Wisconsin Hockey: Vol. XX - Growth Through Experience

[komey1]

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Your 10th in the WCHA and will likely miss your second straight Final 5 and NCAA Tournament. Your also having massive attendance issues. Temper the ego a bit.

Are you sure you wanted to quote me?

 

[JDUBBS1280]

Are you sure you wanted to quote me?

Oops, sorry. Meant to quote the Badger fan ripping on RIT

 

[MadCityRich]

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Your 10th in the WCHA and will likely miss your second straight Final 5 and NCAA Tournament. Your also having massive attendance issues. Temper the ego a bit.

Geez. gophersota is suddenly decent after a few years and the gofertrolls come out of their goferholes. By the way, it's you're, not your. I see that gofersota degree is paying dividends.

Massive attendance issues? Yes. But we had a very successful football team (you don't know what that is, so look it up), that channeled some dollars away from hockey temporarily. We will now see what happens the rest of the year. In addition, I saw a **** load of empty seats at the Mooch last night against Notre Dame....that should have been a sell-out at a 10,000 seat arena in the self proclaimed state of hockey.

Take that.

 

[JDUBBS1280]

Geez. gophersota is suddenly decent after a few years and the gofertrolls come out of their goferholes. By the way, it's you're, not your. I see that gofersota degree is paying dividends.

Was anything I said not factual?

 

[MadCityRich]

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Was anything I said not factual?

I believe (if you can have somebody read my post to you) I agreed with you. I was simply stating that SOME of you come out of the woodwork when the coast is clear, but when the going gets tough, you go back into your holes.

 

[JDUBBS1280]

I believe (if you can have somebody read my post to you) I agreed with you. I was simply stating that SOME of you come out of the woodwork when the coast is clear, but when the going gets tough, you go back into your holes.

Got it. Sorry I misunderstood. As for fans coming out of the woodwork, I think that is true of every fanbase. I admit I am new to using message boards, but I support my team win or lose. And after the beat down the Gophers got last night, right now isn't the best time for us to be beating our chests either.

 

[MadCityRich]

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I didn't see this discussed on this board; why did UW wear their road reds this weekend? Just a non-conference-why-not thing? I know the dark-at-home NHL uniform has been bandied about, but I'm a traditional guy who likes the light at home.

 

[Almington]

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I think a lot of AHA fans, had they seen it, would be laughing at the "inferiority complex" of RIT fans, considering how RIT has done in AHA play.

I hope that RIT can someday be, as a program, at a level where Wisconsin is. It's clear that while RIT may be closing that gap, there is still a ways to go.

And I'm sure now Badger fans are hoping that RIT gets to be a TUC so that these 2 wins can help them get to the tournament. Looking at the Badger TUC record, these wins would help a couple of comparisons.

The only place UW is going this season is on a nice trip to the state of Colorado for the first round WCHA playoffs and the golf course for spring break.

 

[Timothy A]

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I didn't see this discussed on this board; why did UW wear their road reds this weekend? Just a non-conference-why-not thing? I'm a traditional guy who likes the light at home.

Amen Brotha. The revised jerseys leave a lot to be desired, now they are wearing red at home. What's next, t-shirts falling from the ceiling between periods and piped in music?

I didn't see the Saturday night game, but from what I saw Friday and heard about Saturday night the boys are still playing too inconsistantly for this point in the season. They have to go at least 3-1 in the next 4 to even sniff home ice for the playoffs.

How bad would this team be if Schultz left last year?

 

[Chuck Schwartz]

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How bad would this team be if Schultz left last year?

How good would this team be if Craig Smith didn't get invited to play in the World Championships, or if Jordy Murray's father never coached in Switzerland?

 

[sunprairie]

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Voting is now open for this year's Seventh Man Award. According to WPT, the fan-voted award is given to the player who best represents the Badger traits of team spirit and good sportsmanship. The award is presented at the annual season-end awards banquet.

Voting is open at wpt.org/sports.

