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WISCONSIN Hockey Vol. 22 - Let's not have another cheesy thread title... Wait, What?

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Re: WISCONSIN Hockey Vol. 22 - Let's not have another cheesy thread title... Wait, W

I understand the frustration. I don't understand increased frustration after the results at Mariucci.
 
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It is interesting to see the reaction here, but not all that suprising as I think the fan base has every right to be asking questions at this point. I find it a bit premature to call for Eaves head after a weekend in Minneapolis. The fact that we somehow stole a point Friday boggles my mind considering by the time that game ended, we were minus 4 of our top forwards in Barnes, Zengerle, Kerdelies, & Labate and spent a crazy amount of time on the PK. Even Saturday we were in the game late into the 3rd period. While I'm not a fan of moral victories, 2 highly competitive performances against not exactly a bad team on the road does not have me easing toward the ledge. Northern Michigan and UMD performances...much moreso.

I think expectation may have gotten just a little out of hand...which that happens with every sport in the offseason when you are looking at things on paper before games actually start getting played. I don't think it is all that rational to look at a pretty mediocre team that was essentially .500 last year and added no one as a frosh that I would consider an elite gamebreaker (Kredilies is probably that type of guy but he isn't playing) that elevates mediocre into even really good right out of the gate by virtue of not much more then they are all a year older....especially losing argueably the best player in college hockey in the process (who just happens to lead the AHL in scoring in a year that because of the strike is absolutely loaded). Minnesota was a really good team last year (won 28 games), didn't lose much, and added some pretty good frosh and should be beating Wisconsin at home at this point...and honestly probably more convincingly all be it with the caveot that rivalry games tend to be closer then where the teams are relative to each other.

For me the test will be, does this team develop in season as the key missing pieces get back into the lineup and the team has a chance to play some together. Way to early for me to the hit the eject button, even if I am concerned.

This...
 
Re: WISCONSIN Hockey Vol. 22 - Let's not have another cheesy thread title... Wait, W

I understand the frustration. I don't understand increased frustration after the results at Mariucci.

Completely agree since the Friday game featured some positive points. Going in undermanned to Minnesota and only getting one point isn't the problem. Badgers are actually 1-1-2 in games played in Minnesota.

Going 0-4 in Wisconsin-based games is a much bigger issue. From both a competitive and fan interest standpoint, they have to start protecting home-ice. I don't care who is suspended, suffering from on-ice injury or another bizarre off-ice injury, please take the series from Mankato by any means necessary. And as the season goes along, the worst case-scenario at home should be splitting with the likes of the Gophers, North Dakota, Denver.
 
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Completely agree since the Friday game featured some positive points.


Since this is what we're reduced to as a fanbase, I agree. The weekend was a huge success. We didn't get shutout and we didn't get blown out.


"Wisconsin Hockey - there are worse programs."
 
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Since this is what we're reduced to as a fanbase, I agree. The weekend was a huge success. We didn't get shutout and we didn't get blown out.


"Wisconsin Hockey - there are worse programs."

Gopher writers/analysts were tripping over themselves on twin cities radio this morning praising UW's effort this weekend in the wake of adversity, fwiw.
 
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Gopher writers/analysts were tripping over themselves on twin cities radio this morning praising UW's effort this weekend in the wake of adversity, fwiw.

Adversity? One coach leaving and one injury? If you can't overcome that...

As for Kerdilles, he's a freshman and if we were basing our program's hopes on 1 freshman, just proves that Eaves is in over his head in terms of putting together teams. Zullinick, btw, hasn't done squat and looks weak and is easily pushed around.

The Packers were without Woodson, Matthews, Bulaga and Jennings yesterday. The Sioux had 17 active players for a stretch last season.

My problem isn't with the results. There's just always something holding the Badger program back from where most would agree or hope they should be. Every year there's a reason (or reasons). Time to nut up or shut up.

Look at the laundry list of things that I posted in regards to the two games and more specifically, Saturday's game. Did I imagine all that? Am I cherry picking?

