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Re: Wisconsin Hockey Vol XXV: There's Hope! Or whatever...
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Wisconsin Hockey Vol XXV: There's Hope! Or whatever...
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WisconsinWildcard
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Re: Wisconsin Hockey Vol XXV: There's Hope! Or whatever...
I just hate seeing the KC so **** empty.
I know you are more than capable of defending yourself
Thanks... I think?
I just hate seeing the KC so **** empty. I know you are more than capable of defending yourself
ExileOnDaytonStreet
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Re: Wisconsin Hockey Vol XXV: There's Hope! Or whatever...
"Let's discourage an active student section, and keep a lid on the old people by blasting ****ty music over the PA system and having more generic crap on the video boards." What's their encore for next year, a question about whether the pep band is a distraction? What a joke.
I know that these surveys are probably done through the web (so it's not like you could e-mail me a form or anything), but I would LOVE to see a copy of the survey questions and how they are worded exactly. Paul Capobianco is getting a piece of my mind.
If that's the way that the athletic department views the atmosphere at the Kohl Center, then I'm done with going to live games. I was a vocal Crease Creature from 2003-04 through 2007-08. After graduation, I moved to Milwaukee, where I couldn't be a season ticket holder (on account of not wanting to drive every weekend and the whole "not enough spare money" issue many grads had back then), but I made a special effort to go to a few games a year. Now, I live in Green Bay, and the extra distance means I can only do that one or two times a year now, at most. My experience in sections 114 and 115 were (and still are) the most fun I've ever had at a sporting event, and I have never been more connected to a team than I was back then. I wasn't just a spectator back then, I was doing my best to help the team win by making the Kohl Center a tough place for opposing teams to play. And I had the sore throats and the Tylenol smuggled into the Kohl Center to prove it.
I know it makes me sound like an old curmudgeon, but that's changed. I don't blame the students for not being as enthusiastic or clever as they might have been 8 years ago, look at what they have to put up with. The event staff is horrible, the pep band is increasingly being marginalized, and the AV Club has decided that it's going to take over the atmosphere at the arena. It saps the enjoyment out of it for me, someone who once started an "Always Look On The Bright Side of Life" chant during one of the single most boring and disappointing games ever played at the Kohl Center (I think it was this one). Boring hockey, I could handle. I'd like to think that I can stand a little disappointment, but I've long felt that the AD has felt like it's mission is to push fans like me away. I always felt like I was just being a paranoid, self-righteous sports fan, and I know that this is going to come off as being overly dramatic, but I'm starting to think I'm more than a little right when I say it. I am a passionate Badger hockey fan, and I am not welcome at the Kohl Center.
Oh wow. That is absolutely amazing, in a genuinely embarrassing way. It's as if their surveys are using reverse psychology to talk about what needs to be done to improve gameday atmosphere.
"Let's discourage an active student section, and keep a lid on the old people by blasting ****ty music over the PA system and having more generic crap on the video boards." What's their encore for next year, a question about whether the pep band is a distraction? What a joke.
I know that these surveys are probably done through the web (so it's not like you could e-mail me a form or anything), but I would LOVE to see a copy of the survey questions and how they are worded exactly. Paul Capobianco is getting a piece of my mind.
If that's the way that the athletic department views the atmosphere at the Kohl Center, then I'm done with going to live games. I was a vocal Crease Creature from 2003-04 through 2007-08. After graduation, I moved to Milwaukee, where I couldn't be a season ticket holder (on account of not wanting to drive every weekend and the whole "not enough spare money" issue many grads had back then), but I made a special effort to go to a few games a year. Now, I live in Green Bay, and the extra distance means I can only do that one or two times a year now, at most. My experience in sections 114 and 115 were (and still are) the most fun I've ever had at a sporting event, and I have never been more connected to a team than I was back then. I wasn't just a spectator back then, I was doing my best to help the team win by making the Kohl Center a tough place for opposing teams to play. And I had the sore throats and the Tylenol smuggled into the Kohl Center to prove it.
