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WISCONSIN Hockey Vol. XXIV - Craziest Season Of All Time

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Random thoughts...

Someone was not happy with Rammer a few pages back, but I think he's played well this year. Not only has he not scored for the other team, but he's scored 3 gwg and been strong defensively. Rammer is also being more aggressive in the O zone as well and not getting burned by it. Barnes just doesn't seem to have a feel for the game, he's either a step behind or a step ahead of the play. Someone who drives me nuts in Franke "I can't hit the net with a shot if I tried on the pp" Simonelli.

A few pages back Petersen was blamed for the loss, but the loss can be pinned on UW's inability to finish. Sunday should have been at least 8-0, Monday should have been at least 4-2. You can't leave an underdog in the game and not expect to get bit. It was such a crushing loss because UW clearly was stronger, faster and more talented.

I love the fact the #2 pp is running the umbrella pp. The #1 pp just doesn't have enough talent on it to be able to take advantage of Zengerlee's passing.

What is Lee's prognosis? He's such a critical cog in the offense. Zulinick has the potential to fill his shoes, but he's out as well.

The call on Mersch that lead to the game tying ppg was as mindless a call as will every be made by a ref, but I don't blame them for the loss. Dahl, Petersen and the D all screwed up on that play. You can't have 4 of the 5 players on the ice mess up on the pk and expect not to get scored on.

Hiring Butters was a mistake for sure, no one on the board supported the hire. The jury is still out on Schuey, though it's looking bad. The F's aren't scoring under his tutelage, but they have inked a couple Canadian guys, I'm thinking his connections may have had a hand on that. If not, it was a mistake. Eaves hired the same kind of guy inexperienced guy in Walsh, but the D seems to be responding at least for 3/4 of 1 season. Long term, who knows.

The 3 1 1 was the worst coaching idea in the history of UW coaching, equaling the Veer offense of Don Morton for patheticness.

Howie would have been a great full time assistant coach for 2-4 years. He could have moved up and someone else coach the goalies.

Looking at results, I think OZ is over-rated as a head coach, OSU is basically floundering under him with most of "his" guys being in place now. The CCHA is weak compared to the WCHA. But as an assistant, he and Eaves indeed meshed really well.

I never dreamed UW hockey would degrade to the level it is now. It's really mind blowing taking into account the rich history, great facilities and a great school. Looking back at it, it's been a epic fall, but it's been so slow in developing that until now very few recognized it chugging along.

I did say peterson was the reason we lost, but I retract my statement now. He certainly didn't help the cause but Bucky's offense is just terrible and the defense struggles to get it out of the zone most of the time, that mainly being Ramage and Schulze. Zengerle is started to get me frusterated by never shooting. He's got a great shot and never uses it.
 
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Our season in a nutshell:

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Monday's loss:

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Re: WISCONSIN Hockey Vol. XXIV - Craziest Season Of All Time

Thanks for the response. That makes some sense.

Excellent post. Send that to the athletic department.

Random thoughts...

The 3 1 1 was the worst coaching idea in the history of UW coaching, equaling the Veer offense of Don Morton for patheticness.

I never dreamed UW hockey would degrade to the level it is now. It's really mind blowing taking into account the rich history, great facilities and a great school. Looking back at it, it's been a epic fall, but it's been so slow in developing that until now very few recognized it chugging along.

My stomach turned when you brought up the Veer and Morton...shivers...but a very apt comparison. The 3-1-1 was a terrible decision and we all knew it. And you're statement about never dreamed that UW hockey would degrade to the level it is now is spot on and, nausea again, brings back memories of 20-30k fans at Camp Randall at Morton's last game.
 
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All you hockey know it alls, what is more of a trap system a 1-1-3 or a 1-2-2? I really want to hear what you hockey analysts have to say.
 
Re: WISCONSIN Hockey Vol. XXIV - Craziest Season Of All Time

Thanks for the response. That makes some sense.

Excellent post. Send that to the athletic department.

All you hockey know it alls, what is more of a trap system a 1-1-3 or a 1-2-2? I really want to hear what you hockey analysts have to say.

I've never claimed to be an expert and I'm not. That said: As I see it, the 1-2-2 is a trap, or more often used as a trap. The 1-1-3 is IMO a more defensive system, basically a LW/RW lock designed to limit odd-man rushes by opposing teams. Now the 1-1-3 can work great if -hypothetically - the first fore-checker ties up the Dman, the 2nd forechecker takes the puck, then what? Ideally the 3rd forechecker or (I know I'm being crazy but the off-side defenseman) recognizes this and angles toward the net for a pass or one-timer. But I don't see that happening with the Badgers, at least not consistently.
 
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All you hockey know it alls, what is more of a trap system a 1-1-3 or a 1-2-2? I really want to hear what you hockey analysts have to say.

In the words of the immortal Sgt. Schultz, "I Know Nothing!", --but on paper, the trap is traditionally played from a 1-2-2, with the idea being to clog up the middle on the forecheck and force the opposition to dump the puck in. The 1-1-3 can be played in a similar fashion, but perhaps with a better chance of preventing an odd man rush on a good breakout pass. The Redwing's Left Wing Lock played this way quite a bit, forcing the puck to the boards and dropping the offside winger back even with the d-men. If the 1-1-3 is played more aggressively, the idea would be that it would create more turnovers in the neutral zone, leading to a quick turnaround and more scoring opportunities. We don't seem to be making either style work very well.