 

[solovsfett]

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I didn't see the Saturday night game, but from what I saw Friday and heard about Saturday night the boys are still playing too inconsistantly for this point in the season. They have to go at least 3-1 in the next 4 to even sniff home ice for the playoffs.

How bad would this team be if Schultz left last year?

I gotta tell ya this team has 9 wins w/Schultz, I think they'd have maybe 3-4 w/out him. When I think about that it says UW doesn't re-load like Denver and Nodak, BC, and now apparently Notre Dame (probably michigan too)...they re-build. and to be honest after 10 years this isn't what the team should be doing. after 06 they should have been re-loading year in and year out like the aforementioned schools.

I don't think Craig Smith or Jordy Murray leaving early (or Stepan for that matter) is as huge a deal as the lack of foresight in recruiting to deal with these situations.

maybe watching Notre Dame vs. MN was a bad idea for me this weekend. they (Notre Dame) sure looked a hell of a lot better than UW, a hell of a lot.

 

[Chuck Schwartz]

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I gotta tell ya this team has 9 wins w/Schultz, I think they'd have maybe 3-4 w/out him. When I think about that it says UW doesn't re-load like Denver and Nodak, BC, and now apparently Notre Dame (probably michigan too)...they re-build. and to be honest after 10 years this isn't what the team should be doing. after 06 they should have been re-loading year in and year out like the aforementioned schools.

I don't think Craig Smith or Jordy Murray leaving early (or Stepan for that matter) is as huge a deal as the lack of foresight in recruiting to deal with these situations.

maybe watching Notre Dame vs. MN was a bad idea for me this weekend. they (Notre Dame) sure looked a hell of a lot better than UW, a hell of a lot.

Not going to lie, these type of posts are becoming increasingly hard for me to bite my tongue.

If you honestly thought that Mike Eaves could plan on Craig Smith or Derek Stepan leaving after two years, you're crazy. Those are major (& super late) losses that you simply can't always prepare for. You don't think it's a huge deal to lose two players that IMMEDIATELY stepped into NHL lineups after never playing a minute in the minors and thrived? I'm going to have to shake my head at that one.

Also...people underestimate how hard it is to lose not just one, but BOTH of your assistant coaches in one off-season. That was absolutely crippling.

As for the re-loading comment...you're joking right? Just like the re-loading that Minnesota did the last 3 years...oh wait...they were crappy
or the re-loading that North Dakota this year....oh wait...they aren't good
or the re-loading Denver did this year...oh wait...they aren't good

Do you know how many WCHA teams have played for the National Championship since 2006? Three. And Wisconsin was two of those three. Including one in which they brought home a trophy.

Am I happy about being 9-9-2? Of course not. But it ****es me off how negative the Badger fans are when things aren't great.

Wisconsin Hockey: Spoiled, apparently.

 

[Lowbid]

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Not going to lie, these type of posts are becoming increasingly hard for me to bite my tongue.

If you honestly thought that Mike Eaves could plan on Craig Smith or Derek Stepan leaving after two years, you're crazy. Those are major (& super late) losses that you simply can't always prepare for. You don't think it's a huge deal to lose two players that IMMEDIATELY stepped into NHL lineups after never playing a minute in the minors and thrived? I'm going to have to shake my head at that one.

Also...people underestimate how hard it is to lose not just one, but BOTH of your assistant coaches in one off-season. That was absolutely crippling.

As for the re-loading comment...you're joking right? Just like the re-loading that Minnesota did the last 3 years...oh wait...they were crappy
or the re-loading that North Dakota this year....oh wait...they aren't good
or the re-loading Denver did this year...oh wait...they aren't good

Do you know how many WCHA teams have played for the National Championship since 2006? Three. And Wisconsin was two of those three. Including one in which they brought home a trophy.

Am I happy about being 9-9-2? Of course not. But it ****es me off how negative the Badger fans are when things aren't great.

Wisconsin Hockey: Spoiled, apparently.

AMEN Brother....!!!

Luckily, I believe most of the Badger's fan base are not hopping off the bus during an average (to date) season as the aforementioned posters. Hopefully they get run over.

