UW-Stout offseason thread

[gojackets]

Re: UW-Stout offseason thread

Advocate, I haven't heard one person try to make the victim out to be a saint. He may very well have made several mistakes leading up to the incident, but it doesn't justify the end result here.

Ive got students that mouth off to me all the time...Would i like to smack them yes...if I did could I use that as a defense...no

 

[XYZ]

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we wont know the truth until the trial.

Yet you outlined three "facts" in the same post.

Clearly my plea to end the ignorant speculation wasn't worth the time. Sadly, I'm not exactly surprised.

Edit: I see you're new here. Are you another BDR alias, or not? My count is at five....can we make it six?

 

[powerofyellowandblack]

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Fact: BlueDevilAdvocate is an a..hole

You win the internet.

 

[joeyc3402]

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Third, and lastly, BlueDevilRadio is unable to comment on the USCHO.com forums due to his position at the University of Wisconsin - Stout, and due to the on-going investigation and likely trial that will follow. That being said: the comment stated earlier in the forum still stands.

...care to elaborate on HOW it's not a hockey team involved incident? I'm assuming that is the comment you're talking about....

 

[altazo]

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...care to elaborate on HOW it's not a hockey team involved incident? I'm assuming that is the comment you're talking about....

I think the "earlier comment" that he still stands by is that Stout's first game has been tentatively moved to be played at Concordia, Wi.

This story is a team's nightmare. Only way I could see it getting any worse is if Watkins himself was guarding the back door of the Log Jam...

(Yes, I know Watkins wasn't there.)

 

[altazo]

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The remaining players will be subject to taunts and will be harassed throughout the season.

That statement alone is enough, and the reason I'd be very surprised if there was hockey at Stout this season.

 

[XYZ]

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...care to elaborate on HOW it's not a hockey team involved incident? I'm assuming that is the comment you're talking about....

Ah, give up. BDR says all sorts of things that aren't true.

 

[one_to7]

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First let me say, in Wisconsin, Riding a bicycle can still result in an OWI (Operating While Intoxicated). The consequences of an OWI are similar to a DUI; Time in jail, loss of license, fines, and AA classes.

http://www.dot.wisconsin.gov/safety/docs/owi-penchrt.pdf

(5) "Bicycle" means every vehicle propelled by the feet acting upon pedals and having wheels any 2 of which are not less than 14 inches in diameter.

Definition taken from:
http://www.1800dialdui.com/CM/DUIDWILaws/DUIDWILaws-Wisconsin-OWI-DWI-DUI-Laws.asp

Hey dumb ***, you CANNOT get an OWI in wisconsin for riding a bicycle unless it is motorized. The link you so helpfully provided states:

967.055 Prosecution of offenses; operation of a motor vehicle or motorboat; alcohol, intoxicant or drug.

Try reading the definitions

The definition of "bicycle" is listed to define a police bicycle as an authorized emergency vehicle, even though it isn't motorized.


At no point in your post did you say anything about the 10-15 hockey players who were apparently hunting a single person for a beatdown nor the two players that assaulted him resulting in his death. All you did was question the person who *died*, like him riding a bike somehow excuses someone from killing him.

But sure, continue to bury your heads in the sand and pretend that they didn't do anything wrong. Could you at least quit making crap up to try to defend your alleged felons? Someone is dead, and all you seem to be worrying about is how to defend your precious hockey team.

Also, you may be interested to know that an OWI in wisconsin is not "similar" to a DUI. There is no legal term of DUI or DWI in wisconsin, they just call it OWI; so it's the same exact thing. Not that it's applicable in any way shape or form here.

 

[thirty6oh9five]

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Hey dumb ***, you CANNOT get an OWI in wisconsin for riding a bicycle unless it is motorized. The link you so helpfully provided states:

Pot meet Kettle

At no point in your post did you say anything about the 10-15 hockey players who were apparently hunting a single person for a beatdown nor the two players that assaulted him resulting in his death. All you did was question the person who *died*, like him riding a bike somehow excuses someone from killing him.

I have not seen one article where it says 10-15 hockey players. It may say groups but there are no concrete numbers such as 10-15. I also find it unfounded that they had any intent of "hunting down a single person." When bar's empty out they tend to go outside and congregate for a short time before disbursing. No one here know's anything that happened and all of the rumors spreading here are even worse than on campus. Take two seconds to think before you post.

And before it is said, I am a new poster, however I am not BDR. I needed to throw my two cents in.

 

[d3follower]

Re: UW-Stout offseason thread

Pot meet Kettle



I have not seen one article where it says 10-15 hockey players. It may say groups but there are no concrete numbers such as 10-15. . . .

