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WCHA Thread IV
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TonyTheTiger20
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Really fascinating post. Had they not done that you think we would see something along the lines of the baseball for boys/softball for girls split we see today?
Read this post before I saw who posted it and did a spit take when I looked.
Really fascinating post. Had they not done that you think we would see something along the lines of the baseball for boys/softball for girls split we see today?
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Possibly. From my limited POV, it would, at minimum, have delayed or killed the addition of women's hockey as a college varsity sport in the Upper Midwest. That's why Julie Otto Greely, the first captain at Minnesota, initially went to Northeastern to play hockey. I don't know if Kessel would have played ringette or just have gone out east to play hockey.
pokechecker
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I understand, gotta pretend you are ignoring me
What many today may not know is that girls played hockey in the 70’s but it died out, at least where I lived, because the best players went to play with the boys. The significant thing there was that their fathers, who were the guys that coached and ran the league went with them and the league struggled to fill their void. The void was partially filled by having a gym hockey league, it was obvious girls wanted to play hockey.
Years later 2 of the 3 schools in the school district I lived had ringette teams, the players were given a vote whether to keep it or not when the MSHL approved hockey, but it was only advisory, the school board was not bound by it. But 100% of the players voted for hockey, not one for ringette, and parents and coaches were also in favor although it may have been that a few parents were afraid to go against the tide. The school board’s decision was easy and all 3 schools immediately went to work to have girls hockey at their school the next year (ironically the one that didn’t have ringette won the 1st state hockey championship). The school district where I had attended as a student/grew up also immediately began to form teams at their 2 schools and fielded teams the inaugural year too, and one made the 1st state tournament. That these schools could form teams so quickly and be good at it showed there were plenty of girls already interested and/or playing hockey in some form, and many more were interested.
I understand, gotta pretend you are ignoring me
What many today may not know is that girls played hockey in the 70’s but it died out, at least where I lived, because the best players went to play with the boys. The significant thing there was that their fathers, who were the guys that coached and ran the league went with them and the league struggled to fill their void. The void was partially filled by having a gym hockey league, it was obvious girls wanted to play hockey.
Years later 2 of the 3 schools in the school district I lived had ringette teams, the players were given a vote whether to keep it or not when the MSHL approved hockey, but it was only advisory, the school board was not bound by it. But 100% of the players voted for hockey, not one for ringette, and parents and coaches were also in favor although it may have been that a few parents were afraid to go against the tide. The school board’s decision was easy and all 3 schools immediately went to work to have girls hockey at their school the next year (ironically the one that didn’t have ringette won the 1st state hockey championship). The school district where I had attended as a student/grew up also immediately began to form teams at their 2 schools and fielded teams the inaugural year too, and one made the 1st state tournament. That these schools could form teams so quickly and be good at it showed there were plenty of girls already interested and/or playing hockey in some form, and many more were interested.
Ted Knight
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Never heard of ringette so I looked it up. Invented by Canadians in 1963. No wonder the girls in Canada are so good with their sticks. Mobile shuffleboard on ice. Thank GOD it died out.
I understand, gotta pretend you are ignoring me
What many today may not know is that girls played hockey in the 70’s but it died out, at least where I lived, because the best players went to play with the boys. The significant thing there was that their fathers, who were the guys that coached and ran the league went with them and the league struggled to fill their void. The void was partially filled by having a gym hockey league, it was obvious girls wanted to play hockey.
Years later 2 of the 3 schools in the school district I lived had ringette teams, the players were given a vote whether to keep it or not when the MSHL approved hockey, but it was only advisory, the school board was not bound by it. But 100% of the players voted for hockey, not one for ringette, and parents and coaches were also in favor although it may have been that a few parents were afraid to go against the tide. The school board’s decision was easy and all 3 schools immediately went to work to have girls hockey at their school the next year (ironically the one that didn’t have ringette won the 1st state hockey championship). The school district where I had attended as a student/grew up also immediately began to form teams at their 2 schools and fielded teams the inaugural year too, and one made the 1st state tournament. That these schools could form teams so quickly and be good at it showed there were plenty of girls already interested and/or playing hockey in some form, and many more were interested.
Never heard of ringette so I looked it up. Invented by Canadians in 1963. No wonder the girls in Canada are so good with their sticks. Mobile shuffleboard on ice. Thank GOD it died out.
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It used to be the case in Ontario as well back in the 60s-early 80s that girls were directed into Ringette rather than hockey and it was more popular. In my view it was sexist thinking that the powers that be thought it was a better female equivalent and girls really didn't get to make their own choice. Girls were not typically allowed to play hockey until girls like Justine Blainey lobbied in court to be able to play on boys teams. Eventually, once the women's world championships for hockey increased the profile of the sport, far more girls started playing hockey vs ringette--or switched over, girls hockey leagues were formed as an option, and ringette has basically pretty much died out. Thank God.
It used to be the case in Ontario as well back in the 60s-early 80s that girls were directed into Ringette rather than hockey and it was more popular. In my view it was sexist thinking that the powers that be thought it was a better female equivalent and girls really didn't get to make their own choice. Girls were not typically allowed to play hockey until girls like Justine Blainey lobbied in court to be able to play on boys teams. Eventually, once the women's world championships for hockey increased the profile of the sport, far more girls started playing hockey vs ringette--or switched over, girls hockey leagues were formed as an option, and ringette has basically pretty much died out. Thank God.
