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WCHA 2020-21: We Can Do Better than Two Bids and Eight Teams Exiting

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MavHockey14 said:
MSU wants to be an NCHC school — schedule the non conference in a way that shows a commitment to a high level of hockey. Simple.

Additionally, while next season’s squad won’t be as good as this season’s arguable best in school history, Hastings and co. have recruited at a very high level consistently, and are much more a reload than a rebuild program at this point.
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Sounds good. So how about those high level hockey schools schedule ASU? Both have to agree to a schedule. ASU should not have to pay their travel costs to Tempe just like ASU should not require those schools to pay ASU's travel costs. Its a cost of having a college hockey team.
 
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bravohankins said:
I'm a BG alum and live in PHX. I used to play men's league at Oceanside for years and years. I am very familiar with BG/CCHA/WCHA and ASU's program going all the way back to the early ACHA club days. I have seen them play numerous times the last few years, as well as attended numerous BG games, as my parents still live in the Toledo area.

ASU is on the same level as BG, Tech, NMU, BSU talent wise. They have made, or would have made the tourney the last two years, while the mentioned WCHA programs have been on the outside looking in and in general not really all that close to say the 14th spot. I know BSU was in the mix this year, but they were one more loss from being outside the bubble.

So has ASU used their INDY status to their benefit.....I would say yes. Are they "gaming the system"....not sure I would say that.

Look Oceanside is a dump, they've tried to polish it up, but a t*urd is still a t*urd. It's hard to get teams to come out here and play in that hole, much less good teams. They have scheduled the teams that would play them here and have tried to have some decent road series as well....

Now if once they get the new facility up they are still loading up on AH schools.....I would say then, yes they are gaming it.
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I agree wholeheartedly with you. But after the new facility is up, if teams request ASU to pay for their travel costs and only AH schools are willing to show and pay their own way then I would not say they are gaming it.
 
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Sol Diablo said:
Sounds good. So how about those high level hockey schools schedule ASU? Both have to agree to a schedule. ASU should not have to pay their travel costs to Tempe just like ASU should not require those schools to pay ASU's travel costs. Its a cost of having a college hockey team.
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Tell that to Huntsville and see what they say.
 
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Sol Diablo said:
I agree wholeheartedly with you. But after the new facility is up, if teams request ASU to pay for their travel costs and only AH schools are willing to show and pay their own way then I would not say they are gaming it.
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Without travel subsidies why would a team want to travel to ASU when they can easily fill their schedule with easier and cheaper travel? I see it as established teams doing ASU a favour by helping them schedule games. Any time there is a new kid on the block, I think it's in the best interest for all of college hockey when existing teams agree to play games. But they should not be expected to blow their budget just so a team in the desert can have a home series in a rink that is barely suitable for squirts.

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MTUHuskies said:
Without travel subsidies why would a team want to travel to ASU when they can easily fill their schedule with easier and cheaper travel? I see it as established teams doing ASU a favour by helping them schedule games. Any time there is a new kid on the block, I think it's in the best interest for all of college hockey when existing teams agree to play games. But they should not be expected to blow their budget just so a team in the desert can have a home series in a rink that is barely suitable for squirts.

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Those tickets & hotels to Phoenix in January & February can actually run more than the Alaska trips.
 
Sol Diablo said:
Sounds good. So how about those high level hockey schools schedule ASU? Both have to agree to a schedule. ASU should not have to pay their travel costs to Tempe just like ASU should not require those schools to pay ASU's travel costs. Its a cost of having a college hockey team.
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Trust me, you’re pushing a boulder uphill on the travel subsidy issue with regards to any WCHA program that doesn’t have Fairbanks, Anchorage, or Huntsville in its name. ASU is a great scheduling partner for UAF...you actually pay your own way!
 
MTUHuskies said:
Without travel subsidies why would a team want to travel to ASU when they can easily fill their schedule with easier and cheaper travel? I see it as established teams doing ASU a favour by helping them schedule games. Any time there is a new kid on the block, I think it's in the best interest for all of college hockey when existing teams agree to play games. But they should not be expected to blow their budget just so a team in the desert can have a home series in a rink that is barely suitable for squirts.

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Preach.
 
