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Wisconsin Hockey: Vol. XVIII - Belief in a Better Tomorrow
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Re: Wisconsin Hockey: Vol. XVIII - Belief in a Better Tomorrow
Where did you get that and is that the new logo on the sweater?
Where did you get that and is that the new logo on the sweater?
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Re: Wisconsin Hockey: Vol. XVIII - Belief in a Better Tomorrow
Love it... in NoDak that is an upper class citizen and neighborhood from the looks of it.
How bout this one?
Love it... in NoDak that is an upper class citizen and neighborhood from the looks of it.
Re: Wisconsin Hockey: Vol. XVIII - Belief in a Better Tomorrow
Great stuff!
How bout this one?
Great stuff!
Timothy A
Let's go RED!
Re: Wisconsin Hockey: Vol. XVIII - Belief in a Better Tomorrow
I wonder if the toilet is one of those with Goldy painted inside of it. One would think so, it looks pretty new.
How bout this one?
I wonder if the toilet is one of those with Goldy painted inside of it. One would think so, it looks pretty new.
JohnsonsJerseys
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Re: Wisconsin Hockey: Vol. XVIII - Belief in a Better Tomorrow
I understand the shock value regarding the price, but sports collectors are a crazy bunch especially with what Adam has aready done in his career and his future potential. Actually that kind of wear is more common than you might think, but you are correct they are likely not puck marks (not on a forward's jersey anyway). They are almost always caused by black stick tape (hooking the player) or resin/tape on the shaft to improve grip. See the examples below - granted extreme cases but nearly every real game worn jersey will show these types of marks when you look at them in person up close or view high resolution images. Head down to the glass for warm ups and you'll be suprised what you see.
Regarding the Burish that was on CBS sports: 1) The name was removed from the back of that jersey which is less desired by collectors and thus the lower price realized. 2) That jersey is not from 2005-06 as another poster mentioned and is very easy to prove. Who held the team's jersey contract for 2005-06. Check out the neck of the jersey in the auction photo and then compare to any other photo of Adam from that season. See something missing below the neck? 3) Look at the captain's "C" - only one color in the auction jersey, not red-white-red outlines. Also note the "C" location with and without the Frozen Four patch. 4) The tag in the neck "Bauer ProWear" (last used in the late 1990s) was not likely used in jerseys at any time when Burish played. Teams do recycle jerseys, but a high end team like WI is unlikely to hang on to a jersey for 5-6 years and then put it back on the ice. I honestly don't know who's jersey that might have been without more photos of the back and other details to help pin down the era of use. (Notice that the back hem of the jersey is cut off in the photo. I would put money on the fact that it says "Bauer" in the lower right corner.
I'm not going to bash anyone associated with the auction. It was likely a classic case of sports information or the athletics department trying to make a buck for the team and they grabbed a #16 jersey from the storage room, and made an assumption, which turned out to be incorrect. Easy mistake to make, but a costly one for whoever bought that jersey based only on the description listed in the auction.
<img src="http://www.auctions.cbssports.com/images/auctions/124/MHKYBursihGameJersey_Frontc.jpg"> <img src="http://auctions.cbssports.com/images/auctions/124/MHKYBursihGameJersey_Backc.jpg"> <img src="http://www.johnsonsjerseys.net/hockey/mtu/mtu12_95h_tagging.jpg"> This image is NOT from the auction (reference only)<br><img src="http://www.thesportsbank.net/core/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Badger-Adam-Burish.gif"> <img src="http://himg.uscho.com/images/colorscans/20052006/bc_uw_040806_3.jpg"> <img src="http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l6elosq3EH1qc5btbo1_500.jpg">
BTW - If anyone has a legit game worn (mens) Badgers jersey for sale @ $500 I will be more than happy to take it off your hands - cash! (Especially the alternates from the last couple seasons - Badger Showdown, Outdoor games, etc.)
