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WISCONSIN Hockey Vol. 22 - Let's not have another cheesy thread title... Wait, What?

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Re: WISCONSIN Hockey Vol. 22 - Let's not have another cheesy thread title... Wait, W

Almington said:
To be fair, Eaves is doing every thing you mentioned, he's just not doing all of them at a consistanly high level.
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But doesn't that mean that he's failing at it? That's what we're talking about here. Raising the bar to a consistently higher level.
 
Gurtholfin said:
But doesn't that mean that he's failing at it? That's what we're talking about here. Raising the bar to a consistently higher level.
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Not excelling is not the same as failing. If you or I tried to do it we would likely fail miserably, Eaves is at least competent even if he isn't at the level that we all would like the head coach to be at.
 
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Almington said:
Not excelling is not the same as failing. If you or I tried to do it we would likely fail miserably, Eaves is at least competent even if he isn't at the level that we all would like the head coach to be at.
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Well, no one's paying me to do it.

Competent is not good enough. A program like ours should have or should be looking for a coach who excels at it.

Otherwise, what the hell are we talking about here?
 
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Maybe some of it is Eaves' personality is catching up with him in things like recruiting?

I realize its not like he doesn't land any quality talent but if you are lamenting the lack of scoring depth in recruiting classes, then you have to consider more than just the system's influence (although that always plays a role too).

I know one kid (not on the Gophers) that is currently among his team's leading scorers that eliminated UW on his way home from a recruiting visit from Madison because he simply didn't like Eaves' personality. He does have a reputation for being rather abrasive.

Recruiting is all about sales ability. Some of that is done by the school, facilities and tradition. But the "closer" is often times the coach and his ability to connect with the kid.
 
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Hammy said:
Maybe some of it is Eaves' personality is catching up with him in things like recruiting?

I realize its not like he doesn't land any quality talent but if you are lamenting the lack of scoring depth in recruiting classes, then you have to consider more than just the system's influence (although that always plays a role too).

I know one kid (not on the Gophers) that is currently among his team's leading scorers that eliminated UW on his way home from a recruiting visit from Madison because he simply didn't like Eaves' personality. He does have a reputation for being rather abrasive.

Recruiting is all about sales ability. Some of that is done by the school, facilities and tradition. But the "closer" is often times the coach and his ability to connect with the kid.
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I've heard the grumblings too. Heard a story that a recruit eliminated UW depsite a relative having much success partially because how Eaves interacted with the relative. In the end, everyone don't have to like you, but it sure seems like not quite enough of the kids that need to do like you.
 
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If this is all true re: Eaves and his personality rubbing kids the wrong way what can you do really? Either hire a new coach or live with what we've got.

that said, Parise, Moore and Gagner seemed to like him enough. so...???
 
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solovsfett said:
If this is all true re: Eaves and his personality rubbing kids the wrong way what can you do really? Either hire a new coach or live with what we've got.

that said, Parise, Moore and Gagner seemed to like him enough. so...???
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I think Parise called him the most prepared coach he'd ever had, which for a guy like Parise was highest praise.
 
solovsfett said:
If this is all true re: Eaves and his personality rubbing kids the wrong way what can you do really? Either hire a new coach or live with what we've got.

that said, Parise, Moore and Gagner seemed to like him enough. so...???
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Eaves is never going to be a big tent guy, he always has been and always will be a my way or the hiway guy. Recruiting is very similar to politics, and eaves would be a TERRIBLE politician.
 
Re: WISCONSIN Hockey Vol. 22 - Let's not have another cheesy thread title... Wait, W

The Sauer - Eaves eras:
<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/wackybadger/8204293086/" title="WI Hockey - Sauer-Eaves eras by wackybadger, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8487/8204293086_0f3999616f.jpg" width="500" height="364" alt="WI Hockey - Sauer-Eaves eras"></a>
Looking at this, it would seem that Sauer left (was encouraged to leave?) during his second downturn. We appear to be at that same point or worse with Eaves at the moment. Add to that the bevy of regular season and league playoff titles on the left side of the graph and the conspicuous absence of them on the right. Would Eaves still be around without winning it all in '06? His side of the ledger looks even worse if you remove the '08 NCAA appearance when UW got in despite being under .500.
 
icebadger said:
. We appear to be at that same point or worse with Eaves at the moment. Add to that the bevy of regular season and league playoff titles on the left side of the graph and the conspicuous absence of them on the right. Would Eaves still be around without winning it all in '06? His side of the ledger looks even worse if you remove the '08 NCAA appearance when UW got in despite being under .500.
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No, had Cornell scored in the regional final and not UW, I don't think that Eaves would still be the coach. ZERO hardware in ten years would be hard to overlook, particularly when added to the current attendance woes.

