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Wisconsin Badgers 2020-2021
- Thread starter Timothy A
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Not enough.
robertearle
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"Extra attacker" works way more often that it should...
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robertearle
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On the UW BTN stream of the men's game, they just said UW vs Minn at 1 PM Saturday, Duluth and OSU at 5 PM.
(They being Brian Posick, father of Badger forward Maddie Posick, So he likely has pretty good sources.)
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(adding Cole Caufield just got his second of the game. Has any school ever had the Patty Kaz and Hobie Baker winners in the same year?)
(They being Brian Posick, father of Badger forward Maddie Posick, So he likely has pretty good sources.)
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(adding Cole Caufield just got his second of the game. Has any school ever had the Patty Kaz and Hobie Baker winners in the same year?)
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ARM
Fan of chipmunk-like mascots.
If that is the case, how confident can OSU be if it loses the semi to UMD?
I would guess that's because there are two factors at play. The trailing team has the extra skater, and all of those skaters can prioritize offense over defense. Obviously, the defending team can heavily favor defense over offense, but that's usually the case in your own zone anyway for most players.
It's become almost an annual tradition that Wisconsin has clearly established itself as the league's best team by some point in January but still manages to add more drama than seems necessary into clinching the title.
robertearle
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Offsides Guy
Active member
I think OSU shouldn’t have anything to worry about if they lose to UMD as long as WI wins it all. OSU crushes UMD in the SOS category with UMD having so few games vs MN & WI. That has to count a lot in tournament selection. Now, if MN wins the Jamboree, then I think OSU should be nervous even if they make the championship game. I don’t see them leapfrogging WI even if WI goes out in the first round.
Hockeynation
New member
UMD played about the best they could, going to be a bitter pill to swallow for UMD, they all almost played the perfect game till the end. However, almost only counts in horseshoes & Big WCHA games. You could see it coming especially after the game tying goal. Needless to say I would say WISCO and a couple other teams will definitely have something to say in the anything can happen one game eliminations coming up.
robertearle
Well-known member
Final (sort of) numbers for Arlen's "percentage per team" standings.
We did indeed end up with a match that never was played - Ohio State vs St Cloud. For the heck of it, I'm assuming a 1.0 'sweep' for Ohio State. That gets us the fun result of Ohio State and Minnesota in a flat-footed tie for second.
Wisconsin is at 4.666 (6 repeating)
Minnesota is at 4.583 (3 repeating)
Ohio State is at 4.583 (3 repeating)
Duluth is at 3.666 (6 repeating)
Mankato is at 1.333 (3 repeating)
St Cloud is at 1.271
Bemidji is at 0.896
(I hope I did it all correctly!)
We did indeed end up with a match that never was played - Ohio State vs St Cloud. For the heck of it, I'm assuming a 1.0 'sweep' for Ohio State. That gets us the fun result of Ohio State and Minnesota in a flat-footed tie for second.
Wisconsin is at 4.666 (6 repeating)
Minnesota is at 4.583 (3 repeating)
Ohio State is at 4.583 (3 repeating)
Duluth is at 3.666 (6 repeating)
Mankato is at 1.333 (3 repeating)
St Cloud is at 1.271
Bemidji is at 0.896
(I hope I did it all correctly!)
ARM
Fan of chipmunk-like mascots.
That's one way to look at it. The other way to look at it would be that UMD finished second in the WCHA regular season (and while I think that it was a stupid method used to seed teams, it is the method that the league agreed to use), and if the Bulldogs win Saturday, they'll be second in the league in the tourney and 2-1 H2H versus OSU. Two of the 'Dogs losses are during 3-on-3 OT, which is only a smidge more telling than a S.O. decision as far as I can see. I know how weak UMD's schedule is, only playing four road games and none versus teams with winning records. Who knows if the committee even considers factors like that.