Ryan J
More real game wear - Tulsa Oilers and SCSU
<img width=600 src="http://www.johnsonsjerseys.net/hockey/misc/tul09_f.jpg"> <img width=600 src="http://www.johnsonsjerseys.net/hockey/ncaa/wcha/stc37h_f.jpg">
I understand the shock value regarding the price, but sports collectors are a crazy bunch especially with what Adam has aready done in his career and his future potential. Actually that kind of wear is more common than you might think, but you are correct they are likely not puck marks (not on a forward's jersey anyway). They are almost always caused by black stick tape (hooking the player) or resin/tape on the shaft to improve grip. See the examples below - granted extreme cases but nearly every real game worn jersey will show these types of marks when you look at them in person up close or view high resolution images. Head down to the glass for warm ups and you'll be suprised what you see.
Regarding the Burish that was on CBS sports: 1) The name was removed from the back of that jersey which is less desired by collectors and thus the lower price realized. 2) That jersey is not from 2005-06 as another poster mentioned and is very easy to prove. Who held the team's jersey contract for 2005-06. Check out the neck of the jersey in the auction photo and then compare to any other photo of Adam from that season. See something missing below the neck? 3) Look at the captain's "C" - only one color in the auction jersey, not red-white-red outlines. Also note the "C" location with and without the Frozen Four patch. 4) The tag in the neck "Bauer ProWear" (last used in the late 1990s) was not likely used in jerseys at any time when Burish played. Teams do recycle jerseys, but a high end team like WI is unlikely to hang on to a jersey for 5-6 years and then put it back on the ice. I honestly don't know who's jersey that might have been without more photos of the back and other details to help pin down the era of use. (Notice that the back hem of the jersey is cut off in the photo. I would put money on the fact that it says "Bauer" in the lower right corner.
I'm not going to bash anyone associated with the auction. It was likely a classic case of sports information or the athletics department trying to make a buck for the team and they grabbed a #16 jersey from the storage room, and made an assumption, which turned out to be incorrect. Easy mistake to make, but a costly one for whoever bought that jersey based only on the description listed in the auction.
<img src="http://www.auctions.cbssports.com/images/auctions/124/MHKYBursihGameJersey_Frontc.jpg"> <img src="http://auctions.cbssports.com/images/auctions/124/MHKYBursihGameJersey_Backc.jpg"> <img src="http://www.johnsonsjerseys.net/hockey/mtu/mtu12_95h_tagging.jpg"> This image is NOT from the auction (reference only)<br><img src="http://www.thesportsbank.net/core/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Badger-Adam-Burish.gif"> <img src="http://himg.uscho.com/images/colorscans/20052006/bc_uw_040806_3.jpg"> <img src="http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l6elosq3EH1qc5btbo1_500.jpg">
BTW - If anyone has a legit game worn (mens) Badgers jersey for sale @ $500 I will be more than happy to take it off your hands - cash! (Especially the alternates from the last couple seasons - Badger Showdown, Outdoor games, etc.)
Ryan J
More real game wear - Tulsa Oilers and SCSU
<img width=600 src="http://www.johnsonsjerseys.net/hockey/misc/tul09_f.jpg"> <img width=600 src="http://www.johnsonsjerseys.net/hockey/ncaa/wcha/stc37h_f.jpg">
Almington
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Re: Wisconsin Hockey: Vol. XVIII - Belief in a Better Tomorrow
Considering that UW has (had) been auctioning off the game used 3rd for the past few seasons and they (for the most part) didn't go for more than $500.
From what I have been told, Seniors get to keep their jerseys every season, and the whole team gets to keep them if they make the F4. UW has a stock of past jerseys that can be requested for fundraisers by former players and used by the AD.
I still think that four figures is to much for a Burish jersey from his sophomore season, more than I'd consider paying at any rate.
Considering that UW has (had) been auctioning off the game used 3rd for the past few seasons and they (for the most part) didn't go for more than $500.
From what I have been told, Seniors get to keep their jerseys every season, and the whole team gets to keep them if they make the F4. UW has a stock of past jerseys that can be requested for fundraisers by former players and used by the AD.
