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Vermont 2013-2014 Season Thread : The Golden Year
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I will be there. You should come too and have a few cold ones at the game.
jcarter7669
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Re: Vermont 2013-2014 Season Thread : The Golden Year
I don't think Yale can move up enough without pretty much winning out. Colgate could be a problem. North Dakota losing would help and Providence losing would also be beneficial. I don't think Notre Dame getting swept by BC would be enough of a hit to make a difference. A sweep of UML may turn that PWC for us... Northeastern losing would also be helpful as NH can't win the PWC against UVM and the losses would ensure NU doesn't leapfrog over UVM in the event they got swept. But there are still depends a lot on what happens else where.
I don't think Yale can move up enough without pretty much winning out. Colgate could be a problem. North Dakota losing would help and Providence losing would also be beneficial. I don't think Notre Dame getting swept by BC would be enough of a hit to make a difference. A sweep of UML may turn that PWC for us... Northeastern losing would also be helpful as NH can't win the PWC against UVM and the losses would ensure NU doesn't leapfrog over UVM in the event they got swept. But there are still depends a lot on what happens else where.
jcarter7669
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Re: Vermont 2013-2014 Season Thread : The Golden Year
Considering UVM plays much better on the road then at home, if Hoffman outplays Hellebuyck again it's certainly a reasonable outcome. But then again reasonable has never been attached to your name.
Considering UVM plays much better on the road then at home, if Hoffman outplays Hellebuyck again it's certainly a reasonable outcome. But then again reasonable has never been attached to your name.
Re: Vermont 2013-2014 Season Thread : The Golden Year
If we completely ignore the fact that Lowell has been lights out at home since early November, then sure.
If we completely ignore the fact that Lowell has been lights out at home since early November, then sure.
jcarter7669
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Re: Vermont 2013-2014 Season Thread : The Golden Year
Yeah, that was a pretty impressive win against AIC.
Yeah, that was a pretty impressive win against AIC.
Re: Vermont 2013-2014 Season Thread : The Golden Year
Well it was a win.
There's also the fact that in league games this year the quality of teams hosted for Vermont was significantly higher than the quality of teams visited. Unlike most other HE teams, this isn't a reasonable way to judge a team because the results weren't home-and-home.
In HE games, Vermont hosted Notre Dame (x2), Providence (x2), Amherst, Northeastern, BC (x2) and Lowell (x2) and went 3-7 in those. That's not a good record, but it's also a colossal strength of schedule: .637 overall winning percentage, 198-104-40, or .605, 112-69-24, counting the teams they played twice not counting the teams they played twice as two separate teams, which you really should.
In HE games, Vermont visited Maine (x2), Amherst, Northeastern, BU (x2), UNH (x2), Merrimack (x2) and went 7-3. They should have, because that road SOS is garbage (.435, 74-99-19, as single teams, or .457, 140-169-32 when counting teams played twice separately).
Overall, though, Vermont hasn't outshot its opponents significantly more on the road than at home (326-280 road, 307-268 home) which says they were playing better teams at the Gut but scoring less and giving up more, and could only really dominate bad teams on the scoreboard. That should tell you a lot more than the records alone.
And before you ask or think you have me in GOTCHA, the difference for Lowell home/road in terms of SOS is small (.531/.525 because they hosted ND and visited UVM for two each). However, in terms of performance, it's massive: shots were 324-298 at Tsongas, and goals were 30-17. Away from home, they were outshot 313-331, and outscored 24-26.
So Vermont is about the same at home and on the road in terms of open play against league opponents, while Lowell is significantly better at home. Doesn't bode well for you.
Well it was a win.
There's also the fact that in league games this year the quality of teams hosted for Vermont was significantly higher than the quality of teams visited. Unlike most other HE teams, this isn't a reasonable way to judge a team because the results weren't home-and-home.
In HE games, Vermont hosted Notre Dame (x2), Providence (x2), Amherst, Northeastern, BC (x2) and Lowell (x2) and went 3-7 in those. That's not a good record, but it's also a colossal strength of schedule: .637 overall winning percentage, 198-104-40, or .605, 112-69-24, counting the teams they played twice not counting the teams they played twice as two separate teams, which you really should.
In HE games, Vermont visited Maine (x2), Amherst, Northeastern, BU (x2), UNH (x2), Merrimack (x2) and went 7-3. They should have, because that road SOS is garbage (.435, 74-99-19, as single teams, or .457, 140-169-32 when counting teams played twice separately).
Overall, though, Vermont hasn't outshot its opponents significantly more on the road than at home (326-280 road, 307-268 home) which says they were playing better teams at the Gut but scoring less and giving up more, and could only really dominate bad teams on the scoreboard. That should tell you a lot more than the records alone.
