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Wisconsin Badgers 2015-2016

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Timothy A said:
It seems to me that the concussion rate for female hockey players is very high compared to the men. If I look at UW men vs women alone, over the last 4 years I can count 4 women who have been concussed and zero men. It doesn't make any sense when you take into consideration hitting is not allowed in the women's game.
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This has been posted here before:
Women’s Hockey, a Most Dangerous Game
http://slapshot.blogs.nytimes.com/2...nic-womens-hockey-a-most-dangerous-game/?_r=2

There have been a couple others I don't remember right now. I think it may require several things being done: Better training for players in taking hits, more strength work on neck & shoulder muscles, better helmets and, finally, harsher penalties for hits to the head or that result in the head hitting the boards. If there are other things lets give them a try. I used to enjoy football but can't watch it now because all I see are future CTE victims, it would be really painful to feel that way about amateur hockey (the NHL is goonball on skates & their day of reckoning on CTE is coming)
 
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ne7minder said:
This has been posted here before:
Women’s Hockey, a Most Dangerous Game
http://slapshot.blogs.nytimes.com/2...nic-womens-hockey-a-most-dangerous-game/?_r=2

There have been a couple others I don't remember right now. I think it may require several things being done: Better training for players in taking hits, more strength work on neck & shoulder muscles, better helmets and, finally, harsher penalties for hits to the head or that result in the head hitting the boards. If there are other things lets give them a try. I used to enjoy football but can't watch it now because all I see are future CTE victims, it would be really painful to feel that way about amateur hockey (the NHL is goonball on skates & their day of reckoning on CTE is coming)
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Thanks for the link!
 
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Re: Wisconsin Badgers 2015-2016

Badger Booster said:
I like that Wisconsin can pull a couple of top end players out of the Twin Cities. Too rich of a talent pool up there not to recruit regularly. Looks like a nice class overall.
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A "nice class" is a bit of an understatement. All 7 have participated in national camps and 4 have hardware from international tournaments. Next year could be better than this year talent-wise. The biggest skates to fill will be Burke, but there's deep talent @ D already. Otherwise they are replacing 2 goalies, 4 3rd or 4th line F's and a F/D flexor. The 3 freshman F's are all top line forwards.

I am stoked to see Dartmouth play UW this weekend. They are off to a good start, beating Harvard and tying Clarkson, I don't expect a cakewalk. The unfamiliarity with each other could open the game up a bit. Their goalie Chemago has awesome numbers. Their pp is 30%, PK is 84%, very good numbers (25% & 98% for UW). They score 2.6 and allow 1.88 per game (5.07 & .36 for UW).

I hope there is a loud full house to show Dartmouth what the big-time feels like. Maybe the band? Probably not....
 
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Timothy A said:
A "nice class" is a bit of an understatement. All 7 have participated in national camps and 4 have hardware from international tournaments. Next year could be better than this year talent-wise. The biggest skates to fill will be Burke, but there's deep talent @ D already. Otherwise they are replacing 2 goalies, 4 3rd or 4th line F's and a F/D flexor. The 3 freshman F's are all top line forwards.

I am stoked to see Dartmouth play UW this weekend. They are off to a good start, beating Harvard and tying Clarkson, I don't expect a cakewalk. The unfamiliarity with each other could open the game up a bit. Their goalie Chemago has awesome numbers. Their pp is 30%, PK is 84%, very good numbers (25% & 98% for UW). They score 2.6 and allow 1.88 per game (5.07 & .36 for UW).

I hope there is a loud full house to show Dartmouth what the big-time feels like. Maybe the band? Probably not....
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I'm always hesitant to say an incoming class is great until I see them on the ice. I agree that they look like they'll slot right in for the departing seniors and shouldn't miss a beat.

The upcoming Dartmouth series could be interesting. I didn't realize that they had beaten Harvard and tied Clarkson. On the flip side, they have a loss to Maine.

Even though women's hockey is seemingly the only team playing on campus this weekend, I don't expect a band. With that said, it's time to start lobbying for the band to be there for both games against Minnesota. It needs to be as hostile as an environment as possible.
 