If a coach has not managed to build a strong and stable program after ten full seasons, he should be shown the door, end of story.
 
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markwojo said:
I've heard the grumblings too. Heard a story that a recruit eliminated UW depsite a relative having much success partially because how Eaves interacted with the relative. In the end, everyone don't have to like you, but it sure seems like not quite enough of the kids that need to do like you.
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Don't mean to put you on the spot, but one can only think you are mentioning Zach Stepan......I could be wrong
 
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Hammy said:
Maybe some of it is Eaves' personality is catching up with him in things like recruiting?

I realize its not like he doesn't land any quality talent but if you are lamenting the lack of scoring depth in recruiting classes, then you have to consider more than just the system's influence (although that always plays a role too).

I know one kid (not on the Gophers) that is currently among his team's leading scorers that eliminated UW on his way home from a recruiting visit from Madison because he simply didn't like Eaves' personality. He does have a reputation for being rather abrasive.

Recruiting is all about sales ability. Some of that is done by the school, facilities and tradition. But the "closer" is often times the coach and his ability to connect with the kid.
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Bingo! It's becoming more widely known in the AAA hockey community that Eaves is a very good coach, but a total nut-job. You should hear some stories from some former players. The guy is not right in the head.
 
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Wow, now the '06 national title is somehow diminished and Eaves is a "nut-job." Apparently any success they've had under his watch is in spite of him and any failure they've had is all his fault.

I'm not saying he should be getting a contract extension, but some of this is getting over the top.
 
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Badger Booster said:
Wow, now the '06 national title is somehow diminished and Eaves is a "nut-job." Apparently any success they've had under his watch is in spite of him and any failure they've had is all his fault.

I'm not saying he should be getting a contract extension, but some of this is getting over the top.
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I don't think anyone is insinuating the '06 title is diminished. It was a great accomplishment. It also was *this* close to not happening and yet it may be the only thing keeping him employed.
 
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Badger Booster said:
Wow, now the '06 national title is somehow diminished and Eaves is a "nut-job." Apparently any success they've had under his watch is in spite of him and any failure they've had is all his fault.

I'm not saying he should be getting a contract extension, but some of this is getting over the top.
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Because taking off all your clothes and standing in front of every player face to face butt naked because of their effort isn't extremely f_cked up. That was told to me by former player Jake Heisler. I don't think he gives a rat's *** that his name is mentioned.
 
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sweatpants said:
Because taking off your clothes off and standing in front of every player butt naked because of their effort on the ice isn't extremely f_cked up. That was told to me by former player Jake Heisler. I don't think he gives a rat's *** that his name is mentioned.
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Yet if there was more hardware, that behavior would be chalked up as just slightly eccentric.
 
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sweatpants said:
Because taking off all your clothes and standing in front of every player face to face butt naked because of their effort isn't extremely f_cked up. That was told to me by former player Jake Heisler. I don't think he gives a rat's *** that his name is mentioned.
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Gee...a player who played for Eaves under his first season at UW and was subsequently cut from the program. Can't imagine why his Eaves stories aren't pillow mints and roses.
 
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Hammy said:
I know one kid (not on the Gophers) that is currently among his team's leading scorers that eliminated UW on his way home from a recruiting visit from Madison because he simply didn't like Eaves' personality. He does have a reputation for being rather abrasive.
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And didn't that same kid take another look at UW later down the line when his first option didn't work out?
 
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Badger Booster said:
Yet if there was more hardware, that behavior would be chalked up as just slightly eccentric.
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He could parade down my row at the Kohl if he had 3 titles in 10 years. I'd even slap him on the *** and say "Keep it up coach!" ;)
 
Re: WISCONSIN Hockey Vol. 22 - Let's not have another cheesy thread title... Wait, W

Did he really do that?

Least he didn't wipe and show it to them like Bobby Knight. :D


I've considered using that one. Squirts sure can be short on focus at times.
 
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