I know it makes me sound like an old curmudgeon, but that's changed. I don't blame the students for not being as enthusiastic or clever as they might have been 8 years ago, look at what they have to put up with. The event staff is horrible, the pep band is increasingly being marginalized, and the AV Club has decided that it's going to take over the atmosphere at the arena. It saps the enjoyment out of it for me, someone who once started an "Always Look On The Bright Side of Life" chant during one of the single most boring and disappointing games ever played at the Kohl Center (I think it was this one). Boring hockey, I could handle. I'd like to think that I can stand a little disappointment, but I've long felt that the AD has felt like it's mission is to push fans like me away. I always felt like I was just being a paranoid, self-righteous sports fan, and I know that this is going to come off as being overly dramatic, but I'm starting to think I'm more than a little right when I say it. I am a passionate Badger hockey fan, and I am not welcome at the Kohl Center.
There are only so many answers to why they put stuff like that in the surveys... I don't think we would like very many of them.
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The Hallucination
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Re: Wisconsin Hockey Vol XXV: There's Hope! Or whatever...
You're right that the question was worded exactly wrong. I responded with zero detrimental and comments indicating they enhance the gameday experience and should be given more latitude to do so, but you're spot on that the wording indicates a drastically bad understanding of what a strong student section has to add.
However, style of play and winning are two separate questions. If the style of play can win a ****ing championship, everyone can shut the **** up and enjoy the championship. I'll give you three **** years for a 2006 any day, 2006 was that ****ing good.
EODS, you're just slightly after me in the student section era... I was undergrad fall 2000-2003-4 season, cheated/*bigthankstolittlebrother* 04-05, and grad 05-6 & 06-7; we were 115 row A probably 2002-3 through 04-5. The ticket-line era was the best, but at least the line-up-per-game method is an improvement over that **** lottery that made me sad the first couple years in old people land. So, I do what I can to stand up for my students when they send me an old people survey. Also, yes to surviving hockey games with cough drops. That has been true since high school and continues to this VERY ****ING DAY.
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And now I've completely lost my point except that my in-laws are awesome and we're at the beach and I'm drinking too much and there's a bar that PROMISED ME THE ****ING GAME TOMORROW AND IF THEY DON'T DELIVER THERE WILL BE A BADGER FAN IN JAIL IN FORT MYERS. But I think the points were:
1) **** you, WIAA
2) Get your **** together and appreciate those students, AD
3) GO BADGERS.
Eta: who the f is gurthflack? At least quote right...
You're right that the question was worded exactly wrong. I responded with zero detrimental and comments indicating they enhance the gameday experience and should be given more latitude to do so, but you're spot on that the wording indicates a drastically bad understanding of what a strong student section has to add.
However, style of play and winning are two separate questions. If the style of play can win a ****ing championship, everyone can shut the **** up and enjoy the championship. I'll give you three **** years for a 2006 any day, 2006 was that ****ing good.
EODS, you're just slightly after me in the student section era... I was undergrad fall 2000-2003-4 season, cheated/*bigthankstolittlebrother* 04-05, and grad 05-6 & 06-7; we were 115 row A probably 2002-3 through 04-5. The ticket-line era was the best, but at least the line-up-per-game method is an improvement over that **** lottery that made me sad the first couple years in old people land. So, I do what I can to stand up for my students when they send me an old people survey. Also, yes to surviving hockey games with cough drops. That has been true since high school and continues to this VERY ****ING DAY.
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And now I've completely lost my point except that my in-laws are awesome and we're at the beach and I'm drinking too much and there's a bar that PROMISED ME THE ****ING GAME TOMORROW AND IF THEY DON'T DELIVER THERE WILL BE A BADGER FAN IN JAIL IN FORT MYERS. But I think the points were:
1) **** you, WIAA
2) Get your **** together and appreciate those students, AD
3) GO BADGERS.
Eta: who the f is gurthflack? At least quote right...
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Gandalf the Red
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Re: Wisconsin Hockey Vol XXV: There's Hope! Or whatever...
I stopped filling out the survey because it was too ****in long. But I totatly agree about the WIAA, **** them.
I stopped filling out the survey because it was too ****in long. But I totatly agree about the WIAA, **** them.
ExileOnDaytonStreet
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Re: Wisconsin Hockey Vol XXV: There's Hope! Or whatever...
I'll be glad to fill in the empty spaces.
solovsfett
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Re: Wisconsin Hockey Vol XXV: There's Hope! Or whatever...
you can't be serious. Wisconsin has been OUT OF THE NCAA's 4 of 6 years going on 5 of 7. Voicing frustration and anger about this SHOULD be expected. In fact if you look at the UW Hockey experience as a whole...from 1996 through 2012-2013 how many years was UW a powerhouse in there? huh? maybe 2 years? maybe 2-3 more where they were really good? the rest? painfully average. and that's not what we expect.