 

[ExileOnDaytonStreet]

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I'm gone for a week, and suddenly JDUBBS is the reasonable troll? Yikes. I didn't realize the RinkPig had several RIT aliases.

I'm also amused that Chuck got this ****ed without having any of my bull**** to react to. He's right that Eaves deserves a break for how much success we've had despite the many many perssonel losses we've had in recent years. That said, even with the losses of Stepan, Smith, etc, doesn't this team have enough talent to be more than what it's been this year? That's what I find most concerning.

 

[Chuck Schwartz]

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I'm also amused that Chuck got this ****ed without having any of my bull**** to react to.

Well, you should know by know now that I have super thin skin. That said, I don't think I've ever been ****ed at you. Disagree with your takes on Jump Around and Barry once in a while, but never ****ed.

PS...don't take my previous post to think I'm satisfied with the results this year. If anyone listened to my interview I did on Mad Town Badgers podcast (how the hell am I qualified for that?) I laid into this squad pretty good.

 

[solovsfett]

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Not going to lie, these type of posts are becoming increasingly hard for me to bite my tongue.

If you honestly thought that Mike Eaves could plan on Craig Smith or Derek Stepan leaving after two years, you're crazy. Those are major (& super late) losses that you simply can't always prepare for. You don't think it's a huge deal to lose two players that IMMEDIATELY stepped into NHL lineups after never playing a minute in the minors and thrived? I'm going to have to shake my head at that one.

Also...people underestimate how hard it is to lose not just one, but BOTH of your assistant coaches in one off-season. That was absolutely crippling.

As for the re-loading comment...you're joking right? Just like the re-loading that Minnesota did the last 3 years...oh wait...they were crappy
or the re-loading that North Dakota this year....oh wait...they aren't good
or the re-loading Denver did this year...oh wait...they aren't good

Do you know how many WCHA teams have played for the National Championship since 2006? Three. And Wisconsin was two of those three. Including one in which they brought home a trophy.

Am I happy about being 9-9-2? Of course not. But it ****es me off how negative the Badger fans are when things aren't great.

Wisconsin Hockey: Spoiled, apparently.

Chuck - re: biting your tongue..I think if you want to be PR for bucky that's great but understand we ALL have opinions and we don't have to agree.

Nodak and Denver are better than UW now (and all season thusfar) and while you might say 4 and 5 points isn't much in the league or Nodak started out poorly the fact remains they're both still better than UW right now, to-date, etc.

yes, I think coaching staffs should be able to have plans for players leaving early. they should have intuitions as well. you think Eaves didn't have 1 clue, not 1 clue that Stepan or Smith would leave early. Ryan Suter? Gardiner? it ALL just blind-sided him? how is it possible that these early departures are so surprising?

I don't buy it. I just don't.

yes, he can't plan for ALL of it but he also seems to be blind-sided more than the coaches in his league.

as for Minnesota I don't care, I didn't use them as an example for a reason. look at the teams I use as examples: BC, Denver, Nodak, Michigan to a lesser degree and now Notre Dame. a down season for Nodak and DU is what they're experiencing now which is 4-5 points better (at this point) and from what I can see Nodak has some steam going for the 2nd half, DU we'll see, but right now both teams have home ice.

anyway
solo = the scooby of the UW fanbase I guess

 

[Chuck Schwartz]

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Chuck - re: biting your tongue..I think if you want to be PR for bucky that's great but understand we ALL have opinions and we don't have to agree.

Nodak and Denver are better than UW now (and all season thusfar) and while you might say 4 and 5 points isn't much in the league or Nodak started out poorly the fact remains they're both still better than UW right now, to-date, etc.

yes, I think coaching staffs should be able to have plans for players leaving early. they should have intuitions as well. you think Eaves didn't have 1 clue, not 1 clue that Stepan or Smith would leave early. Ryan Suter? Gardiner? it ALL just blind-sided him? how is it possible that these early departures are so surprising?

