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Vermont 2023/24: Stuck in the Wieds

Cat lover said:
Northeastern has no one to blame but themselves for not having a camera that can show the whole blueline, come on replay has been around for years. Maybe spend less money on a huge scoreboard and a few bucks on proper replay cameras...
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First of all, UVM deserved to win so no argument there. But I do take you to task on your comment, which doesn't seem to grasp the underlying issue. The replay cameras did indeed show the whole blueline. The issue is that a UVM attacker was so far inside the blue line (down below the tops of the circles) when the puck crossed that he was out of range. The blue line cameras are positioned to show the blue line--not the entire attacking zone.

Beyond that, replay camera positioning and related replay requirements are prescribed by the league. AFAIK, Northeastern's video setup is in full compliance.

The ruling was that the initial onside ruling could not be reversed because of a lack of "clear and convincing evidence" that the play was offside. (Because the offside player was so far offside that the blue line cameras could not pick him up). Bizarre, to say the least.

Not making any accusations here but it has been alleged that the linesman on the blue line is a UVM grad. Again, no accusations but not a good look if true.
 
Disappointed in the loss on Saturday. Completely dominated the 1st period but came away with no goals. Can’t score 1 goal and expect to win. They were the better team possession wise most of the night.
 
Split-N said:
First of all, UVM deserved to win so no argument there. But I do take you to task on your comment, which doesn't seem to grasp the underlying issue. The replay cameras did indeed show the whole blueline. The issue is that a UVM attacker was so far inside the blue line (down below the tops of the circles) when the puck crossed that he was out of range. The blue line cameras are positioned to show the blue line--not the entire attacking zone.

Beyond that, replay camera positioning and related replay requirements are prescribed by the league. AFAIK, Northeastern's video setup is in full compliance.

The ruling was that the initial onside ruling could not be reversed because of a lack of "clear and convincing evidence" that the play was offside. (Because the offside player was so far offside that the blue line cameras could not pick him up). Bizarre, to say the least.

Not making any accusations here but it has been alleged that the linesman on the blue line is a UVM grad. Again, no accusations but not a good look if true.
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To make the call for offsides the camera needs to show 2 things, first when does the puck enter the zone and when does the player and the replay angle they showed on the ESPN+ broadcast wasn't able to do that leaving part of the blueline blind maybe they had other looks. I dont see how any camera that showed the whole line could not be backed up 1 second or 1 hour to show when a player entered the zone and that the puck had not yet entered.
 
For all of the above, "NU needs a new replay system that shows the whole blue line", we were joking that the guy was so far inside the line, he may as well have been hiding behind the net, therefore he wasn't visible in the replay, and the goal should be confirmed..... :o

Even Mark Divver posted on X, something to the effect of, "the only thing to be confirmed in the review was whether he was 5 feet offside or 10 feet offside"........

This, coupled with BU being allowed to have 4 guys playing against 3 for NU for a chunk of overtime, makes me think there is something fishy afoot. Sadly, HE is back to the same old story with their officiating, and nothing will change.
 
Cat lover said:
To make the call for offsides the camera needs to show 2 things, first when does the puck enter the zone and when does the player and the replay angle they showed on the ESPN+ broadcast wasn't able to do that leaving part of the blueline blind maybe they had other looks. I dont see how any camera that showed the whole line could not be backed up 1 second or 1 hour to show when a player entered the zone and that the puck had not yet entered.
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What we see on ESPN+ is the home team's video production (usually just two or maybe three cameras). My understanding is that that there are other camera positions that don't feed the local productions, i.e., officials only. But you raise a good point about the video we saw (or any other video source) not being able to be backed up more than this one was. Again, just bizarre.
 
UVM only has two cameras for ESPN+, and there are the cameras above each goal. I believe UVM has the worst coverage of all HE teams. They have four for basketball but two for hockey. I have a friend that operates one of the ESPN cameras. The problem with that offsides is even if they backed it up you didn’t have a view that showed the player in the zone simultaneously with the other player, you can’t assume the player is still in the zone the whole time. It was a break for Vermont. The only penalty that was really questionable was the tripping call where it looked, to the ref, that our player tripped them but replay showed the player fell on their own.
Split-N said:
What we see on ESPN+ is the home team's video production (usually just two or maybe three cameras). My understanding is that that there are other camera positions that don't feed the local productions, i.e., officials only. But you raise a good point about the video we saw (or any other video source) not being able to be backed up more than this one was. Again, just bizarre.
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5-1 score did not reflect the game. One of those games that you can say you played well despite the loss. BU power play is deadly and was the difference. No replay on the ESPN+ feed on penalties for some reason. Seemed like some generous 5x3 calls for BU. One in the second changed the game. Hate to see that. Best UVM team in years. Love to see it. Need a pure scorer to get to the next level.
 
So much for the league cracking down on embellishments. Two of those penalties were textbook flops but whenever UVM got a call the BU captains complained to the refs like they are being treated so unfair. Seen this game so many times over the years were UVM is staying with or outplaying a top HE team 5 on 5 but the refs turn it into a PP contest which always favors the team loaded with NHL draft picks. BU had 13 I think last night including all 6 D-MEN.

