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Wednesday NCAA Hockey - The Road to Lewiston begins - and that's no snow job!

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bakdraft21 said:
I think the bottom line is we all want to see the top teams,and I can say without a problem, salem is NOT a top team,they did play by the rules and get the aq, but after that,your guess is as good as anybodys......ps i would put the top 6 teams in the SUNYAC in b4 Salem.
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I understand your point, but making fair for all students athletes is what is being attempted by the autobids. Maybe we need a NIT hockey tourney for the "Snubbed" teams!
 
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Hey Russell I hate to see the Genny game if Nichols is worse than this,I turned it off at 8-1:eek:..I know we will be in for a duzszszssie at the Campus center for sure.
 
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NUProf said:
What is really the issue is the ratio of Pool A to Pool C bids and the number of upsets in the league tournaments. Most likely if Trinity and Geneseo had won their tournaments, Bowdoin and Oswego wouldnt be in, and that would have freed up a couple of Pool B slots.
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I don't believe that Trinity and Geneseo winning would have freed up a couple of Pool B spots. The number of Pool B spots is determined by the 6.5 teams to 1 post season team ratio. Trinity and Geneseo winning may have allowed an unsuccessful team or two competing for Pool B to have been competitive for a Pool C bid. There can only be 1 Pool B this year with only 11 team Pool B teams. There would need to be 13 teams in Pool B to get 2 Pool B bids.
 
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Re: Wednesday NCAA Hockey - The Road to Lewiston begins - and that's no snow job!

I hope that they continue to play their game. If it gets to "no clas" status it will be embarassing , but you can't let up. Maybe experiment with new line combinations but if you slack off, people can get hurt and its harder to get back into the killer mode in the next game.
 
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Laker28 said:
The theory is these teams will get better if they have something to play for, the reality is they won't and this is the type of thing you get.
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I'm one of the few remaining posters from the past millennium, and was one of the few that actually supported the ECAC/NE getting their auto-bid on the premise that the weaker leagues would get better. "It's for the overall good of D3 hockey" we were told. This concession was at the expense of better clubs missing the tourney.

It's been 15 years now, and the weaker leagues improved for a couple of seasons, but are simply not getting better, they're getting worse. The hypothesis failed.
 
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You need more East/West and games for 1. Not enough crossover games to make a fair assessment. Not enough games period. That 12th team still will feel like they got the shaft. Embarrassing, sure. You take those MASCAC and NE teams away and Norwich doesn't even get a Pool C bid I don't think (ratio). Too many Pool A's not enough Pool C's. 64 teams fighting for 3 spots......too many teams have become relevant in DIII IMO
 
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Salem's string of not beating Norwich this century looks to be intact.
1999-2000 2-9, 2-3
2001-01 1-3
2001-02 0-4, 0-1
2002-03 3-7, 1-5
2003-04 3-7, 4-7
2004-05 0-3
2005-06 1-1
2006-07 1-5
2007-08 2-6, 2-8
2008-09 3 - 6
 
Re: Wednesday NCAA Hockey - The Road to Lewiston begins - and that's no snow job!

The NCAA believes, and will continue to believe, that their tournaments are about conference participation, with a few (or more) bids thrown to the deserving schools that don't win their conference. That won't change. The best we can hope for is an expanded tournament, and more teams going to established conferences to increase the A-to-C ratio. While itd be great to have a true championship tournament of the best teams, a tournament of champions is what we will always have.

Also, there's no such thing as "no class" in the playoffs, that's a regular season anomaly.

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Cadet Color Man said:
By ugly do you mean overly physical or do you mean blowout scores?
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I think blowouts. All three of those teams that I think can advance are physical, deep, with a ton of skill. They will play whistle to whistle and are disciplined from the games I watched them play UWEC this year. I haven't seen Adrian play so I can't comment on them or the east. But if the eastern representatives haven't dramatically improved compared to what I watched last year I think the Western teams will dominate with SNC prevailing.
 
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elbojpb said:
For heaven's sake, Norwich is consistently only sending two guys into the offensive zone. That's more classless than thrashing the pants off the opponents.
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I knew this was not going to be close, but I was hoping for closer. The sad thing is Salem may have switched leagues, but they just still can't play with Norwich.
 
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neumyer said:
I don't believe that Trinity and Geneseo winning would have freed up a couple of Pool B spots. The number of Pool B spots is determined by the 6.5 teams to 1 post season team ratio. Trinity and Geneseo winning may have allowed an unsuccessful team or two competing for Pool B to have been competitive for a Pool C bid. There can only be 1 Pool B this year with only 11 team Pool B teams. There would need to be 13 teams in Pool B to get 2 Pool B bids.
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It would have freed them up for other teams - If Geneseo were the winner, then I don't think the board's beloved Oswego gets in before Plattsburgh for example. I don't mean that there would be more Pool C slots, (if I typed a B instead of a C it was a typo), but that some of the teams that were farther down the pecking order would have had a better chance at it. If Bowdoin isn't in, somebody better would be in.
 
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Blugold Hockey said:
I think blowouts. All three of those teams that I think can advance are physical, deep, with a ton of skill. They will play whistle to whistle and are disciplined from the games I watched them play UWEC this year. I haven't seen Adrian play so I can't comment on them or the east. But if the eastern representatives haven't dramatically improved compared to what I watched last year I think the Western teams will dominate with SNC prevailing.
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I only saw Superior and MSOE in person this year so I cannot comment on the strength of the west as a whole, but I have seen some SNC, Adrian and St. Thomas on their webcasts. SNC seems, to me, like the most complete team in the West.
 
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I only saw SNC early in the season, but I've never heard of or read about a SNC team getting worse as the season went on. However, who saw the Broncos getting absolutely smoked in the Super Bowl? They still have to play the games, but I think SNC will prevail.
 
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elbojpb said:
After watching the complete dominance of NU (whom you infer should not be in the tourney) over Salem in that period, I'm now a full-fledged proponent of abolishing the AQs, and throwing all 11 bids into Pool C. Should the other two play-in games go as this one is heading (South) - the entire first round is a mockery of hockey. It's akin to awarding "participation" awards in youth sports. Can someone convince my why we shouldn't be watching P'burgh, Trinity, or even Utica tonight instead of this embarrassment?
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You were inferring, he was implying.

Yeah, I'd rather the play-in round be more tightly contested, but you can't do away with conference AQ`s who meet the correct criteria. I'd really just like to see a 16 team tourney, but understand the regulations regarding that.
 
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