It'd be one thing if this year's failure (to this point) was an anomaly, but it's become the norm, and accepted by far too many of you. Eaves has had more than enough time (years) to get a formula together that can work and be sustained. He's failed. Burish & Co. won the lone championship in spite of Eaves.
 
Re: WISCONSIN Hockey Vol. 22 - Let's not have another cheesy thread title... Wait, W

Since this is what we're reduced to as a fanbase, I agree. The weekend was a huge success. We didn't get shutout and we didn't get blown out.


"Wisconsin Hockey - there are worse programs."

C'mon man, that's hardly what I'm saying. Because Wisconsin dropped 3 of 4 points, the weekend has to be viewed as a disappointment. Even with all the adversity within the program, there should never be moral victories over the Gophers or anyone for that matter.

I guess I don't come out of this specific weekend and think "OK, now we suck and major changes need to be made." I realize this may sound ridiculous, but I see a home series like this against Mankato as more of a telling story. Not only do I want to see good effort (heaven forbid for all 6 periods), but they need to get a sweep against a program they should be better than.
 
Re: WISCONSIN Hockey Vol. 22 - Let's not have another cheesy thread title... Wait, W

I guess I don't come out of this specific weekend and think "OK, now we suck and major changes need to be made."


Nor do I. The weekend must be viewed however within the context of how things have been going over the past several seasons. You can't simply look at it as one weekend on hostile ice.

The level of effort and execution were both pathetic on Saturday night. With a chance to make a statement, they showed that the slow start to the season wasn't an accident.

I'm surprised at how many of you are okay with mediocrity. Again, this isn't an anomaly. Mediocrity is the new normal for UW hockey and guess what, the paying fans have noticed.

So I should get excited if we sweep Mankato? Who knew that was what we shoot for here.
 
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Hey, our goals scored average only dipped .23 without Zengerlee in the line-up.....

6 of the next 8 games come against easier opponents (kato 2, MT 2, A-H 2, @DU 2). DU will blow UW away, but maybe the guys can get on a roll and get some confidence going in the other 6 games before the break. Then after the break they have 4 more easier games right away, they are @UAA and @Kato. They can go 8-4 over these 12 games. This would raise their record to 9-9-2, which still pretty much sucks, but it would be tracking in the right direction.

I'm going to have to watch the games from this weekend on the dvr, (only saw bits and pieces live,) before I get all wound about about effort, discipline and how the 1 1 3 looked.
 
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Adversity? One coach leaving and one injury? If you can't overcome that...

LOL...yeah only...

Listen, I'm not here to play the excuse card and mediocrity isn't being accepted by anyone here from what I've seen. I'm as frustrated as anyone.

But an assistant coach abruptly quitting, your top scorer (and top returning scorer in the country) going down with an injury, (arguably) the top forward recruit in the country is still out with an NCAA suspension, and then on top of all of that you throw in two of your "first line" forwards get ejected in Friday's game when you're playing in Minnesota's barn against a top five team in the country and lose the non empty net goal spread by one on the weekend?

I mean honestly, what did you expect out of the weekend? If that's not adversity, I don't know what is.
 
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LOL...yeah only...

Listen, I'm not here to play the excuse card and mediocrity isn't being accepted by anyone here from what I've seen. I'm as frustrated as anyone.

But an assistant coach abruptly quitting, your top scorer (and top returning scorer in the country) going down with an injury, (arguably) the top forward recruit in the country is still out with an NCAA suspension, and then on top of all of that you throw in two of your "first line" forwards get ejected in Friday's game when you're playing in Minnesota's barn against a top five team in the country and lose the non empty net goal spread by one on the weekend?

I mean honestly, what did you expect out of the weekend? If that's not adversity, I don't know what is.

Overall, I agree with Chuck. What I didn't expect was the three stupid penalties down the stretch in the third period on Saturday, or passing and puck handling skills that looked like Bucky's Mighty Mites.:mad:
 
Re: WISCONSIN Hockey Vol. 22 - Let's not have another cheesy thread title... Wait, W

LOL...yeah only...