Look, 18-5-5 since the break is great, no denying that. but IF they miss the tournament they have no-one but themselves to blame. I don't know of another team in the country that people touted to be top 5 in their conference (and some said they'd challenge for a title) that won one lousy freaking game through mid-december etc.
and trust me the numbers of people not renewing their season tickets who've had them for 10-15-20 years or more is startling. Alvarez would be **** wise to act on this and try and stem the bleeding
you can't be serious. Wisconsin has been OUT OF THE NCAA's 4 of 6 years going on 5 of 7. Voicing frustration and anger about this SHOULD be expected. In fact if you look at the UW Hockey experience as a whole...from 1996 through 2012-2013 how many years was UW a powerhouse in there? huh? maybe 2 years? maybe 2-3 more where they were really good? the rest? painfully average. and that's not what we expect.
Look, 18-5-5 since the break is great, no denying that. but IF they miss the tournament they have no-one but themselves to blame. I don't know of another team in the country that people touted to be top 5 in their conference (and some said they'd challenge for a title) that won one lousy freaking game through mid-december etc.
and trust me the numbers of people not renewing their season tickets who've had them for 10-15-20 years or more is startling. Alvarez would be **** wise to act on this and try and stem the bleeding
ExileOnDaytonStreet
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The Hallucination
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I appreciate the time period you cite, because it highlights it is not just Eaves... That includes the hideous late-Sauer era I grew up with.
solovsfett
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Re: Wisconsin Hockey Vol XXV: There's Hope! Or whatever...
excellent! I'm glad I wasn't eating anything or it be all over the keyboard now!
excellent! I'm glad I wasn't eating anything or it be all over the keyboard now!
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Gurtholfin
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Re: Wisconsin Hockey Vol XXV: There's Hope! Or whatever...
Style of play in 06 was not the same as we've seen for the most part since then.
In 06 we could score and get up and down the ice.
Style of play in 06 was not the same as we've seen for the most part since then.
In 06 we could score and get up and down the ice.
solovsfett
Registered User
Re: Wisconsin Hockey Vol XXV: There's Hope! Or whatever...
thanks. yes, I'm in no way pinning this all on Eaves. Looking at the past 20 years really puts perspective on just how long UW has gone w/out being a year-in and year-out player on the national scene
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Gurtholfin
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Re: Wisconsin Hockey Vol XXV: There's Hope! Or whatever...
No doubt. I was just having fun with your response.
I know you are more than capable of defending yourself
No doubt. I was just having fun with your response.
GB Puck Fan
It's A Great Day For Hockey
Re: Wisconsin Hockey Vol XXV: There's Hope! Or whatever...
As someone up here in Green Bay, I find the comments about the WIAA interesting.
It's because the athletic/department hockey team insisted on playing at the Kohl Center that the WIAA moved the girls basketball tournament to Green Bay. And it almost moved the boys tournament to Green Bay, too. I can see how the WIAA might have more an issue with UW than the other way around, given that UW basically forced the WIAA's hand by kicking out a 37-year tenant (between the Fieldhouse and Kohl Center).
Now, should the hockey team have home ice - the Kohl Center, not the Coliseum - for the first round of the playoffs? Of course it should. Absolutely.
But hosting the various WIAA tournaments - basketball, swimming, softball, football and golf - means revenue for the school and athletic department. Where do you think UW gets many of students and athletes from? Um, that would be Wisconsin high schools. And, lest you forget, there are taxpayer dollars that help support UW and UW athletics - and the facilities. So, there are those that would say "allowing" someone other UW teams use public facilities is the wrong way of looking at it.
So what I am missing? Where does the "screw the WIAA" come from? You got what you wanted, right? Or do you want boys hoops moved, too? Every building has scheduling issues. I can't imagine the Bucks/Eagles/Admirals are all always overjoyed at Bradley Center scheduling. Or the Gamblers and UWGB at the Resch. UW has to share the KC for ONE weekend (now) with the WIAA.
As someone up here in Green Bay, I find the comments about the WIAA interesting.