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Badger Booster said:
Even though women's hockey is seemingly the only team playing on campus this weekend, I don't expect a band. With that said, it's time to start lobbying for the band to be there for both games against Minnesota. It needs to be as hostile as an environment as possible.
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Earlier today, I tweeted at them about hoping they there this weekend, but to be there next weekend for sure. Naturally they never tweet back.
 
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ne7minder said:
This has been posted here before:
Women’s Hockey, a Most Dangerous Game
http://slapshot.blogs.nytimes.com/2...nic-womens-hockey-a-most-dangerous-game/?_r=2

There have been a couple others I don't remember right now. I think it may require several things being done: Better training for players in taking hits, more strength work on neck & shoulder muscles, better helmets and, finally, harsher penalties for hits to the head or that result in the head hitting the boards. If there are other things lets give them a try. I used to enjoy football but can't watch it now because all I see are future CTE victims, it would be really painful to feel that way about amateur hockey (the NHL is goonball on skates & their day of reckoning on CTE is coming)
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When I wrote about Amanda Kessel's college career ending earlier this year, I spoke to Noora Raty and I thought she had some interesting/thought-provoking things to say about concussions (the piece is here). She's a good quote on this, IMO, having played at the highest level of women's hockey and in a professional men's league.

The TLDR version is that she says girls aren't trained how to take a hit. They don't keep their heads on a swivel like men do and it leaves them more susceptible to being blindsided and taking a hit that will end in a concussion.

This is also one of the points when it comes to discussing refereeing in the women's game. There's very little consistency to what is called for body-checking and what isn't and we continue to see a gap between the caliber of refs and the caliber of play. At the international level, the refs often aren't keeping up with the speed of play, so some of the rough stuff isn't seen.

As women's hockey fans, we all know that the game is plenty physical, but that means there's a disconnect between how we teach and prepare girls and the game they actually play. We teach them like there will be no checking and if what Raty says is right, that's too their disadvantage.
 
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tristarscoop said:
When I wrote about Amanda Kessel's college career ending earlier this year, I spoke to Noora Raty and I thought she had some interesting/thought-provoking things to say about concussions (the piece is here). She's a good quote on this, IMO, having played at the highest level of women's hockey and in a professional men's league.

The TLDR version is that she says girls aren't trained how to take a hit. They don't keep their heads on a swivel like men do and it leaves them more susceptible to being blindsided and taking a hit that will end in a concussion.

This is also one of the points when it comes to discussing refereeing in the women's game. There's very little consistency to what is called for body-checking and what isn't and we continue to see a gap between the caliber of refs and the caliber of play. At the international level, the refs often aren't keeping up with the speed of play, so some of the rough stuff isn't seen.

As women's hockey fans, we all know that the game is plenty physical, but that means there's a disconnect between how we teach and prepare girls and the game they actually play. We teach them like there will be no checking and if what Raty says is right, that's too their disadvantage.
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Agreed, that was one of my four suggestions for reducing concussions, better training to take a hit. I hate what the mens game has become (at the armature level - the NHL has been goonball for as long as I remember) and thought that keeping checking out of the game would prevent the worst abuses. Now I am not so sure it is the right response. Perhaps the women need to check and the referrers need to learn to call the ***** game as ruled. I saw a game between two top 5 boys high school teams last season & saw at least 6 cases were the hitter clearly left is skates to make the impact. that is charging, there were zero calls. I constantly see high sticks, hits to the head, elbows most going uncalled as if they were just a part of the game. But perhaps if they allowed to women to check they would become less likely to take the hits that cause concussions. If they can call penalties (which I doubt since they are struggling already it might be an improvement.
 
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concussions happen when the player is not expecting/anticipating a hit

IOW, knowing how to take a hit will do no good

BTW, watching the Gophers play sans band last week, I get why you cheeseheads want your band to show up
they certainly add to the experience and take the place of cheerleaders

there was just one crazy guy sitting where the band would be, making a lot of noise
a valiant effort, but it would have been nice if the band was there
 
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pokechecker said:
there was just one crazy guy sitting where the band would be, making a lot of noise
a valiant effort, but it would have been nice if the band was there
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Rumor has it that that guy will be in Madison next weekend for the Border Battle. (On a slightly related note, the Gopher band wasn't at Ridder last week because of Friday night rehearsal before the football game and due to the football game itself on Saturday.)

