WISCONSIN Hockey Vol. XXIV - Craziest Season Of All Time

[Hammy]

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And what is he going to do this off season (if he isn't fired) w/ the defense? Stick w/ Walsh or find a stud to FINALLY replace Oz.

I don't know the answer to this but the questions is... can Eaves even get a "stud" assistant to come in at this point? Usually a top assistant candidate isn't going to want to join a staff where the future is already in question.

 

[SanTropez]

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I take it Dubbs either got the ban-hammer or deleted his own thread eh?

Or his mother grounded him and deleted it.

 

[JDUBBS1280]

I take it Dubbs either got the ban-hammer or deleted his own thread eh?

Or his mother grounded him and deleted it.

Still here. I made my point. No reason to drag it on. I've moved on. You?

 

[cross cheque]

Still here. I made my point. No reason to drag it on. I've moved on. You?

I've heard this lie before "I'm taking a break, new and improved, not gonna go there" still the same dooshbag.

 

[mnstate0fhockey]

I've heard this lie before "I'm taking a break, new and improved, not gonna go there" still the same dooshbag.

Ignore him.

 

[Gurtholfin]

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I've heard this lie before "I'm taking a break, new and improved, not gonna go there" still the same dooshbag.

He can't help himself. He is what he is.


And this message board has a VERY long memory.

 

[mnstate0fhockey]

I called it the day Butters was hired. Never understood what the hell Eaves was thinking about there.

I do think a good degree of the success of Eaves was tied to Osiecki. When you have a very good second in command, it makes the job so much easier for a head coach. We've seen the difference in Minnesota when they dumped Hill and brought Guentzel back. It's been a night and day difference. Particularly in defensive play and recruiting.

Not to mention Butters basically abandoning their team early in the season couldn't have helped anything short-term, even if it is probably a blessing in disguise long-term.

 

[bucky15]

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Still here. I made my point. No reason to drag it on. I've moved on. You?

Have you really moved on? The fact that you are STILL on the board of another fan base commenting, points to the direction that your next mental meltdown is in about 20 days. Either you are the funniest person who can drag a joke on for a very long time or you have some serious issues.

 

[Wisko McBadgerton]

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Hmm... I got a ton of positive rep from something I said in Dubbie's thread only now I have no idea what it was. Oh well. No doubt it was really quite brilliant.

 

[cross cheque]

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I think Eaves is a very capable coach but maybe like UMtC, before Guentzel, they need a better assistant coach. I realize the former AC gave up hockey for the wooden curtain but what a jerk move and maybe it created the perfect storm for bad season? I don't honestly believe UW players are as bad as their record but college is a huge transition time for players and if coaching can't keep them on pace it's a steep and brutal learning curve especially if the assistant isn't pulling his weight.

 

[burd]

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You animals put dubber in a Hirschdive--how does that make you feel?

 

[MadCityRich]

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Now that my wrists are stitched up, here goes. That was a ****ing club team....I don't care how they were designated this year...a ****ing club team. Horrible Monday night game ...NO atmosphere and 9,000 in the KC? No ****ing way. The Sunday-Mondays are gonna suck; I won't be there. Since I gave up analyzing hockey games in the mid 2000's to enjoy them more, I DON"T enjoy them more! Pro, youth, yes. Not Badger hockey since 2006. I'm finally giving in; some major changes are needed. Sending some guys to the NHL every year is great, but the University of Wisconsin is not in the AHL. I may have lost some respect from some of you (if I ever had any) but this is the lowest I've felt as a Badger hockey fan in many, and I mean many, years.

 

[XYZ]

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The problem is that the lack of on-ice success coupled with a generalized appearance of apathy and neglect from the powers that be in the Athletic Department...

Alvarez doesn't care about nor do much of anything. The morale of the entire athletic department is in shambles. I'm not going to write an essay on it, but it's just the way it is at the moment.

 

[DoorCtyBadgers]

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I have certainly noticed the turn around on D for the gophers since Hill was canned, and I'm not happy about it. Why are your goalies not letting in softies from the red line anymore either?

Eaves has struck out so many times the last few seasons w/ choices. And what is he going to do this off season (if he isn't fired) w/ the defense? Stick w/ Walsh or find a stud to FINALLY replace Oz.

not only the loss of OZ, but shortly after he left, Bill Howard left the program and we have been on a free fall ever since. I wonder if Howard and Oz worked that magic together somehow. Wasn't it Howie who wanted more responsibilty but Eaves shut him down???

 

[Gandalf the Red]

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not only the loss of OZ, but shortly after he left, Bill Howard left the program and we have been on a free fall ever since. I wonder if Howard and Oz worked that magic together somehow. Wasn't it Howie who wanted more responsibilty but Eaves shut him down???