It's because the athletic/department hockey team insisted on playing at the Kohl Center that the WIAA moved the girls basketball tournament to Green Bay. And it almost moved the boys tournament to Green Bay, too. I can see how the WIAA might have more an issue with UW than the other way around, given that UW basically forced the WIAA's hand by kicking out a 37-year tenant (between the Fieldhouse and Kohl Center).
Now, should the hockey team have home ice - the Kohl Center, not the Coliseum - for the first round of the playoffs? Of course it should. Absolutely.
But hosting the various WIAA tournaments - basketball, swimming, softball, football and golf - means revenue for the school and athletic department. Where do you think UW gets many of students and athletes from? Um, that would be Wisconsin high schools. And, lest you forget, there are taxpayer dollars that help support UW and UW athletics - and the facilities. So, there are those that would say "allowing" someone other UW teams use public facilities is the wrong way of looking at it.
So what I am missing? Where does the "screw the WIAA" come from? You got what you wanted, right? Or do you want boys hoops moved, too? Every building has scheduling issues. I can't imagine the Bucks/Eagles/Admirals are all always overjoyed at Bradley Center scheduling. Or the Gamblers and UWGB at the Resch. UW has to share the KC for ONE weekend (now) with the WIAA.
The Hallucination
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You're ****ing right I want boys' ****ing basketball ****ing moved too. As you mentioned they have a long tenancy at the ****ing field house which is is good e-****ing-nough for ****ing high schoolers, **** their stupid asses.
icebadger
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Re: Wisconsin Hockey Vol XXV: There's Hope! Or whatever...
I think that between the Fieldhouse and the Coliseum, ample facilities exist for HS hockey, bball, etc. I would think there has to be a way to move the schedules around so that everyone can be happy. Also, I believe the Athletic Dept is self-funded. This situations seems to come to a head because of the timing...Badger hockey gets kicked out at a critical time of the year (last regular season series, 1st round of playoffs) for events that could seemingly happen in another campus venue with ease, IMO. And to be fair, those Milwaukee teams always get to use their venue for games. I don't see the Bucks or Marquette getting sent to the old Mecca for a random game.
ExileOnDaytonStreet
Drunkard
Eloquently put.
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GB Puck Fan
It's A Great Day For Hockey
Re: Wisconsin Hockey Vol XXV: There's Hope! Or whatever...
Well, quite honestly, the Fieldhouse and Coliseum are both, basically, dumps. I can see why the WIAA doesn't see them as a viable alternative. UW doesn't see them as the preferred venues, either, for hoops or hockey.
And while the athletic department may be self-funded, it is a part of a public institution. As such many people around the state see themselves as "owning" a stake in it - even if they aren't students/parents/alumni/staff. That may be calling themselves fans, or thinking that it's appropriate for other organizations to use its facilities. And, the WIAA events do provide an 'alternative' revenue stream to the athletic department. Or would you rather the WIAA take all of its money elsewhere and ticket prices go up some more?
You are correct that the Bucks don't move games. But there are certainly times that there are dates not available to them. By accomodating boys hoops, that is one weekend the KC isn't available to the Badgers.
As I said, I get wanting and agree with Badger being hockey home for the first round of the playoffs (a moot point next year, I believe, with all six B1G teams playing at XCel), but I think it's being too parochial to think that only UW sports belong in the Kohl Center. You don't build a fan base by excluding people.
Well, quite honestly, the Fieldhouse and Coliseum are both, basically, dumps. I can see why the WIAA doesn't see them as a viable alternative. UW doesn't see them as the preferred venues, either, for hoops or hockey.
And while the athletic department may be self-funded, it is a part of a public institution. As such many people around the state see themselves as "owning" a stake in it - even if they aren't students/parents/alumni/staff. That may be calling themselves fans, or thinking that it's appropriate for other organizations to use its facilities. And, the WIAA events do provide an 'alternative' revenue stream to the athletic department. Or would you rather the WIAA take all of its money elsewhere and ticket prices go up some more?
You are correct that the Bucks don't move games. But there are certainly times that there are dates not available to them. By accomodating boys hoops, that is one weekend the KC isn't available to the Badgers.
As I said, I get wanting and agree with Badger being hockey home for the first round of the playoffs (a moot point next year, I believe, with all six B1G teams playing at XCel), but I think it's being too parochial to think that only UW sports belong in the Kohl Center. You don't build a fan base by excluding people.
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