Great to see the full house last night thou I thought the band could have done more to get the student section going. Dont remember a single GO CATS GO chant.
 
Is there a way to buy tickets tonight? I saw it was a sell out already … more than a little hard to believe after the few games I’ve been to the last several years.
 
Cat lover said:
So much for the league cracking down on embellishments. Two of those penalties were textbook flops but whenever UVM got a call the BU captains complained to the refs like they are being treated so unfair. Seen this game so many times over the years were UVM is staying with or outplaying a top HE team 5 on 5 but the refs turn it into a PP contest which always favors the team loaded with NHL draft picks. BU had 13 I think last night including all 6 D-MEN.

Great to see the full house last night thou I thought the band could have done more to get the student section going. Dont remember a single GO CATS GO chant.
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The band did their cowbell thing. There was a U-V-M chant. We do need more spontaneous Go Cats Go chants. They used to be automatic after an opponent's goal. But, they come from the crowd not the band. I tried starting some from center ice, but they didn't get picked up by the endzone crowd. Before the cowbell prompt tradition, the band used to have a three beat prompt that worked great. I've heard some GCG chants during the action in recent games. That's a symptom of too much digital music and announcements that drown out the crowd before faceoffs. At least they got rid of the organ music although they still have it at the women's games. Ideally, there won't be any digital music, just crowd chants and the band.

Second Northeastern game, the penalty count dropped to two. That should be better tonight.

Down 5-1 in the dwindling minutes, we passed up yet another opportunity to give Carriere some rest.
 
BU was the better team tonight but UVM still very competitive. Refs 60-40 BU tonight versus 80-20 last night. Floppers.
 
5:11 left in 1st period: Why is 7 for BU allowed to cross-check Walther 4 times? He was laughing by the bench after getting away with that and did more of the same at the end of the game, again unpenalized.
3:05 left in the 1st period: BU clearly interferes with Richards before they reached the puck. If that penalty is called, BU doesn't get their 2nd goal on the rush the other way.
1:05 left in the 3rd period: BU player hitting Muenzenberger in the corner of the UVM zone right in front of the referee who ignored it.

Happy with our offensive zone pressure. Happy to see Mangbo get playing time. Happy with our hustle beating BU to loose pucks often. Unhappy to hear the return of the organ and again, too much music and promotions. Heard some Go Cats Go chants while the play was going on instead of while waiting for faceoffs. Music is completely unnecessary. We have a band! Go to Schneider Arena and you won't hear any fan cheering as they have non-stop music when the play stops. At AIC, it is similar except the music is way too loud. Get rid of the digital music. Do we really need promotional announcements for the Admissions office? In the first period, there was a perfect time for a Go Cats Go chant. Instead we were giving away pizzas!
 
Hockey East officials do a great job at protecting the leagues star teams and I have heard hate to have to come up to VT for weekends while games they do in Mass area they can just go home afterwards. Yea that one at 1:05 was a perfect example of a gutless ref who was only 5 feet away not wanting to do anything. That said BU was the more talented team this weekend but they surely don't need help from the refs as well.
 
Not sure what to make of this weekend other than BU are just stacked. Outside of a few stretches, BU just dominated. Getting see Hutson and Celebrini up close is special. I did think some of the calls were soft, but I also thought the cats took some stupid penalties. Bergmanis in particular. I know grit is a big part of his game but you have to be smarter than that against a team with that kind of Powerplay.

Agreed on that play late in the 3rd. LaChance cross checked Munzenberger like 3 times and challenged him to a fight directly in front of the ref who just stood there watching them.

Not sure what it was like on Friday, but the atmosphere in the Gut needs to improve. The student section was weak. Everyone sitting down. The entire section on left of that side of the rink was empty. The band didn't really do anything to get them involved either. What happened to the "go cat go" chant? Athletics needs to prioritize getting students engaged.
 
Just a comment. Something my college roommate who is now a play-by-play guy told me last year: “lf you haven’t been to a game in awhile, you will be shocked at how the ‘game presentation’ has changed.” He was right…it’s just non-stop music and noise. By the time the game was done, I had a huge headache. I agree with all your sentiments and wish I could be more optimistic, but that’s just the way things are now. Continuous sensory overload.
 
chickod said:
Just a comment. Something my college roommate who is now a play-by-play guy told me last year: “lf you haven’t been to a game in awhile, you will be shocked at how the ‘game presentation’ has changed.” He was right…it’s just non-stop music and noise. By the time the game was done, I had a huge headache. I agree with all your sentiments and wish I could be more optimistic, but that’s just the way things are now. Continuous sensory overload.
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Indeed. I've been going to Princeton once a season most of the past seven years to see Cornell play and post pandemic the canned music, noise, and special effects are heavily overused and take so much away from the experience of the games. They just don't align well at all with the aesthetic of the rink, which is a historic neo-gothic building that is quite intimate and old school
 
Maybe we're just old :D

I do like the new video board a lot, but there is definitely something missing from the Gut experience. Hopefully the team improving and the renovation being completed (fingers crossed on this ever happening) will bring it back. I do think it would be smart for athletics to have the cheer squad in the stands or maybe even try to find some student volunteers to hype up the student section.
 
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