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pokechecker
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the fathers coaching the girls teams and who fought for ice time sure didn't have a problem with their daughters playing hockey
true, but it was as much the fact that the people making the decisions were out of touch, a generation thing, often older without school age daughters, if they had daughters of the age they'd have better understood
the fathers coaching the girls teams and who fought for ice time sure didn't have a problem with their daughters playing hockey
giwan
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I've actually seen it played in Ontario as I was waiting for a hockey game. HORRIBLE
I've actually seen it played in Ontario as I was waiting for a hockey game. HORRIBLE
beaverhockeyfan
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BSU has their season preview up!
http://www.bsubeavers.com/whockey/n...i-state-womens-hockey-2014-15-season-preview/
BSU has their season preview up!
http://www.bsubeavers.com/whockey/n...i-state-womens-hockey-2014-15-season-preview/
I don't like the sport nearly as much as hockry!
FiveHoleFrenzy
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I'm envisioning an e otherwise I have no clue. which is pretty much true most of the time
I'm envisioning an e otherwise I have no clue. which is pretty much true most of the time
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96IllinoisDad
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2014-15 WCHA Head Coaches' Preseason Poll
Rank Team (1st place votes) Points
1 Minnesota (6) 48
2 Wisconsin (2) 44
3 Minnesota Duluth 34
4 North Dakota 33
5 Ohio State 26
6 Minnesota State 17
7 Bemidji State 13
8 St. Cloud State 9
(note: coaches could not vote for their own teams in the poll and points were awarded on a 7-6-5-4-3-2-1 system)
WCHA Preseason Player of the Year (votes)
Hannah Brandt,. Jr., F, Minnesota (8)
WCHA Preseason Rookie of the Year (votes)
Annie Pankowksi, F, Wisconsin (6); Baylee Wellhausen, F, Wisconsin and Cara Piazza, F, Minnesota (1)
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2014-15 WCHA Head Coaches' Preseason Poll
Rank Team (1st place votes) Points
1 Minnesota (6) 48
2 Wisconsin (2) 44
3 Minnesota Duluth 34
4 North Dakota 33
5 Ohio State 26
6 Minnesota State 17
7 Bemidji State 13
8 St. Cloud State 9
(note: coaches could not vote for their own teams in the poll and points were awarded on a 7-6-5-4-3-2-1 system)
WCHA Preseason Player of the Year (votes)
Hannah Brandt,. Jr., F, Minnesota (8)
WCHA Preseason Rookie of the Year (votes)
Annie Pankowksi, F, Wisconsin (6); Baylee Wellhausen, F, Wisconsin and Cara Piazza, F, Minnesota (1)
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Re: WCHA Thread IV
I've been leaning UMD over UND lately also. Loss of Tapani, And major scramble in Duluth to try to get her mojo back.
I've been leaning UMD over UND lately also. Loss of Tapani, And major scramble in Duluth to try to get her mojo back.
driventoit
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I know it's part of the scenery, but I find these preseason conference polls a little weird. Fans and journalists are all about anticipating and speculating while waiting for the season to start, but for coaches to, in effect, predict the relative success of their professional peers' programs seems to dismiss the polite but useful fiction of "that's why they play the game." At least they could draw the line at predicting POTY and ROTY for the simple reason that these young women already have pressure aplenty. I love polls, but keep the preseason ones away from the coaches!
I know it's part of the scenery, but I find these preseason conference polls a little weird. Fans and journalists are all about anticipating and speculating while waiting for the season to start, but for coaches to, in effect, predict the relative success of their professional peers' programs seems to dismiss the polite but useful fiction of "that's why they play the game." At least they could draw the line at predicting POTY and ROTY for the simple reason that these young women already have pressure aplenty. I love polls, but keep the preseason ones away from the coaches!
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ARM
Fan of chipmunk-like mascots.
Just about all leagues do it in most college sports, because they want to generate some publicity and there haven't been any games played to discuss. It's harmless, and to a large degree, they follow the party line of the standings from the previous season. POTY is usually the highest returning scorer from the year before. ROTY is most telling when the winner is a unanimous pick or nearly so, such as Pankowski. She was going to have some pressure on her in any case as a late cut from the Olympic team. Coaches picking her as their preseason ROTY doesn't magnify that appreciably.
driventoit
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ARM
Fan of chipmunk-like mascots.
I'm not in marketing, so I'm not the one who has to make a sacrifice. As a fan, I'd let go of preseason POTY easy enough, because it doesn't tell me anything and is often wrong. I've always like the ROTY, just because I don't know a lot about some of the new players but the coaches have scouted the players for years and have a good idea of who will make a splash. They do have a harder time predicting early success by the Europeans, just because they are less familiar. I don't see the point of a pre-season CotY, because the best coach is the one who does the most with the pieces available, and that is very tough to forecast. I'd worry that the same coach would be recognized every year and make it meaningless. Plus with the just the coaches voting, it would turn into a popularity contest.... will you give up POTY and ROTY for a preseason COTY, where it is understood that a coach can't vote for him- or herself?
driventoit
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