the bleachers are. The alternative to entering rows/seats one by one would be a mass stampede, leaving holes everywhere, and then you would have problems once you get to the back and people learn to hate each other.

I've never actually heard anyone say it's not their fault for why they arrive late. They get hammered, come late, and don't care they're at a football game anyway. It's pathetic*, and it is their fault.

*Especially because it forces fans who will actually support the program and get something out of being there have to pay more when tickets sell out because of the idiots.

 

[WiscDC]

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Also, it looks like Pegula Ice Arena isn't much better in terms of policies.

 

[Wisko McBadgerton]

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I'm not sure I get what you're saying. The band is not on the glass at Pegula... ...Signs? Don't know much about that thought I don't know if a sign is what a good student section makes. ...

TJbadgerfan was saying the band was on the glass at the Dane County Coliseum, now known as Veteran's Memorial Coliseum at the Alliant Energy Center campus. Also previously known as "The Great Dane" and "The Montreal Forum of College Hockey." Banners and signs were allowed and encouraged unlike most of today's venues in college hockey which is a bit of a sore point among some Badger fans.

As the originators of the "Sieve" chant, banners like this one, which has recently reappeared, and others, are part of a long tradition at Wisconsin. The mighty "SIEVE" banner has flown in the stands at a dozen frozen fours and eight National Championship games in the last 40 years.

<img src="http://www.goironpigs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/10-1-a-a-psu-wis-skoff-sieve.jpeg" alt="" title="10-1-a-a-psu-wis-skoff-sieve" width="600" height="374" class="alignleft size-full wp-image-38592">


So now you know something about that.

 

[burd]

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TJbadgerfan was saying the band was on the glass at the Dane County Coliseum, now known as Veteran's Memorial Coliseum at the Alliant Energy Center campus. Also previously known as "The Great Dane" and "The Montreal Forum of College Hockey." Banners and signs were allowed and encouraged unlike most of today's venues in college hockey which is a bit of a sore point among some Badger fans.

As the originators of the "Sieve" chant, banners like this one, which has recently reappeared, and others, are part of a long tradition at Wisconsin. The mighty "SIEVE" banner has flown in the stands at a dozen frozen fours and eight National Championship games in the last 40 years.

<img src="http://www.goironpigs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/10-1-a-a-psu-wis-skoff-sieve.jpeg" alt="" title="10-1-a-a-psu-wis-skoff-sieve" width="600" height="374" class="alignleft size-full wp-image-38592">


So now you know something about that.

That and the fact that any place the Badger hockey team calls home is a smelly armpit of a place better suited for old men in diapers playing horseshoes and checkers.

 

[Wisko McBadgerton]

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That and the fact that any place the Badger hockey team calls home is a smelly armpit of a place better suited for old men in diapers playing horseshoes and checkers.

That might be a bit much. Not like they play at your house.


bada boom!

 

[mnstate0fhockey]

As the originators of the "Sieve" chant, banners like this one, which has recently reappeared, and others, are part of a long tradition at Wisconsin. The mighty "SIEVE" banner has flown in the stands at a dozen frozen fours and eight National Championship games in the last 40 years..

Not that this really matters, but as it's discussion on hockey history (two of my favorite subjects), I thought I'd interject.

Chanting "sieve" long pre-dates it's use at Wisconsin.

From your school's own <a href="http://www.uwalumni.com/home/1970sRTT.aspx">alumni website</a>:

One of them said he had a friend going to school there and asked if we wanted to go up there for the weekend series against the Michigan Tech Huskies and we could all crash at his friend's room in the dorm. I was one of the 6 people who took the trip ( we stopped in Fond du Lac to fill up on gas because the price was so low — $0.29 per gallon ) to see the Badgers play at "old" Dee "stadium." I must describe this stadium — it had 3 rows of seats and a railing all around for "standing room" tickets, I say standing room because basically you tried to grab onto the railing and stay there for the entire game and hold onto the railing to keep your spot! One other thing that I forgot to mention--you could see clear through the cracks in the siding to the outside! If it was heated--it was only because of the air coming out of the lungs of the fans, and not from any heater in the building. It was in the arena that these 6 Badger fans went to cheer on the hockey team and where we first heard the SIEVE chant after a goal was scored AGAINST the Badger team. That is right, the SIEVE chant was a Michigan Tech cheer! It was really the only thing you could say and still be understood when your teeth were chattering because of the "natural" air conditioning in November on the shores of Lake Superior!

Well — seeing/hearing the SIEVE chant there in Dee Stadium, we thought that maybe this was something we could bring back to the Dane County Coliseum for the Badgers. The next weekend, we made a dorky cardboard sign, then sat low near the ice (even though the seats were not that good for seeing the game action) so that we could be seen by all the people in the stadium, we introduced the SIEVE chant to University of Wisconsin hockey fans. The rest you might say is history — it only took that Friday night (about 5 goals were scored by the Badgers I think) and by Saturday the whole crowd was into it without any prompting (remember most of the crowd was there on Friday night as well).