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manurespreader said:
Tell that to Huntsville and see what they say.
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Good question! I don't know anybody there to talk to. What have you heard? I have heard on various article discussion sites that some folks thought they and the Alaska schools got ripped off after having paid NCAA fees, then WCHA fees, then paying WCHA teams to travel to play them, then getting dumped by WCHA. Some thought that it was barely legal extortion to have to pay teams to play them after paying both NCAA & WCHA fees. I suppose it just the vocal few that felt that way.
 
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MTUHuskies said:
Without travel subsidies why would a team want to travel to ASU when they can easily fill their schedule with easier and cheaper travel? I see it as established teams doing ASU a favour by helping them schedule games. Any time there is a new kid on the block, I think it's in the best interest for all of college hockey when existing teams agree to play games. But they should not be expected to blow their budget just so a team in the desert can have a home series in a rink that is barely suitable for squirts.

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I think you are onto something here. Maybe teams that have such tight budgets that they can't travel much should change from D1 hockey to D2, D3 or go club. Much cheaper for them. Of maybe we follow the lead of college football. We set up a D1a (FBS) & D1aa (FCS) with different funding requirements. D1a can then pay D1aa to come play them.
 
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davyd83 said:
Those tickets & hotels to Phoenix in January & February can actually run more than the Alaska trips.
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Only if you stay at a resort, otherwise they are comparable to anywhere else.
 
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I looked at the last 4 years of teams visiting Tempe. From WCHA it has only been MTU, Huntsville and the Alaska schools. Not sure that it means anything other than thanks for coming!
 
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MTUHuskies said:
Without travel subsidies why would a team want to travel to ASU when they can easily fill their schedule with easier and cheaper travel? I see it as established teams doing ASU a favour by helping them schedule games. Any time there is a new kid on the block, I think it's in the best interest for all of college hockey when existing teams agree to play games. But they should not be expected to blow their budget just so a team in the desert can have a home series in a rink that is barely suitable for squirts.

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Why would ASU pay CCHA teams to play in Phoenix when other teams will fill their schedule and pay their own way? In five years CCHA teams will mostly be a skid mark in ASU’s rear view mirror. I doubt they need any favors from the CCHA.

But I’m glad you support scheduling that is in the best interest of college hockey. But that seems to ring a little hollow. The UA_ schools highly subsidize travel costs. The subsidy was set by agreement to equate to a net cost similar to what it cost a school to travel to their costliest non-UA_ school. I have no reason to believe that is not what is happening. Travel costs is a false narrative. Lots of BS there.

Maybe I'm wrong. We’ll know in 2021-22. If so, I'd expect LSSU and FSU coaching salaries and recruiting budgets to sky rocket with the tremendous travel savings. I have no idea what the other CCHA schools will do with their windfall.
 
Sol Diablo said:
I looked at the last 4 years of teams visiting Tempe. From WCHA it has only been MTU, Huntsville and the Alaska schools. Not sure that it means anything other than thanks for coming!
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Nooks are headed back in January, I’m planning on making the trip. Easy from the PNW.
 
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Squarebanks said:
Nooks are headed back in January, I’m planning on making the trip. Easy from the PNW.
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ASU has not released their schedule yet. Typically the last team to do such as it takes time for negotiations to fill in the blank dates being there are not yet in a conference. I suspect most all the conferences have to get their schedules square within their conference before scheduling OOC. The schedule should be released in another week or 10 days.
But, hopefully hockey is played in the Fall!
Quite a few Alaska snowbirds down in Phx during the winter so once the arena is built it should be much easier to get tix.
Hopefully we can meet up & I'll buy you an Alaskan Amber (best Dusseldorf Alt style beer made outside of Dusseldorf!) or maybe a San Tan Devil's Ale!
 
Sol Diablo said:
ASU has not released their schedule yet. Typically the last team to do such as it takes time for negotiations to fill in the blank dates being there are not yet in a conference. I suspect most all the conferences have to get their schedules square within their conference before scheduling OOC. The schedule should be released in another week or 10 days.
But, hopefully hockey is played in the Fall!
Quite a few Alaska snowbirds down in Phx during the winter so once the arena is built it should be much easier to get tix.
Hopefully we can meet up & I'll buy you an Alaskan Amber (best Dusseldorf Alt style beer made outside of Dusseldorf!) or maybe a San Tan Devil's Ale!
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I’ve heard that UAF/ASU have an ongoing home and home schedule agreement. Lots of A-bear sweaters in the building when we went in October 2018.
 
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