I still think that four figures is to much for a Burish jersey from his sophomore season, more than I'd consider paying at any rate.
Re: Wisconsin Hockey: Vol. XVIII - Belief in a Better Tomorrow
Question for you guys. Would any of you pay, let's say, $750 for the Burish jersey being sold (or a game-worn by a similar player) based on the value it holds for you, as opposed its value as a commodity? I know the commodity value might force you to pay more for something you value just to have, but I'm just asking about whether it is worth $750 to you for purely personal reasons.
Question for you guys. Would any of you pay, let's say, $750 for the Burish jersey being sold (or a game-worn by a similar player) based on the value it holds for you, as opposed its value as a commodity? I know the commodity value might force you to pay more for something you value just to have, but I'm just asking about whether it is worth $750 to you for purely personal reasons.
Timothy A
Let's go RED!
Re: Wisconsin Hockey: Vol. XVIII - Belief in a Better Tomorrow
Free awesome hockey tomorrow night, the UW Women open the defence of thier title and raise the championship banner. Plus free comemoritive pucks. Plus they are playing Lindenwood in thier first ever D1 tilt. How many goals will Knight score?
Any men's fans attending? I went on line to buy tickets last night and couldn't figure out why the site wouldn't let me buy tickets, I asked wifeypooh to help me out, then she points out they are free.
Free awesome hockey tomorrow night, the UW Women open the defence of thier title and raise the championship banner. Plus free comemoritive pucks. Plus they are playing Lindenwood in thier first ever D1 tilt. How many goals will Knight score?
Any men's fans attending? I went on line to buy tickets last night and couldn't figure out why the site wouldn't let me buy tickets, I asked wifeypooh to help me out, then she points out they are free.
JohnsonsJerseys
Michigan Tech Fan
Re: Wisconsin Hockey: Vol. XVIII - Belief in a Better Tomorrow
I am guilty of this from time to time, but I can't afford to do so very often. I have more than 300 jerseys in my collection and someday down the road when I tire of the hobby of course I'm going to hope to get some money back out of them. If I overpay on them now because I "have to have" jersey xyz, there will be a sure financial loss down the road. I usually find that what comes around, goes around and it's almost always cheaper the second time if you know where to look. One recent exmaple was that I had the chance to buy a former MTU player's Hartford Whalers jersey. I saw it up for auction, but passed because it went for silly money. But I kept in touch with the buyer and 18 months later he sold it to me for 25% less than they paid. I prob still overpaid a little, but it is likely I will not have another chance to get a Hartford jersey of a Tech player. To most anyone else it was just some guy who played for the Whalers, but for me it was a rare chance to get something that had those two elements in common.
One of the main companies I buy from has their jerseys priced pretty high when they are first released by the teams. But every summer, all the jerseys more than 1 year old are 50% off. Every once in a while I might buy a jersey right off the bat if the I think the kid won't stick in the NHL, but the other 95% of what I want, I'm content to wait until the following summer and buy at a price where I know I can easily sell it an get my money back out of it.
Those that buy at full price have zero chance of making back what they paid unless the kid goes to the hall of fame and you happen to have his rookie shirt or something else that turns out to be rare (team folds, etc). That is one of the reasons I started to collect college jerseys. The kids don't wear 12-16 jerseys a year like they do in the pros, so right off the bat there is a lot less supply and demand is higher. I've sold dozens of jerseys to players and their families because if they are lucky enough to find one, they really want it knowing they might not find another. Some programs don't give the players any of their jerseys or even the chance to buy them. They just get sold off as soon as the season is over or the new ones arrive because the team doesn't want all the old stuff sitting around and they don't want to deal with selling them one at a time.