And before you ask or think you have me in GOTCHA, the difference for Lowell home/road in terms of SOS is small (.531/.525 because they hosted ND and visited UVM for two each). However, in terms of performance, it's massive: shots were 324-298 at Tsongas, and goals were 30-17. Away from home, they were outshot 313-331, and outscored 24-26.
So Vermont is about the same at home and on the road in terms of open play against league opponents, while Lowell is significantly better at home. Doesn't bode well for you.
Re: Vermont 2013-2014 Season Thread : The Golden Year
Unlike your last game which was against hmmmm thats right Vermont.
Home ice is something but not everything. Didnt help you beat BC which was your last home game.
Unlike your last game which was against hmmmm thats right Vermont.
Home ice is something but not everything. Didnt help you beat BC which was your last home game.
ScottK
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Re: Vermont 2013-2014 Season Thread : The Golden Year
Didn't lose to BC at home either, which is something Vermont can't claim.
Didn't lose to BC at home either, which is something Vermont can't claim.
Kdaddy1968
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Re: Vermont 2013-2014 Season Thread : The Golden Year
So when do you and Jcarter fast forward to who would win a fight.. might mouse or superman..?
So when do you and Jcarter fast forward to who would win a fight.. might mouse or superman..?
Re: Vermont 2013-2014 Season Thread : The Golden Year
Vermont didnt lose to Sacred Heart at home either....but that was not the point.
I was not the one saying my team was so much better at home...boy you guys really need to learn how to read.
Vermont didnt lose to Sacred Heart at home either....but that was not the point.
I was not the one saying my team was so much better at home...boy you guys really need to learn how to read.
GreenNGold
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Re: Vermont 2013-2014 Season Thread : The Golden Year
Was looking for video of Chris McCarthy hit on UMass player in which he knocked him over the boards, and on to his own bench much to the dismay of Umass coach Micheleto. Did nesn catch it? As I recall he hit him, knocked him over the boards, and then sort of stuffed him down.
Was looking for video of Chris McCarthy hit on UMass player in which he knocked him over the boards, and on to his own bench much to the dismay of Umass coach Micheleto. Did nesn catch it? As I recall he hit him, knocked him over the boards, and then sort of stuffed him down.
HOCKEYGUY23
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I was looking as well. It was the 6'6" dude. If you find post, I'll do the same. It was great!
ScottK
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Re: Vermont 2013-2014 Season Thread : The Golden Year
Speaking of learning how to read, how does a loss to open the season in October contradict this statement?
Speaking of learning how to read, how does a loss to open the season in October contradict this statement?
patronick said:
Re: Vermont 2013-2014 Season Thread : The Golden Year
So what your saying is what happens in the past isnt as important as what happens more resently?
If so then my point on your last opponet (VT) stands.
If not you just contradicted yourself.
You pick.
So what your saying is what happens in the past isnt as important as what happens more resently?
If so then my point on your last opponet (VT) stands.
If not you just contradicted yourself.
You pick.
ScottK
Riverhawk Radio Meteorologist and Statistician
Re: Vermont 2013-2014 Season Thread : The Golden Year
Patronick says that Lowell has been lights out at home since early November.
You bring up a game from October.
Yet I'm the one that contradicted myself?
Patronick says that Lowell has been lights out at home since early November.
You bring up a game from October.
Yet I'm the one that contradicted myself?
jcarter7669
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Re: Vermont 2013-2014 Season Thread : The Golden Year
Except he was responding to YOU not Patronick... you can tell this because it says "originally posted by ScottK"
Patronick says that Lowell has been lights out at home since early November.
You bring up a game from October.
Yet I'm the one that contradicted myself?
Except he was responding to YOU not Patronick... you can tell this because it says "originally posted by ScottK"
jcarter7669
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Re: Vermont 2013-2014 Season Thread : The Golden Year
The one fact that is being overlooked here is that UVM has nothing to lose and everything to gain. UML should beat UVM... its the 2 seed versus the 7 seed... at Tsongas where UML has been "lights out" since november. Should be two easy wins for Lowell. They should come out playing hard, determined and to some degree at ease.
The other obvious thing missing in this discussion is that UVM should be heading to Lowell with some confidence after nearly taking 3 points from the 2nd place team. On the other hand Lowell should be a bit shaken... they very nearly came out of their last weekend of play winless against the very team they are playing.
The one fact that is being overlooked here is that UVM has nothing to lose and everything to gain. UML should beat UVM... its the 2 seed versus the 7 seed... at Tsongas where UML has been "lights out" since november. Should be two easy wins for Lowell. They should come out playing hard, determined and to some degree at ease.
The other obvious thing missing in this discussion is that UVM should be heading to Lowell with some confidence after nearly taking 3 points from the 2nd place team. On the other hand Lowell should be a bit shaken... they very nearly came out of their last weekend of play winless against the very team they are playing.
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