What will the 2000's be remembered for?

[The Rube]

Re: What will the 2000's be remembered for?

Everyone playing Fantasy Football and poker and completely ruining them.

FFL? No. That was huge in the 90's (and when FOX got the football contract, their "ticker"/constant updates was a result of catering to FFL players, which every station soon copied, btw, and arguable eventually produced the RedZone Channel).

Poker? Yes. I always liked the game, and the 00's brought it to a more accessible venue to play it. However, I DO agree that all the donks who watch ESPN and only see the all-ins, etc, helped taint the game.

 

[Jimjamesak]

Re: What will the 2000's be remembered for?

MMO RPG - UO,EQ,WOW
MMO FPS - just advances from 90's series but what a change.
Wii mania

I wouldn't say Wii mania but a general rise in the video game industry. Remember this decade two different generations of consoles were/are in their prime that turned the industry, in the minds of our culture, from a toy for kids and nerds to a multi-billion dollar industry that as much a part of our culture as movies and TV are.

 

[Handyman]

Re: What will the 2000's be remembered for?

FFL? No. That was huge in the 90's (and when FOX got the football contract, their "ticker"/constant updates was a result of catering to FFL players, which every station soon copied, btw, and arguable eventually produced the RedZone Channel).

Poker? Yes. I always liked the game, and the 00's brought it to a more accessible venue to play it. However, I DO agree that all the donks who watch ESPN and only see the all-ins, etc, helped taint the game.

FFL in the 90s was nothing like it is now. I refuse to even entertain the notion of playing anymore and I enjoy football ten times as much as I did when I played FFL at the end. In the 90s they had the ticker but the game still hadnt been tailored to FFL like it has now. Everytime there is a play we get the updated stat in 2 seconds. Every show has their FFL picks and who to watch, people call into radio shows to ask advice about players to play(wasnt the point that you were the head of your team and you have to call some schmuck on the radio to find out which 4th WR to play) and people seem to care more about their Fantasy team than the team they are supposedly fans of. YUCK!

As for poker it isnt the donks that watch ESPN that are the only problem, the culture behind poker these days ridiculous. Everyone thinks they are the next Phil Raymer because they can sit at a 2-4 table at Cantebury with their shades on and their Ipod blaring. (I have people do that at bar tournaments...THOSE ARE FREE!) Listening to people whine because a player beat them legitimately because they didn't follow the betting strategy that is "the right way" is retarded. "The Right Way" doesn't work anymore, that is why all the best players in the world crap out every year in the WSOP. If you lost because a guy played his 8-3 offsuit and decided he would play it to the River...TOO BAD! His strategy worked, and because you were overbetting the whole tie HE won a lot of your money. He didn't play the hand wrong YOU DID because he beat you. (that isnt how I play if/when I play but I dont whine about it when I lose either like the vast majority of the ones I see do)

The arrogance of people who play poker now is astounding to me. 10 years ago it was something to do for fun with buddies, or to kill some time at Cantebury. Now everyone assumes it is their ticket to millions so the fun is gone. That I blame on ESPN and the WPT...

 

[Patman]

Re: What will the 2000's be remembered for?

I don't understand how anybody would complain about playing poker unless people are being annoying or breaking the rules some how. Just because people and cards don't play out the way things would before doesn't change the game. All it tells me is that the regular pool of suckers who acted in a certain way got replaced by a new pool. The only advantage you can have in poker besides the cards and the money is being able to read people and figure out their habits.

 

[Handyman]

Re: What will the 2000's be remembered for?

I don't understand how anybody would complain about playing poker unless people are being annoying or breaking the rules some how. Just because people and cards don't play out the way things would before doesn't change the game. All it tells me is that the regular pool of suckers who acted in a certain way got replaced by a new pool. The only advantage you can have in poker besides the cards and the money is being able to read people and figure out their habits.