My issue w/ people bringing up Bill Howard is that he was going to retire eventually. If Eaves pushed him out a couple years early or he decided it was enough and called it quits a few years early, he only had so many years left anyway, and the program needed to move on and attempt to replace a legend. I don't think 2 or 3 years would have changed much in the grand scheme only put the program farther behind in finding a good replacement. Mike Valley is doing a **** fine job the last two seasons, at least I think Valley is still coaching the goalies. That one has worked out IMO.

 

[WiscTJK]

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My issue w/ people bringing up Bill Howard is that he was going to retire eventually. If Eaves pushed him out a couple years early or he decided it was enough and called it quits a few years early, he only had so many years left anyway, and the program needed to move on and attempt to replace a legend. I don't think 2 or 3 years would have changed much in the grand scheme only put the program farther behind in finding a good replacement. Mike Valley is doing a **** fine job the last two seasons, at least I think Valley is still coaching the goalies. That one has worked out IMO.

Mike Valley got hired by an NHL team (Dallas?). Volunteer Asst Goaltending Coach is Jeff Sanger former CC goalie for the last few years.

 

[Wisko McBadgerton]

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I agree Red, Howie couldn't go on forever, regardless. And yes, Jeff Sanger worked with the women's program for awhile before coming over to help out with the men. Can't complain much about how things are going there.

I suppose there is a point to be made about assistants though. We've had guys like Grant Standbrook, Jeff Sauer, Mark Johnson, and Mark Osiecki as assistants, a pretty high class group. (After building a program with Badger Bob, Grant Standbrook went on to recruit 33 All-Americans in his time as an assistant at Maine.) I don't know that Butter's departure debacle could have definitely been foreseen, but certainly his MN pedigree was getting a little dusty by the time he got here in the first place. Shuchuk, no doubt, was meant to bring his knowledge and learn on the job, not necessarily be the go to guy. The Butters hire has resulted in a real issue for Mike Eaves and the Badgers on various fronts.

 

[Gandalf the Red]

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Mike Valley got hired by an NHL team (Dallas?). Volunteer Asst Goaltending Coach is Jeff Sanger former CC goalie for the last few years.

That is right, no wonder I was questioning myself and didn't think Mike Valley was entirely accurate.

 

[wjefwhite]

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I called it the day Butters was hired. Never understood what the hell Eaves was thinking about there.

I do think a good degree of the success of Eaves was tied to Osiecki. When you have a very good second in command, it makes the job so much easier for a head coach. We've seen the difference in Minnesota when they dumped Hill and brought Guentzel back. It's been a night and day difference. Particularly in defensive play and recruiting.

Best point in all of this I have seen. So True. Hill was a trainwreck like butters. Bill was a nice guy but not a coach.

 

[Timothy A]

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Random thoughts...

Someone was not happy with Rammer a few pages back, but I think he's played well this year. Not only has he not scored for the other team, but he's scored 3 gwg and been strong defensively. Rammer is also being more aggressive in the O zone as well and not getting burned by it. Barnes just doesn't seem to have a feel for the game, he's either a step behind or a step ahead of the play. Someone who drives me nuts in Franke "I can't hit the net with a shot if I tried on the pp" Simonelli.

A few pages back Petersen was blamed for the loss, but the loss can be pinned on UW's inability to finish. Sunday should have been at least 8-0, Monday should have been at least 4-2. You can't leave an underdog in the game and not expect to get bit. It was such a crushing loss because UW clearly was stronger, faster and more talented.

I love the fact the #2 pp is running the umbrella pp. The #1 pp just doesn't have enough talent on it to be able to take advantage of Zengerlee's passing.

What is Lee's prognosis? He's such a critical cog in the offense. Zulinick has the potential to fill his shoes, but he's out as well.

The call on Mersch that lead to the game tying ppg was as mindless a call as will every be made by a ref, but I don't blame them for the loss. Dahl, Petersen and the D all screwed up on that play. You can't have 4 of the 5 players on the ice mess up on the pk and expect not to get scored on.

Hiring Butters was a mistake for sure, no one on the board supported the hire. The jury is still out on Schuey, though it's looking bad. The F's aren't scoring under his tutelage, but they have inked a couple Canadian guys, I'm thinking his connections may have had a hand on that. If not, it was a mistake. Eaves hired the same kind of guy inexperienced guy in Walsh, but the D seems to be responding at least for 3/4 of 1 season. Long term, who knows.

The 3 1 1 was the worst coaching idea in the history of UW coaching, equaling the Veer offense of Don Morton for patheticness.

Howie would have been a great full time assistant coach for 2-4 years. He could have moved up and someone else coach the goalies.

Looking at results, I think OZ is over-rated as a head coach, OSU is basically floundering under him with most of "his" guys being in place now. The CCHA is weak compared to the WCHA. But as an assistant, he and Eaves indeed meshed really well.

I never dreamed UW hockey would degrade to the level it is now. It's really mind blowing taking into account the rich history, great facilities and a great school. Looking back at it, it's been a epic fall, but it's been so slow in developing that until now very few recognized it chugging along.