Will there be hockey in the fall? Will we have to wait until after Jan 1

[J.D.]

Re: Will there be hockey in the fall? Will we have to wait until after Jan 1

Once upon a time, or back in 2010 (the earliest I have NCAA financials from), the public college hockey programs ran the spectrum as far as ticket revenue supporting the program: 10 teams got more than 50% of their expenses from ticket revenue, while 12 got less than 25% of their expenses from ticket sales. Forward to 2018 and only 4 teams (5 if you count Vermont) got more than 50% of their expenses from their ticket revenue, while 15 (16 if you count Connecticut and 17 if you count Michigan State) got less than 25% of their expenses from ticket sales. So, while ticket sales are not as important as they used to be for most programs, the loss of that revenue would still be a significant hit to most programs budgets, especially those that still count on ticket revenue.

Sure, the loss of revenue is impacting almost all areas of business right now, including the business that is college sports. But that loss of revenue means college hockey programs won't be able to play without fans? I find that to be quite a leap.

 

[Wicked Slappaahs]

Re: Will there be hockey in the fall? Will we have to wait until after Jan 1

I can't remember where I got this from, but I guess the President of Wayne State stated that it's unlikely to see in-person classes in the Fall. If the GLIAC goes down, it takes LSSU, NMU, MTU, and Ferris with it.

I realize its not hockey, but it is a D1 school --- the UAlbany Prez wrote in a public letter today that he has formed committees of faculty/students/staff to discuss and make recommendations for the following :

"...review three scenarios for our Fall 2020 semester: mostly in-person instruction, fully remote, or a hybrid of the two. "

 

[JerryP66]

Re: Will there be hockey in the fall? Will we have to wait until after Jan 1

I think there is almost no chance of there being students in Boston this fall. No HE schools playing hockey until Jan. At best. Heard Dr Faruci (spelling) say there is a chance to have a vaccine by Jan 1. I don't think students are back until then. May be no hockey at all. Business will need to open soon, but colleges aren't going to want 10K students on there campus with the possibility of an outbreak.

 

[Sean Pickett]

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Sure, the loss of revenue is impacting almost all areas of business right now, including the business that is college sports. But that loss of revenue means college hockey programs won't be able to play without fans? I find that to be quite a leap.

For the 2017-18 season North Dakota athletic department ran a deficit of $11.8 million with ticket revenue for all sports. Total ticket revenue for all sports was $5.15 million, of which $4.2 million was for hockey. If there are no fans how will the athletic department make up the additional shortfall?

Sean

 

[J.D.]

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A vaccine by January 1 or a vaccine that is widely and readily available by then...that is a huge difference. I have been all for these shutdown measures but at some point life goes on.

 

[J.D.]

For the 2017-18 season North Dakota athletic department ran a deficit of $11.8 million with ticket revenue for all sports. Total ticket revenue for all sports was $5.15 million, of which $4.2 million was for hockey. If there are no fans how will the athletic department make up the additional shortfall?

Sean

I don't know what they will do for revenue. So you're saying we won't have college hockey till fans are allowed because these programs can't afford it. Well considering we have no idea when that would be, how would any of these programs stay afloat? College hockey would disappear for good?

 

[northeastern]

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Two ER docs from Cali..(very highly respected in their community) and i won't name city.
They posted a video on youtube couple days ago. The original video was about 45 mins long & very detailed and they answered 'all' the questions re Covid with hard facts & stats. The blocker politicians aren't going to like this.

Anyway, it was removed by Youtube just a day later, because it ruffled a few feathers after reaching about 6 million views. The gatekeepers did not like it.

Anyway, a friend of mine from Argentina saved & edited parts of it; and sent me an edited version with spanish subtitles (it is still in english folks). I viewed both but can't shout from the rooftop enough re this.

This one is heavily edited from 45 mins down to just 6 odd mins..

...still, gets the point across with this thing.