Ryan J
I am guilty of this from time to time, but I can't afford to do so very often. I have more than 300 jerseys in my collection and someday down the road when I tire of the hobby of course I'm going to hope to get some money back out of them. If I overpay on them now because I "have to have" jersey xyz, there will be a sure financial loss down the road. I usually find that what comes around, goes around and it's almost always cheaper the second time if you know where to look. One recent exmaple was that I had the chance to buy a former MTU player's Hartford Whalers jersey. I saw it up for auction, but passed because it went for silly money. But I kept in touch with the buyer and 18 months later he sold it to me for 25% less than they paid. I prob still overpaid a little, but it is likely I will not have another chance to get a Hartford jersey of a Tech player. To most anyone else it was just some guy who played for the Whalers, but for me it was a rare chance to get something that had those two elements in common.
One of the main companies I buy from has their jerseys priced pretty high when they are first released by the teams. But every summer, all the jerseys more than 1 year old are 50% off. Every once in a while I might buy a jersey right off the bat if the I think the kid won't stick in the NHL, but the other 95% of what I want, I'm content to wait until the following summer and buy at a price where I know I can easily sell it an get my money back out of it.
Those that buy at full price have zero chance of making back what they paid unless the kid goes to the hall of fame and you happen to have his rookie shirt or something else that turns out to be rare (team folds, etc). That is one of the reasons I started to collect college jerseys. The kids don't wear 12-16 jerseys a year like they do in the pros, so right off the bat there is a lot less supply and demand is higher. I've sold dozens of jerseys to players and their families because if they are lucky enough to find one, they really want it knowing they might not find another. Some programs don't give the players any of their jerseys or even the chance to buy them. They just get sold off as soon as the season is over or the new ones arrive because the team doesn't want all the old stuff sitting around and they don't want to deal with selling them one at a time.
Ryan J
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I wouldn't pay $750 for Patrick Kane's jersey from game 6 for personal reasons, so some random Burish jersey means very little to me.
If we're talking commodity/investment, I would buy things if I thought I was scoring it well below market value. Then I'd turn around and sell it for profit.
To each their own though.
As a side, I have a few things that I got myself that I wouldn't sell and I enjoy having such as the 05-06 schedule poster signed by the entire team, a photo with Burish, my son and me with the championship trophy etc. I guess that's where I draw the line on memorabilia - did I buy it or did I get it myself? No interest in buying.
Also - Burish, Joudrey, Earle and Pavelski came to my son's cross-ice practice that year and he was about to need new skates, so he got each of them to sign a side of the skates and we retired them. They are hanging in his room.
Of course as Robbie was demonstrating cross-overs, a kid ran into him and Robbie had to be helped from the ice only to make a miraculous recovery and rejoin the practice when he realized that no one was paying attention to him.
I wouldn't pay $750 for Patrick Kane's jersey from game 6 for personal reasons, so some random Burish jersey means very little to me.
If we're talking commodity/investment, I would buy things if I thought I was scoring it well below market value. Then I'd turn around and sell it for profit.
To each their own though.
As a side, I have a few things that I got myself that I wouldn't sell and I enjoy having such as the 05-06 schedule poster signed by the entire team, a photo with Burish, my son and me with the championship trophy etc. I guess that's where I draw the line on memorabilia - did I buy it or did I get it myself? No interest in buying.
Also - Burish, Joudrey, Earle and Pavelski came to my son's cross-ice practice that year and he was about to need new skates, so he got each of them to sign a side of the skates and we retired them. They are hanging in his room.
Of course as Robbie was demonstrating cross-overs, a kid ran into him and Robbie had to be helped from the ice only to make a miraculous recovery and rejoin the practice when he realized that no one was paying attention to him.
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badgerhawk
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Re: Wisconsin Hockey: Vol. XVIII - Belief in a Better Tomorrow
NHL superstar ?
NHL superstar ?
Almington
Blood Boiling with Rage and Hate
Re: Wisconsin Hockey: Vol. XVIII - Belief in a Better Tomorrow
I think that each person has a different price that they would pay, but you can't differentiate between the commodity value and the actual value because the jersey supply is small and the pool of buyers each values something differently.
Game used jerseys carry a premium over an identical, but unused, jersey, how much that is depends on the buyer and the player in question. You also can't ignore the fact that buying anything has an opportunity cost (if you spend you money on a jersey, you can't spend that money on season tickets) and the fact most people have financial limitations on how much disposable income they have to spend.