I don't buy it. I just don't.

yes, he can't plan for ALL of it but he also seems to be blind-sided more than the coaches in his league.

as for Minnesota I don't care, I didn't use them as an example for a reason. look at the teams I use as examples: BC, Denver, Nodak, Michigan to a lesser degree and now Notre Dame. a down season for Nodak and DU is what they're experiencing now which is 4-5 points better (at this point) and from what I can see Nodak has some steam going for the 2nd half, DU we'll see, but right now both teams have home ice.

anyway
solo = the scooby of the UW fanbase I guess

Again...none of the WCHA teams you have listed have played for the National Title since Wisconsin did in 2006. And the Badgers have done it TWICE.

Ps....both Stepan and Smith PUBLICLY declared that they were returning to school, only to bolt months later.

Some of these comments are just laughable. Obviously Eaves didn't expect that Gardiner would be a four year player he was a first round pick. That's why he had Jake McCabe ready to come in this season. You seriously threw Ryan Suter out there? The Badgers won the national championship two seasons later.

Wisconsin Hockey: We only have 18 scholarships to offer.

PS....It's not like Eaves isn't trying...after USHL All-Star Cody Strang was declared ineligible by the NCAA he went out and landed Joseph LaBate. When Stepan surprised most and signed with the Rangers after telling everyone he was coming back, Eaves made a strong push and was a runner up for Ryan Walters, due to Walters familiarity with UNO assistant coach Mike Hastings. After that failed, he (at one point) had landed Matt Lindblad who ended up changing his mind and sticking with his original commitment to Dartmouth.

 

[solovsfett]

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Again...none of the WCHA teams you have listed have played for the National Title since Wisconsin did in 2006. And the Badgers have done it TWICE.

Ps....both Stepan and Smith PUBLICLY declared that they were returning to school, only to bolt months later.

Some of these comments are just laughable. Obviously Eaves didn't expect that Gardiner would be a four year player he was a first round pick. That's why he had Jake McCabe ready to come in this season. You seriously threw Ryan Suter out there? The Badgers won the national championship two seasons later.

Wisconsin Hockey: We only have 18 scholarships to offer.

I'm aware of 06 and 10. I'm also aware that with a **** good team they couldn't get home ice last year and didn't make the NCAA's, and now are looking at a 15-16 win season and two years out of the playoffs

yes, re: Stepan/Gardiner et al I'm bolstering the point that kids leave early ALL the time. the staff needs to prepare for that. certainly Nodak, BC, DU and the others I mention must be doing a better job at this

Earl said he was coming back and didn't. the staff needs to learn a player's comments mean nothing until you seem them in class in september.

here's what I'm saying in a nutshell. since 06 the team is a roller coaster and you can attribute that to injury or departures or lack of preparation or anything under the sun. from 06 going forward I thought this team would position itself to put a run on like UW had from 84-94, pretty much always in the hunt for the NCAA's and frozen four runs, and definitely home ice.

so what this tells me is UW is in a position where they build, make a run and have to re-build as I think EODS pointed out much earlier. I'm of a mind that UW shouldn't re-build that shouldn't be in the equation at this point. if should be re-load and let's go.

 

[Chuck Schwartz]

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yes, re: Stepan/Gardiner et al I'm bolstering the point that kids leave early ALL the time. the staff needs to prepare for that. certainly Nodak, BC, DU and the others I mention must be doing a better job at this

If North Dakota and Denver are doing such a better job than Wisconsin, then why haven't they played for a National Championship since 2005, when Wisconsin has played for two in that time span?

Here are some stats to put things in perspective since 2005-2006:

DENVER
-NCAA tournament record 1-4
-2 missed tournaments
-0 championships
-0 finals appearances

NORTH DAKOTA
-NCAA tournament record 8-6
-0 missed tournaments
-0 championships
-0 finals appearances

MINNESOTA
-NCAA tournament record 1-3
-3 missed tournaments
-0 championships
-0 finals appearances

WISCONSIN
-NCAA tournament record 8-2
-3 missed tournaments
-1 championships
-2 finals appearances

Wisconsin Hockey: In Eaves we trust