Wonder how long Youtube will keep this one up... here you go hockey fans

https://youtu.be/_F_bgOEMFQg


Let's get smart America.
God Bless

ps. edit:
Here is link to the original vid : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfLVxx_lBLU&app=desktop

As you click you'll see its no longer avail. Really a disservice to Americans.
I viewed it with a doctor friend of mine. Its on the money; on the science; but more of you will not/ never see it to make your own conclusions

 

[J.D.]

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I respect what that dr is saying but the huge difference is we have a flu vaccine. No, it's not perfect but you can't compare those numbers when one has a vaccine and one doesn't.

 

[northeastern]

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I respect what that dr is saying but the huge difference is we have a flu vaccine. No, it's not perfect but you can't compare those numbers when one has a vaccine and one doesn't.

Approx 50-60%+ Americans do not get the flu shot...

Anyway, I'm not going to get into any long debate on this. Wish you could've seen the original (45 min) video. They addressed that in detail .

Hope we can weather this one in a sensible manner.

 

[J.D.]

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That means 40-50% do. That's compared to 0% for covid since there is no vaccine. That's a pretty big difference. But I am also not someone who thinks the shutdown can go on much longer. People need to work and live their lives regardless of a vaccine. You can't rely on that when there is no concrete date on when it will be available and then deployed/manufactured in mass.

 

[davyd83]

Two ER docs from Cali..(very highly respected in their community) and i won't name city.
They posted a video on youtube couple days ago. The original video was about 45 mins long & very detailed and they answered 'all' the questions re Covid with hard facts & stats. The blocker politicians aren't going to like this.

Anyway, it was removed by Youtube just a day later, because it ruffled a few feathers after reaching about 6 million views. The gatekeepers did not like it.

Anyway, a friend of mine from Argentina saved & edited parts of it; and sent me an edited version with spanish subtitles (it is still in english folks). I viewed both but can't shout from the rooftop enough re this.

This one is heavily edited from 45 mins down to just 6 odd mins..

...still, gets the point across with this thing.

Wonder how long Youtube will keep this one up... here you go hockey fans

https://youtu.be/_F_bgOEMFQg


Let's get smart America.
God Bless

ps. edit:
Here is link to the original vid : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfLVxx_lBLU&app=desktop

As you click you'll see its no longer avail. Really a disservice to Americans.
I viewed it with a doctor friend of mine. Its on the money; on the science; but more of you will not/ never see it to make your own conclusions

I’ve seen it. But they’re ER docs. Not epidemic/pandemic specialists.

 

[northeastern]

I’ve seen it. But they’re ER docs. Not epidemic/pandemic specialists.

If you saw the original; they’ve each got 25+ yrs in immunology/ microbiology & some other I forget what.. (same as Fauci) . Except Fauci is in a ivory tower and like any academic, hasn’t seen a patient in 20 yrs.

These guys being on the west coast saw a lot of the sars (no vaccine either) patients too few yrs back. They also addressed Mers.
They addressed that & more and how ‘herd immunity’ works here, in Sweden or China the same way.

We defeat it and the super vulnerable are the super vulnerable like they are with influenza or myriad of other stuff.

instead now doctors being pressured by hospitals to add ‘covid’ as cause of death; even though 20 yrs of smoking or a stroke 2 yrs ago or a heart attack at 90 may have killed a certain patient .... covid is being added and added as primary diagnosis for the funding and the ‘whatever’ it is the powers that be trying to pull at our cost....being added to the 37 yr old as well as 87 yr old even though both had major underlying issues

If you saw the original video; and heard what special interests are trying to do, then I guess you are better for it and I hope you saw the orig video.

Okay, I am done. Wishing everyone well.

 

[jflory81]

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Those doctors made the assumption that the patients that sought testing and/or treatment during the middle of a pandemic were a representative sample of the population at large...ie that they were as likely to be healthy as a random person who was not seeking a test or treatment. Their misuse of statistics was laughable, and almost certainly politically motivated. Frankly they should have their medical licenses taken away for violating the Hippocratic Oath.

Debunking here: https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/04...go-viral-with-dubious-covid-test-conclusions/

 

[J.D.]

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The best quote in that article is the one about the whole thing being constantly politicized by both sides. Fun times.