If I had $750 to spend in a jersey fund, and I had the opportunity to buy a Burish jersey of which I was 100% confident of the provenance of the jersey then I would, but I can't say that I would for many other Badgers. For me, the value of a typical game used Badger jersey would be in the $200-$300 range.
I think that each person has a different price that they would pay, but you can't differentiate between the commodity value and the actual value because the jersey supply is small and the pool of buyers each values something differently.
Game used jerseys carry a premium over an identical, but unused, jersey, how much that is depends on the buyer and the player in question. You also can't ignore the fact that buying anything has an opportunity cost (if you spend you money on a jersey, you can't spend that money on season tickets) and the fact most people have financial limitations on how much disposable income they have to spend.
If I had $750 to spend in a jersey fund, and I had the opportunity to buy a Burish jersey of which I was 100% confident of the provenance of the jersey then I would, but I can't say that I would for many other Badgers. For me, the value of a typical game used Badger jersey would be in the $200-$300 range.
UMDdangler
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Re: Wisconsin Hockey: Vol. XVIII - Belief in a Better Tomorrow
I think we have an inspiring economist writing in our fourms
I think we have an inspiring economist writing in our fourms
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Talk about over priced Badger Hockey memorabilia. Apparently in the 70s they put out LPs (remember vinyl?) with play by play highlights of the past season. I’m guessing they did this just for the championship years but could be wrong. There are “Albums” posted for sale on eBay right now for 1973 and 1977. The Buy it Now price for each is $500.00.
Talk about over priced Badger Hockey memorabilia. Apparently in the 70s they put out LPs (remember vinyl?) with play by play highlights of the past season. I’m guessing they did this just for the championship years but could be wrong. There are “Albums” posted for sale on eBay right now for 1973 and 1977. The Buy it Now price for each is $500.00.
Gandalf the Red
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Re: Wisconsin Hockey: Vol. XVIII - Belief in a Better Tomorrow
I'm expecting Culvers to change the name of the promotion to the Hilary Knight 5 goal free for all tomorrow and sunday. Should be fun.
As for jerseys, I've paid a few dollars for players I like. I have an expensive Jamie McBain jersey in my closest, and probably overpaid for a few Andy Bohmbach's, but the Bohmber was my favorite player, and I enjoy wearing them. As for Burish, I like him, but have no interest in a jersey of his. He is also not a NHL superstar, and anyone on this board knows that. Now if that was an authentic Blake Geoffrion from his sophomore year that is a different story, I'd pay more for his jersey, but that is personal preference.
JohnsonJerseys, you might go over to Buckyville and post it there, there is a rabid Burish fan on there you might get some interest from
I'm expecting Culvers to change the name of the promotion to the Hilary Knight 5 goal free for all tomorrow and sunday. Should be fun.
As for jerseys, I've paid a few dollars for players I like. I have an expensive Jamie McBain jersey in my closest, and probably overpaid for a few Andy Bohmbach's, but the Bohmber was my favorite player, and I enjoy wearing them. As for Burish, I like him, but have no interest in a jersey of his. He is also not a NHL superstar, and anyone on this board knows that. Now if that was an authentic Blake Geoffrion from his sophomore year that is a different story, I'd pay more for his jersey, but that is personal preference.
JohnsonJerseys, you might go over to Buckyville and post it there, there is a rabid Burish fan on there you might get some interest from
UMDdangler
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Re: Wisconsin Hockey: Vol. XVIII - Belief in a Better Tomorrow
Hmmm..I'd love to get ahold of a Pavelski jersey
Hmmm..I'd love to get ahold of a Pavelski jersey
Chuck Schwartz
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Re: Wisconsin Hockey: Vol. XVIII - Belief in a Better Tomorrow
The Tulsa and the SCSU jersey look like they were backed over by car tires. Seems awful fishy.
The Tulsa and the SCSU jersey look like they were backed over by car tires. Seems awful fishy.
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