Edit: I mean, yeah, what TUSCHWI said. :)
 
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I've never claimed to be an expert and I'm not. That said: As I see it, the 1-2-2 is a trap, or more often used as a trap. The 1-1-3 is IMO a more defensive system, basically a LW/RW lock designed to limit odd-man rushes by opposing teams. Now the 1-1-3 can work great if -hypothetically - the first fore-checker ties up the Dman, the 2nd forechecker takes the puck, then what? Ideally the 3rd forechecker or (I know I'm being crazy but the off-side defenseman) recognizes this and angles toward the net for a pass or one-timer. But I don't see that happening with the Badgers, at least not consistently.

UW doesn't have the offensive ability or instinct on the blueline to be successful with that system this year.

I disagree that the specific 5-on-5 forecheck that the Badgers are running is the problem with the offense, it isn't as if this team is lighting it up on the PP and struggling 5-on-5 which would indicate that the forecheck was holding the scoring back. The offensive issues go way beyond the that. Switching to the 1-1-3 may have contributed to the horrible start to the season, but it wouldn't alter the offensive difficulties that this team has suffered from, IMHO.
 
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As an aside and I know this post also belongs in another threat, but Andy Baggot posted an article today about how great of a job Mark Johnson has done as a coach this year with a lot of his big scorers having left or graduated, that even with a reduced talent this year, Mark Johnson always gets the most out of his teams and (ahem...) has them playing their best hockey at this time of year. The article itself is great; the timing of it is interesting and the message sent by it is IMO clear.

http://host.madison.com/sports/colu...cle_9a21c5ee-8166-11e2-9f7f-001a4bcf887a.html
 
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Yoo Hoo anyone home??

A left wing lock is a trap!

More time than not the left wing will be in the neutral zone defending when the puck arrives in the neutral zone!
 
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UW doesn't have the offensive ability or instinct on the blueline to be successful with that system this year.

I disagree that the specific 5-on-5 forecheck that the Badgers are running is the problem with the offense, it isn't as if this team is lighting it up on the PP and struggling 5-on-5 which would indicate that the forecheck was holding the scoring back. The offensive issues go way beyond the that. Switching to the 1-1-3 may have contributed to the horrible start to the season, but it wouldn't alter the offensive difficulties that this team has suffered from, IMHO.

Other than the system being painful to watch, there's really nothing wrong with it. Before two line passing was changed, it was dominating the NHL. We've talked about how a decent pp would have maybe added 13 goals and how that may have affected our current standing... although personally I would have loved to have all 13 against MN in Chicago just to watch the cataclysmic meltdown next door...
Anyway, if we were absolutely no better 5-5 than we are, but had a clicking pp ( I realize that doesn't make sense given our offensive issues) it certainly could be argued that this same team would be a really tough out in single elimination tournament games. The style generally forces the opponent to adjust what they normally do for just that one game.

That said, expecting to suddenly become effective on the pp is not a place I'm pinning any hopes. Rather I'm counting on freak accidents decimating our upcoming opponents. Just because no one's ever been bitten by a shark in Nebraska doesn't mean it couldn't happen at a hockey practice tomorrow.
 
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Yoo Hoo anyone home??

A left wing lock is a trap!

Wisco McBadgerton said:
The 1-1-3 can be played in a similar fashion, but perhaps with a better chance of preventing an odd man rush on a good breakout pass. The Redwing's Left Wing Lock played this way quite a bit

Hey there. I'm home. I'm not sure what your point is.

Unless this is the pretext you use to get into my house to sell me insurance? Ok, but I'm telling you right now-- that little lizard guy took all my money.
 
Re: WISCONSIN Hockey Vol. XXIV - Craziest Season Of All Time

Yoo Hoo anyone home??

A left wing lock is a trap!

More time than not the left wing will be in the neutral zone defending when the puck arrives in the neutral zone!

I'm home and I don't agree. Not every defensive system is a trap. That's like saying Nickel and Dime defenses in football are Prevent defense. A true neutral zone trap...the #1 forward wouldn't even be forechecking really, just waiting to pinch/trap the puck carrier on his/her way out of the zone.
 
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What I need to know is in all these fancy-schmancy defensive schemes you guys are discussing, who covers the handshake line. Huh? Who?
 
Re: WISCONSIN Hockey Vol. XXIV - Craziest Season Of All Time

What I need to know is in all these fancy-schmancy defensive schemes you guys are discussing, who covers the handshake line. Huh? Who?


We're still studying UND film in an effort to get better at it.
 
Re: WISCONSIN Hockey Vol. XXIV - Craziest Season Of All Time

As an aside and I know this post also belongs in another threat, but Andy Baggot posted an article today about how great of a job Mark Johnson has done as a coach this year with a lot of his big scorers having left or graduated, that even with a reduced talent this year, Mark Johnson always gets the most out of his teams and (ahem...) has them playing their best hockey at this time of year. The article itself is great; the timing of it is interesting and the message sent by it is IMO clear.

http://host.madison.com/sports/colu...cle_9a21c5ee-8166-11e2-9f7f-001a4bcf887a.html

Mark Johnson wins because he consistently has some of the best players in the country on his teams, and the overall depth of quality players/teams is very shallow, hence the large gap between the the top teams (UW and UM) and the rest of the women's teams. The men's game has way too much parody for him to duplicate his success on the men's side of ledger. He wasn't the most energetic go getter of a recruiter under Sauer and I think right now his program and it's success does his recruiting for him.
 
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