As far as that band wearing red is concerned, if you can't get them to show up for a regular weekend series, I find it highly doubtful that they'll be in attendance on a holiday weekend.
 
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Timothy A said:
I tried buying black friday sale tickets and the ticket process keeps blowing up on me, I'll buy them in person tonight.
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I bought the discounted men's tickets for two of the Minnesota and Michigan games. I had to sign in with my account number and then only use the Black Friday link to get to the $18/$15 pricing.

If they are selling them at the door for $2 (which I hope is the case), you probably saved yourself a fair amount in "order charges". I got hit for $10 on my men's order.
 
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Badger Booster said:
I bought the discounted men's tickets for two of the Minnesota and Michigan games. I had to sign in with my account number and then only use the Black Friday link to get to the $18/$15 pricing.

If they are selling them at the door for $2 (which I hope is the case), you probably saved yourself a fair amount in "order charges". I got hit for $10 on my men's order.
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Yes they're $2 at the door
 
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Interesting game at LaBahn tonight. Officially a sellout and there were very few empty seats. I can't remember a crowd that large for a regular season non-conference game. Dartmouth had a relatively big contingent of fans and were loud. Not sure about the acoustic guitar national anthem, wouldn't have been my first choice.

Channel was back from injury, but Rolfes remains out. Game itself wasn't always pretty. Desbiens seemed to be really fighting the puck early on. Dartmouth goalie kept them in the game and while the Badgers controlled a majority of the play, it was an uneasy one goal lead until Shaver's really nice goal. To me, Dartmouth looked better than anyone else the Badgers have played at home.

Definitely one of the more physical games I've seen. A lot of pushing and shoving after the whistle as the game went on. At times, it just felt that the penalties were being called randomly for both sides.

Overall, an entertaining game in front of a full house. However, the Badgers have some things to clean up.
 
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Random thoughts.....After the first period I thought "if they play like this defensively next weekend they are going to lose". They tighten up dramatically in the second period and ramped up the shots. I can't recall a game where UW had that many quality shots on the rush. ARD had some instances of over-moving in the first period. She was trying to do to much. She settled down the rest of the game, but the shots went way down as well. PP is toothless. Again, just like last year, they get the puck through to the backside, but the backside shooter stops the puck to shoot - shoot off the pass! You can tell they miss Rolfes.

What in the world was Bradshaw seeing on some of those penalties?!?!?!?!?!?! (shakes head). One play Channel goes over to the boards, fights for the puck for 5 seconds, and then gets a checking call. Another play Drake and a Dartmouth player mutually locked up from the top circle to the boards going for a free puck, they both fall down at the same time and Drake gets the call against her. He was moving the faceoff into the zone, out of the zone (and was corrected by other officials at times), it was like he was on crack. His partner Gulenchyn called 1 penalty, he called the rest. They both did miss calls as well. They let too much chippy after the whistle stuff go uncalled. Call all that stuff please. I will say that overall the reffing has been good up to this game, other than review happy Morrison.
 
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Timothy A said:
What in the world was Bradshaw seeing on some of those penalties?!?!?!?!?!?! (shakes head). . . . He was moving the faceoff into the zone, out of the zone (and was corrected by other officials at times), it was like he was on crack. His partner Gulenchyn called 1 penalty, he called the rest. They both did miss calls as well. They let too much chippy after the whistle stuff go uncalled. Call all that stuff please. . . .
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I try to be sympathetic, the view from the stands is very different that at ice level but may gawd the officiating makes no sense. I get that they don't want to get in the way too much but fer cripes sakes at least call the flagrant stuff and the stuff that can cause injury. There are two of them out there and they are ignoring way too many things. I include my sainted Gophers in there, they are not angels either. While it is important to be consistent I don't buy the argument "we don't want the refs to decide the game" that is BS. If you commit a penalty it is you who decided the outcome not the ref who called it. A few seasons back Ludwig's crew alternated penalties, if A got a penalty they would not get whistled again until B got called. I suppose he felt that way it evened out but it let a lot of stuff go & called a bunch of marginal stuff. My guess is the players figured that out & took advantage of it too. He is better now but still a mystery, the WCHA desperately needs an upgrade on their stripes.
 
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