If I'm in the Buckeyes' corner next weekend, "comfortable" isn't a feeling I'm going to have if the selection committee is considering my team with an 11-6 record and taking only two WCHA clubs. OSU needs to win on Saturday to ensure that it will advance if Wisconsin is the tourney champ. Not saying I'd take UMD over OSU, but that's a possibility, given these are unprecedented times.
robertearle
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What's the argument for only two WCHA teams? Even if you take two ECAC teams (and I can certainly see an argument against taking two from a conference that had only four teams playing). I guess maybe if there's an upset in CHA, so you take both Penn State and the tourney winner.
With BC having lost today, if Duluth and Minnesota both have a good weekend, I can see four WCHA teams in more readily than I see two.
ARM
Fan of chipmunk-like mascots.
Offsides Guy stated earlier that is what he had heard. If it's possible to get three in, then that would obviously change the conversation.
I haven't heard what method is being used to select teams, so it's just another big unknown in this pandemic year. Until I see a link where the method is spelled out, it will be Northeastern, Wisconsin, and a bunch of hopeful teams that haven't clinched anything.
robertearle
Well-known member
Yeah, I saw that comment, and just let it go by. But - no offense to him - you have more credibility in my mind, so I thought maybe you knew something more.
Without looking at the past couple years, it seems to me at this point, pre-tournaments, that it has been "will ECAC get three or will WCHA get three?, and with ECAC certainly not getting three this year, I'll be shocked if WCHA doesn't get three. Who are the eight, if not?
ARM
Fan of chipmunk-like mascots.
I don't know anything beyond Grant's column:
https://www.bcinterruption.com/bost...es-sense-frozen-four-boston-college-bc-eagles
And that basically says that the committee will have a lot of latitude, unlike the years where the PairWise hasn't allowed much room for creativity and the only drama was how to best save a flight by messing with bracket integrity. This year, we have no way of knowing if Penn State is a top-three team or something less. So who knows when it comes to selection, and definitely, seeding.
https://www.bcinterruption.com/bost...es-sense-frozen-four-boston-college-bc-eagles
And that basically says that the committee will have a lot of latitude, unlike the years where the PairWise hasn't allowed much room for creativity and the only drama was how to best save a flight by messing with bracket integrity. This year, we have no way of knowing if Penn State is a top-three team or something less. So who knows when it comes to selection, and definitely, seeding.
Offsides Guy
Active member
No offense taken. As I had said, just a rumor I heard. And I don’t disagree that more than 2 WCHA teams certainly warrant making the National Tournament. Just hard for me to swallow if one of them is UMD over MN. That weak Dogs’ SOS is really bothersome to me.
robertearle
Well-known member
My guess is whichever has the better weekend next week gets the third slot.
Yes, weaker schedule, but Duluth is the only team to beat Wisconsin in the head-to-head, as far as 'standings points' go. You get into one of those endless cycles: Wisconsin beat Ohio State, who beat Minnesota, who beat Duluth, who beat Wisconsin.
It will be an interesting weekend, with way more suspense to the 'selection show'.
FiveHoleFrenzy
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UMD has some warts for sure, but it's hard to argue with how they are playing right now. They played a great series with WisconSIN and were very close to taking advantage of a weird season that potentially could have had them as regular season champs. I could be wrong but I think they match up better with OSU and WisconSIN than Minnesota does. Minnesota seems destined to flame out and not make the national tournamment. Minnesota seemingly has no answer for how OSU and Wisconsin attack their weaknesses. I don't see that changing. If there are 3 teams from the WCHA it could very well be the sinners, yuckeyes and dogs.
Timothy A
Let's go RED!
MN is #4 now, they are in. If UM beats UW and UMD beats OSU, then UM and UMD play a 1 goal game, do 4 wwcha teams get in? Yes.
FiveHoleFrenzy
Well-known member
Doesn't Minnesota have to win the WCHA tournament to get into the national tournament? I personally don't see them doing that.