Listen, I'm not here to play the excuse card and mediocrity isn't being accepted by anyone here from what I've seen. I'm as frustrated as anyone.

But an assistant coach abruptly quitting, your top scorer (and top returning scorer in the country) going down with an injury, (arguably) the top forward recruit in the country is still out with an NCAA suspension, and then on top of all of that you throw in two of your "first line" forwards get ejected in Friday's game when you're playing in Minnesota's barn against a top five team in the country and lose the non empty net goal spread by one on the weekend?

I mean honestly, what did you expect out of the weekend? If that's not adversity, I don't know what is.


Again with this weekend...

It's what I expect from the program on a year to year basis. As far as this weekend, I expected to see a team that can execute a tape to tape pass. Let's just start there and build.

In regards to "adversity," we were 1-4-1 before this weekend and before Butter's departure.

You're not really pinning your hopes for the season on a freshman recruit are you? Seems pretty tenuous.

Zengerle's loss is not good, but a team that can't lose one player is a bad team.

I've seen 7th and 8th graders deal with adversity better than these Badger teams do.

For someone who doesn't accept mediocrity, you sure are on here a lot over the years rationalizing it and explaining it away.
 
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Kerdiles and Zengerle are huge parts of our team missing. But if we can barely manage with just those two gone and not a lot missing from last year's squad, I'd say our ceiling is pretty low, even with Kerdiles and Zengerle around.
 
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Again with this weekend...

It's what I expect from the program on a year to year basis. As far as this weekend, I expected to see a team that can execute a tape to tape pass. Let's just start there and build.

In regards to "adversity," we were 1-4-1 before this weekend and before Butter's departure.

You're not really pinning your hopes for the season on a freshman recruit are you? Seems pretty tenuous.

Zengerle's loss is not good, but a team that can't lose one player is a bad team.

I've seen 7th and 8th graders deal with adversity better than these Badger teams do.

For someone who doesn't accept mediocrity, you sure are on here a lot over the years rationalizing it and explaining it away.

Reading comprehension Gurt, reading comprehension is not hard.

Go back and re-read the post that you quoted from me in regards to Gopher analysts giving Wisconsin credit for their effort while battling adversity this weekend. That's all I was pointing out. I'm not trying to paint candy canes and rainbows over here.

No one is happy with the start to the season, and no one should be. I've been much more critical of Eaves as this wears on (read article on Butters departure), but I'm going to be irrational either (not saying you are).
 
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Reading comprehension Gurt, reading comprehension is not hard.

Go back and re-read the post that you quoted from me in regards to Gopher analysts giving Wisconsin credit for their effort while battling adversity this weekend. That's all I was pointing out. I'm not trying to paint candy canes and rainbows over here.


My bad. Probably just taking all the candy canes and rainbows from your years' past posts and attributing them to your current comments.

And the "effort" on Saturday was not what I'd call good. Adversity or no adversity.

Moral victories at this level are for losers.
 
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My bad. Probably just taking all the candy canes and rainbows from your years' past posts and attributing them to your current comments.

And the "effort" on Saturday was not what I'd call good. Adversity or no adversity.

Moral victories at this level are for losers.

Just because I don't call for a coaching change every weekend doesn't mean I'm happy with the situation. I'd completely agree with your Saturday analysis. Ryan Little said after the game that it was embarrassing. I'd agree.
 
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Just because I don't call for a coaching change every weekend doesn't mean I'm happy with the situation. I'd completely agree with your Saturday analysis. Ryan Little said after the game that it was embarrassing. I'd agree.

Nobody else is calling for a coaching change after every weekend either. It's been years of mediocrity with a couple of peaks. There's no excuse for this considering the inherent advantages we should have over at least 45 other programs.

A bad season or underachievement is understandable every once in a while, but we have the opposite here. Good seasons happen every once in a while.

I didn't just arrive at frustrated Saturday night at 10pm.
 
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