But you see that is the problem...the arrogant ones get mad because they CANT read the new guys who go crazy with their strategies. Before fat nobodies started winning tournaments because they spend all day on PokerStars.net it was usually the same pool of people playing who all played it various degrees of the same way. Barring being the blind (or going after a hardcore bluff) you would never play something as atrocious as 8-3 offsuit and if you did bluff you most likely bet a certain way and so on and so on and so on. What the Online players (by them I mean the new generation of poker players) realized was that you have just as good a chance to catch an 8 so you might as well try. (I may be wrong but a couple of years ago the final hand of the WSOP was won by the Aussie dude who played 7-4, worst had to start with) Just because higher cards are showing doesnt mean dumbass across the table has one of those cards. They also realized that there is never a bad time to go all in. Sure it is risky but more often than not it scares the bejesus out of people or an arrogant one will call and look at you you doubled up! It is fun whenever guys like Phil Helmuth fall for that one!

 

[Terrierbyassociation]

Re: What will the 2000's be remembered for?

7-2 OS is the worst hand.

 

[Handyman]

Re: What will the 2000's be remembered for?

7-2 OS is the worst hand.

That is right it is...and I think that is what he won with but I cant remember. Not that it matters.

 

[Terrierbyassociation]

Re: What will the 2000's be remembered for?

But I hear you, even in our now defunct weekly poker game, we would have guys who would randomly show up and play just about every god forsaken hand known to man. We all were used to each others patterns. Then it would drive us crazy when new people would play every hand under the sun just for the hell of it. Well at that point it has nothing to do with any skill and everything to do with luck.

I mean, the best hand pocket aces wins almost 94 percent of the time against 7-2 offsuit. Would you bet your life even in that situation? Guys who bet every hand might as well just bet money on the flip of a coin.

 

[redwing77]

Re: What will the 2000's be remembered for?

Ok, I don't have the right word to describe it but...

The glorification of public shootings. I can't remember how many random shootings in public or populated areas there have been since 2001, or how many the previous decade, but it seems like those from 2001 to now seem to get more press.

And glorification is the wrong word because I know the media isn't trying to promote such behavior...but they're dedicating countless hours to it.

With that, I'd also say the expansion of 24 hour news... or was this something that became more prevalent in the late 90s? 24 hour news isn't new to the 2000s, but it seems like it is more important or more widely viewed now.

 

[The Rube]

Re: What will the 2000's be remembered for?

FFL in the 90s was nothing like it is now. I refuse to even entertain the notion of playing anymore and I enjoy football ten times as much as I did when I played FFL at the end. In the 90s they had the ticker but the game still hadnt been tailored to FFL like it has now. Everytime there is a play we get the updated stat in 2 seconds. Every show has their FFL picks and who to watch, people call into radio shows to ask advice about players to play(wasnt the point that you were the head of your team and you have to call some schmuck on the radio to find out which 4th WR to play) and people seem to care more about their Fantasy team than the team they are supposedly fans of. YUCK!

As for poker it isnt the donks that watch ESPN that are the only problem, the culture behind poker these days ridiculous. Everyone thinks they are the next Phil Raymer because they can sit at a 2-4 table at Cantebury with their shades on and their Ipod blaring. (I have people do that at bar tournaments...THOSE ARE FREE!) Listening to people whine because a player beat them legitimately because they didn't follow the betting strategy that is "the right way" is retarded. "The Right Way" doesn't work anymore, that is why all the best players in the world crap out every year in the WSOP. If you lost because a guy played his 8-3 offsuit and decided he would play it to the River...TOO BAD! His strategy worked, and because you were overbetting the whole tie HE won a lot of your money. He didn't play the hand wrong YOU DID because he beat you. (that isnt how I play if/when I play but I dont whine about it when I lose either like the vast majority of the ones I see do)

The arrogance of people who play poker now is astounding to me. 10 years ago it was something to do for fun with buddies, or to kill some time at Cantebury. Now everyone assumes it is their ticket to millions so the fun is gone. That I blame on ESPN and the WPT...

1. I see your point on FFL, and yes, callers who ask who to start are morons. You are the coach. Not the talking heads. Many of us have been in FFL for many years (18 years here) and the only difference between someone like me and the guys on the radio is they are getting paid to make an educated guess (which really, that's all it is).

2. And as for the donks, it's a big reason I don't play internet poker anymore. I got mad too often. Yes, I know that you want those idiotic calls, because the stats back you in those cases. It's the people who fail to see why they shouldn't have called your raise, and then re-raise, with a bad starting hand preflop, etc. They always say "I had a feeling" or "It's my favorite hand" or "I knew you were bluffing" etc etc. It's never "wow, got lucky on that one." Sure, you take some chances. It's part of the game. We've all played dumb hands. But we also realize that those were dumb plays.