I have read numerous other accounts of it being used at hockey games long before it was even used at Tech, so it didn't even really originate there either.

UW certainly is the most well known for using it, but UW fans were hardly the first to use the chant.

 

[Wisko McBadgerton]

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Not that this really matters, but as it's discussion on hockey history (two of my favorite subjects), I thought I'd interject.

Chanting "sieve" long pre-dates it's use at Wisconsin.

From your school's own <a href="http://www.uwalumni.com/home/1970sRTT.aspx">alumni website</a>:



I have read numerous other accounts of it being used at hockey games long before it was even used at Tech, so it didn't even really originate there either.

UW certainly is the most well known for using it, but UW fans were hardly the first to use the chant.

You realize of course that both the alumni website article and your statement about having read numerous accounts on the subject are both considered hearsay and not admissible in court.

Even if it were, I'd argue that given the described chattering teeth, etc. and, that given the state of young college students in the early 1970's was to be under the influence of something, it was just as likely they heard people yelling "Save" or even "Seine" (a type of net commonly used to catch smelt in Lake Superior) or "Seven and Seven", (a popular drink) or the French word "sanguin" (from latin -'sanguis' meaning 'of blood'. Techies are a blood thirsty lot and often of French Canadian descent.) or some combination of these. People sound funny in Houghton. More likely that "Sieve" arose spontaneously from this misunderstanding, still making it a Wisconsin Original.

Counselor?

 

[WiscTJK]

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You realize of course that both the alumni website article and your statement about having read numerous accounts on the subject are both considered hearsay and not admissible in court.

Even if it were, I'd argue that given the described chattering teeth, etc. and, that given the state of young college students in the early 1970's was to be under the influence of something, it was just as likely they heard people yelling "Save" or even "Seine" (a type of net commonly used to catch smelt in Lake Superior) or "Seven and Seven", (a popular drink) or the French word "sanguin" (from latin -'sanguis' meaning 'of blood'. Techies are a blood thirsty lot and often of French Canadian descent.) or some combination of these. People sound funny in Houghton. More likely that "Sieve" arose spontaneously from this misunderstanding, still making it a Wisconsin Original.

Counselor?

Maybe Jdubbs could quit trolling Wisconsin threads and stay in goof threads, regardless of where he lives.

 

[Chuck Schwartz]

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Maybe Jdubbs could quit trolling Wisconsin threads and stay in goof threads, regardless of where he lives.

Off topic but my favorite Jdubbs errr mnstateofhockey story was when he brutally harassed a friend of mine (who has no idea who JDubbs is) on twitter about being from Wisconsin but living/working in the Twin Cities. Obviously funny, since JDubbs errr mnstateofhockey is from Minnesota but lives in Milwaukee.

 

[mnstate0fhockey]

Off topic but my favorite Jdubbs errr mnstateofhockey story was when he brutally harassed a friend of mine (who has no idea who JDubbs is) on twitter about being from Wisconsin but living/working in the Twin Cities. Obviously funny, since JDubbs errr mnstateofhockey is from Minnesota but lives in Milwaukee.

You're certainly no stranger to hyperbole.

It's a chant. No need for hurt feelings.

 

[NMH]

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Slow going around these parts on the off-week. If you were so inclined, I have a feature up on women's captain Alex Rigsby

 

[Timothy A]

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So Kerdiles is out this weekend...that was the big question of the week.

 

[GoBucky!]

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Greatest Instance of Karma in Sports History http://cheezburger.com/57727745
This is pretty awesome. Fan who heckled player for getting cut, later gets hit with puck. Player comes back to heckle fan and the fans girlfriend's reaction is priceless.

 

[Timothy A]

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Greatest Instance of Karma in Sports History http://cheezburger.com/57727745
This is pretty awesome. Fan who heckled player for getting cut, later gets hit with puck. Player comes back to heckle fan and the fans girlfriend's reaction is priceless.

I better stop taunting opposing goalies @ LaBahn then.

So Kerdiles officially has a separated shoulder. I can't imagine him coming back any time soon.

I watched a lot of the OSU/MST series. OSU might be more offensively dangerous than UM. UW just needs to play solid in all 3 phases and pop some ppg's.

 

[Innova]

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Looks like the Athletic Department is starting to promote the team more and more: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U27-ocX_aLc

 

[Chuck Schwartz]

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So Kerdiles officially has a separated shoulder. I can't imagine him coming back any time soon.

I wouldn't say that. There are varying degrees of the injury. I've separated my shoulder multiple times and it's taken varying lengths of time to come back. Depends on how his body heals.