why obama will be re-elected in 2012

[Kepler]

Re: why obama will be re-elected in 2012

It seems to me that the Supreme Court is doing BO a big favor by agreeing to rule on Obamacare before the election. Suppose they rule that it is unconstitutional. BO benefits in two ways:
> he can blame it on Congress, they wrote it, not him.
> it undercuts one of the Republicans most potent reasons to vote for them: they no longer can run on a platform that they will repeal Obamacare.

He benefits no matter how they rule. If they rule it Constitutional all the air goes out of the right's conspiracy balloon, and if, as I think is probable, it's some sort of complicated and messy combination of rulings invalidating pieces and upholding other pieces, then the simplistic ideological argument is crushed by the weight of legal reality.

It was a bad day for the GOP when the Court decided to rule. Roberts must have missed the memo.

 

[Old Pio]

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The next 20-something I hear say "Technically..." when they want to indicate simple disagreement, I am going to stab in the eye with my cane.

Will a walker do just as well?

 

[joecct]

,"Social Security is the price we pay for our parents not to come live with us after they retire."

The in-laws are in the basement.

The Panama Canal is not.

 

[duper]

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Roberts must have missed the memo.

The thing I notice about Supreme Court Justices is that, while they don't often swing from liberal to conservative or vice-versa, the plan of life-time appointment distancing them from party politics does seem to work, at least to some degree. When the party does something totally crazy (either or any party here, I mean) justices are free to be more sane without damaging their career prospects.

Will a walker do just as well?

Old Pio, if you plan to stab someone in the eye with a walker, let me know. I can be in Phoenix by the end of the day for a thing like that!

 

[Bob Gray]

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Nah, we are American. We do not need geography past our borders. No one else matters!

Yah, but now that we're electing foreigners, at a minimum, we really should know where our foreign rulers come from! I know that's a lot to ask of Americans though.

 

[Hopkinja]

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The in-laws are in the basement.

The Panama Canal is not.

Ooh! Ooh! Arsenic and Old Lace!

Great play.

 

[duper]

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Yah, but now that we're electing foreigners, at a minimum, we really should know where our foreign rulers come from! I know that's a lot to ask of Americans though.

You know, I'm starting to think that Bob really believes Obama was born in Africa.

 

[Rover]

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You know, I'm starting to think that Bob really believes Obama was born in Africa.

Compared to him having the hots for Gov. Jan Brewer I'd say that is pretty far down on his list of problems.

 

[Bob Gray]

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You know, I'm starting to think that Bob really believes Obama was born in Africa.

Sorry I didn't put a smiley face behind the last one of these series of posts. I thought it was an obviously joking line of postings. Check the previous ones. Can't assume anything around here apparently, at least if you aren't a big fan of Obama.

 

[Bob Gray]

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Compared to him having the hots for Gov. Jan Brewer I'd say that is pretty far down on his list of problems.

Your jealousy over Arizona's fine governor is umbecoming.

 

[Terrier520]

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He benefits no matter how they rule. If they rule it Constitutional all the air goes out of the right's conspiracy balloon, and if, as I think is probable, it's some sort of complicated and messy combination of rulings invalidating pieces and upholding other pieces, then the simplistic ideological argument is crushed by the weight of legal reality.

It was a bad day for the GOP when the Court decided to rule. Roberts must have missed the memo.

I'll disagree. The right is very happy to blame the supreme court for anything.

 

[joecct]

Re: why obama will be re-elected in 2012

He benefits no matter how they rule. If they rule it Constitutional all the air goes out of the right's conspiracy balloon, and if, as I think is probable, it's some sort of complicated and messy combination of rulings invalidating pieces and upholding other pieces, then the simplistic ideological argument is crushed by the weight of legal reality.

It was a bad day for the GOP when the Court decided to rule. Roberts must have missed the memo.

Kep

I don't think the Congress put a severability clause in the Bill. Thus if one section fails Consitutional muster, the whole house of cards collapses.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Kep

I don't think the Congress put a severability clause in the Bill. Thus if one section fails Consitutional muster, the whole house of cards collapses.

Awesome. I hope it gets cut down.

 

[Rover]

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Kep

I don't think the Congress put a severability clause in the Bill. Thus if one section fails Consitutional muster, the whole house of cards collapses.

I think that's the hope of some on the Right, but from what I've heard they can rule however they please on this matter. I believe the options are 1) its constitutional (either rooted in the Commerce clause or due to the govt's power to tax), 2) the mandate is unconstitutional but everything else stays (I think one of the lower court rulings went this way) 3) the whole thing is unconstitutional, or 4) the court can punt and say come back in two years after the law's actually been implemented.

I'm wondering if the court chooses #4, especially if they're seriously divided. I don't think #3 is likely but #2 is totally unworkable given that insurers would be on the hook for accepting everybody. There's some speculation that after Citizens United the court may be more reluctant to issue a ruling that causes chaos.

 

[duper]

Re: why obama will be re-elected in 2012

Sorry I didn't put a smiley face behind the last one of these series of posts. I thought it was an obviously joking line of postings. Check the previous ones. Can't assume anything around here apparently, at least if you aren't a big fan of Obama.

No no. I know they're jokes. I'm just starting to think they may be jokes based on some truth, that's all. And I probably should have put a smiley up too, because while I'm also joking, I really am starting to wonder.

 

[unofan]

Re: why obama will be re-elected in 2012

Kep

I don't think the Congress put a severability clause in the Bill. Thus if one section fails Consitutional muster, the whole house of cards collapses.

Yeah, but while severability clauses are nice when they're explicitly included, it isn't always fatal when they're not included, either. AS with many areas of the law, it's a grey area.

 

[joecct]

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I think that's the hope of some on the Right, but from what I've heard they can rule however they please on this matter. I believe the options are 1) its constitutional (either rooted in the Commerce clause or due to the govt's power to tax), 2) the mandate is unconstitutional but everything else stays (I think one of the lower court rulings went this way) 3) the whole thing is unconstitutional, or 4) the court can punt and say come back in two years after the law's actually been implemented.

I'm wondering if the court chooses #4, especially if they're seriously divided. I don't think #3 is likely but #2 is totally unworkable given that insurers would be on the hook for accepting everybody. There's some speculation that after Citizens United the court may be more reluctant to issue a ruling that causes chaos.

Some would argue (me for instance), the the law itself is causing chaos.

 

[leswp1]

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Yah, but now that we're electing foreigners, at a minimum, we really should know where our foreign rulers come from! I know that's a lot to ask of Americans though.

<-(sarcasm indicator ) Oh no- they know where the foreign ruler is from, that's because they investigated and unravelled the whole fantastical cover-up that has been in the making since before his birth!!

An aside- I saw somewhere when poeple were asked about the Healthcare law as a whole the # to repeal was way higher than if they asked about each component. If they asked about the components almost no one wanted most of those repealed. Humans have the most amazing capacity to make no sense.

 

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An aside- I saw somewhere when poeple were asked about the Healthcare law as a whole the # to repeal was way higher than if they asked about each complonent. If they asked about the components almost no one wanted most of those repealed. Humans have the most amazing capacity to make no sense.

That reasoning is very similar to what you get when there's discussion about the deficit. People want to reduce the deficit, but only if it's done without cutting any programs that benefit them, or raise their taxes.

 

[leswp1]

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That reasoning is very similar to what you get when there's discussion about the deficit. People want to reduce the deficit, but only if it's done without cutting any programs that benefit them, or raise their taxes.

It is kind of like society is an adolescent. Same thought processes.