 

[WisconsinWildcard]

Re: Will there be hockey in the fall? Will we have to wait until after Jan 1

Those doctors made the assumption that the patients that sought testing and/or treatment during the middle of a pandemic were a representative sample of the population at large...ie that they were as likely to be healthy as a random person who was not seeking a test or treatment. Their misuse of statistics was laughable, and almost certainly politically motivated. Frankly they should have their medical licenses taken away for violating the Hippocratic Oath.

Debunking here: https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/04...go-viral-with-dubious-covid-test-conclusions/

Honestly it is such an elementary mistake that they should not be trusted with anything else that they say. It is the type of mistake that is unforgivable after the first week of an intro epidemiology course as an undergrad. Any doctor who feels that is on the money has absolutely no idea what they are talking about. But then again, most doctors are not epidemiologist and you can easily get through medical school and residency with no knowledge on the subject.

It is like looking around your 6 bed urgent care and see 3 patients there for evaluation for strokes and then assuming half the population of California had a stroke that day.

https://respectfulinsolence.com/2020/04/28/erickson-massihi-bogus-epidemiology-covid-19/

 

[northeastern]

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These guys are on the frontlines and to say that their #s/ data and stats is not representative, okay... well there is as much hyped data (and frankly wrong modeling) on the other side.

Only difference is - there are a lot of well funded & powerful instigators with the Covid

God help us see the forest for the trees. Peace

 

[buoldtimer]

Re: Will there be hockey in the fall? Will we have to wait until after Jan 1

These guys are on the frontlines and to say that their #s/ data and stats is not representative, okay... well there is as much hyped data (and frankly wrong modeling) on the other side.

Only difference is - there are a lot of well funded & powerful instigators with the Covid

God help us see the forest for the trees. Peace

I don't understand the bold statement above. Will you explain, please?

 

[northeastern]

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I don't understand the bold statement above. Will you explain, please?

ha! it wasn't in bold in my original post and you know this.

that may have struck a nerve with you or whomever and you can decide to bold or whatever.
(and i said i wasn't going to get into a debate on this as people allowed to make up their own minds) & here i am getting sucked in.. okay def peace out to all.

and Sweden says hold my beer.

God Bless America

 

[buoldtimer]

Re: Will there be hockey in the fall? Will we have to wait until after Jan 1

ha! it wasn't in bold in my original post and you know this.

that may have struck a nerve with you or whomever and you can decide to bold or whatever.
(and i said i wasn't going to get into a debate on this as people allowed to make up their own minds) & here i am getting sucked in.. okay def peace out to all.

and Sweden says hold my beer.

God Bless America

I added boldface type to highlight what I was asking about.

I was simply asking what the statement meant. No political bias. I don't understand what you were trying to say.

 

[WisconsinWildcard]

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These guys are on the frontlines and to say that their #s/ data and stats is not representative, okay...

So am I...and that does not mean much when it comes to doing epidemiology correctly. I am not sure what you do for a living, but imagine a mistake that you are not allowed to make after day 1. That is the level of mistake they made in interpreting their data. I cannot comprehend making a video like that with that egregious of a mistake on any topic, let alone, one I claimed to be an expert in.

well there is as much hyped data (and frankly wrong modeling) on the other side.

There are no sides. The sooner you realize that the better. Also I would be willing to bet that "wrong modeling" that you speak of is the models that were used to make predictions if nothing was done. This is like modeling that you will die if you jump out of a plane without a parachute. You then jump out with a parachute and say to yourself "man I am sure going slow, I guess that modeling was way off base."

and Sweden says hold my beer.

Sweden is making an interesting decision but their claims of reaching "herd immunity" are not correct. We do not know what it will take to develop herd immunity at this time.

You need to know:
1. The numbers infected. Testing is not good enough at this point to define that accurately.
2. The percent of people who develop immunity after being infected. We do not have widespread serology at this time to know this.
3. The persistence of immunity. Not enough time has even passed (also we need to know 2 first) to know this.

There are other things needed but these are three large gaps in our data that make herd immunity calculations extremely difficult. I hope Sweden does well, but to say they are following good data at this point, would be a mistake.