I also agree that too many people think you can win big if you sorta know how to play. ESPN/etc doesn't show the grinders who might not make next month's rent if they don't win, or whatever. Or how many times everyone folds to the blinds.

 

[Rolevio]

Re: What will the 2000's be remembered for?

FFL in the 90s was nothing like it is now. I refuse to even entertain the notion of playing anymore and I enjoy football ten times as much as I did when I played FFL at the end. In the 90s they had the ticker but the game still hadnt been tailored to FFL like it has now. Everytime there is a play we get the updated stat in 2 seconds. Every show has their FFL picks and who to watch, people call into radio shows to ask advice about players to play(wasnt the point that you were the head of your team and you have to call some schmuck on the radio to find out which 4th WR to play) and people seem to care more about their Fantasy team than the team they are supposedly fans of. YUCK!

As for poker it isnt the donks that watch ESPN that are the only problem, the culture behind poker these days ridiculous. Everyone thinks they are the next Phil Raymer because they can sit at a 2-4 table at Cantebury with their shades on and their Ipod blaring. (I have people do that at bar tournaments...THOSE ARE FREE!) Listening to people whine because a player beat them legitimately because they didn't follow the betting strategy that is "the right way" is retarded. "The Right Way" doesn't work anymore, that is why all the best players in the world crap out every year in the WSOP. If you lost because a guy played his 8-3 offsuit and decided he would play it to the River...TOO BAD! His strategy worked, and because you were overbetting the whole tie HE won a lot of your money. He didn't play the hand wrong YOU DID because he beat you. (that isnt how I play if/when I play but I dont whine about it when I lose either like the vast majority of the ones I see do)

The arrogance of people who play poker now is astounding to me. 10 years ago it was something to do for fun with buddies, or to kill some time at Cantebury. Now everyone assumes it is their ticket to millions so the fun is gone. That I blame on ESPN and the WPT...

I couldn't agree more with everything you said. I became annoyed when sport sites began dedicating as many articles to fantasy as actual sport articles. But I became disgusted one day when I went to catch a game at a bar and half the bar was full of people on their laptops following the game and one of them asked the bartender to change the TV off the patriots game (The hometown team, and that was the only TV showing that game on that half of the bar) to a Cleveland Browns game because he couldn't get a good view of the TV showing the Browns that was 5' away and he had one of the Brown's players.

 

[The Rube]

Re: What will the 2000's be remembered for?

I couldn't agree more with everything you said. I became annoyed when sport sites began dedicating as many articles to fantasy as actual sport articles. But I became disgusted one day when I went to catch a game at a bar and half the bar was full of people on their laptops following the game and one of them asked the bartender to change the TV off the patriots game (The hometown team, and that was the only TV showing that game on that half of the bar) to a Cleveland Browns game because he couldn't get a good view of the TV showing the Browns that was 5' away and he had one of the Brown's players.

See, that's pathetic. I've gone to the same bar (Old Chicago) on Sundays for the last 5 years or so. There are 8 tvs in the bar area.

1. The Vikings will be on two tvs.
2. The Packers will be on one tv (two if MN isn't on).
3. The Patriots will be on (bartender and some staff are MA transplants)(one tv, two if MN/GB are not on).

The leftover tvs are usually left up to the couple of us (me and two other ladies, yes ladies, yes they have SO's) to choose what games they show. Yes, we choose according to FFL, but we understand the "hometown" rules. We get it.

There's being into FFL, and there's being an idiot in FFL.

 

[MinnesotaNorthStar]

Re: What will the 2000's be remembered for?

See, that's pathetic. I've gone to the same bar (Old Chicago) on Sundays for the last 5 years or so. There are 8 tvs in the bar area.

1. The Vikings will be on two tvs.
2. The Packers will be on one tv (two if MN isn't on).
3. The Patriots will be on (bartender and some staff are MA transplants)(one tv, two if MN/GB are not on).

The leftover tvs are usually left up to the couple of us (me and two other ladies, yes ladies, yes they have SO's) to choose what games they show. Yes, we choose according to FFL, but we understand the "hometown" rules. We get it.

There's being into FFL, and there's being an idiot in FFL.

I like to call the latter...the majority.