I guess you haven't read very many articles, then, because this article says 12-14 hockey players were in or around the bar at the time of the incident.

 

[one_to7]

Re: UW-Stout offseason thread

Pot meet Kettle



I have not seen one article where it says 10-15 hockey players. It may say groups but there are no concrete numbers such as 10-15. I also find it unfounded that they had any intent of "hunting down a single person." When bar's empty out they tend to go outside and congregate for a short time before disbursing. No one here know's anything that happened and all of the rumors spreading here are even worse than on campus. Take two seconds to think before you post.

And before it is said, I am a new poster, however I am not BDR. I needed to throw my two cents in.

http://www.twincities.com/allheadlines/ci_16194601?nclick_check=1

http://www.jsonline.com/news/crime/103874599.html

5-6 + 5-6 + 2 = ?

The bar wasn't emptying out, they were kicked out according to the articles.

edit: woops, got beaten to it!

 

[BlueDevilAdvocate]

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Webb, better figure out your aliases...

I am not BlueDevilRadio, I thought this was all said and done when BDR featured us on various videos on YouTube. So the comment of:

Fact: every article out there says every thing a little different. we wont know the truth until the trial.

Maybe this is someone else who has some input. I can guarantee it is not BlueDevilRadio. I also just explained that BDR is not allowed to publicly post about the incident. What part of that is too tough for you to understand?

Hey dumb ***, you CANNOT get an OWI in wisconsin for riding a bicycle unless it is motorized. The link you so helpfully provided states:
967.055 Prosecution of offenses; operation of a motor vehicle or motorboat; alcohol, intoxicant or drug.
Try reading the definitions
The definition of "bicycle" is listed to define a police bicycle as an authorized emergency vehicle, even though it isn't motorized.

Now it’s your turn to get your A** burned.

The ability to be charged for OWI/DWI in whatever state you reside relies on the states definition of a "vehicle".

Wisconsin DOES consider a bicycle to be a vehicle.

"Bicycles are considered "vehicles" on Wisconsin roadways. That means bicyclists must obey the rules of the road like any other vehicle and must be treated as equal users by all other vehicles." Wisconsin DOT
http://www.dot.wisconsin.gov/safety/vehicle/bicycle/index.htm

The definition of an EMERGENCY VEHICLE is to include a police bicycles as an authorized emergency vehicle, even though it isn't motorized. That was NOT the definition of a bicycle by state statue.

Therefore, YOU CAN BE CHARGED WITH DUI in Wisconsin while operating a bicycle.

Get your facts straight slappy, and think before you speak next time.

 

[joeyc3402]

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Webb, better figure out your aliases...

I am not BlueDevilRadio, I thought this was all said and done when BDR featured us on various videos on YouTube. So the comment of:



Maybe this is someone else who has some input. I can guarantee it is not BlueDevilRadio. I also just explained that BDR is not allowed to publicly post about the incident. What part of that is too tough for you to understand?



Now it’s your turn to get your A** burned.

The ability to be charged for OWI/DWI in whatever state you reside relies on the states definition of a "vehicle".

Wisconsin DOES consider a bicycle to be a vehicle.

"Bicycles are considered "vehicles" on Wisconsin roadways. That means bicyclists must obey the rules of the road like any other vehicle and must be treated as equal users by all other vehicles." Wisconsin DOT
http://www.dot.wisconsin.gov/safety/vehicle/bicycle/index.htm

The definition of an EMERGENCY VEHICLE is to include a police bicycles as an authorized emergency vehicle, even though it isn't motorized. That was NOT the definition of a bicycle by state statue.

Therefore, YOU CAN BE CHARGED WITH DUI in Wisconsin while operating a bicycle.

Get your facts straight slappy, and think before you speak next time.

If you're right about the OWI, I'll let you call the Simon family to tell them what a horrible act their son committed.

 

[XYZ]

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Webb, better figure out your aliases...

Where did I say anything about aliases in relation to you?

Listen, jack. I've tried twice to get people to stop speculating about things related to the case that none of us know the full details of. But don't expect me to not comment when you and your ilk want to come in here and punk off.

After all, I'm not the one with a gag order on me.

 

[one_to7]

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Webb, better figure out your aliases...

I am not BlueDevilRadio, I thought this was all said and done when BDR featured us on various videos on YouTube. So the comment of:



Maybe this is someone else who has some input. I can guarantee it is not BlueDevilRadio. I also just explained that BDR is not allowed to publicly post about the incident. What part of that is too tough for you to understand?



Now it’s your turn to get your A** burned.

The ability to be charged for OWI/DWI in whatever state you reside relies on the states definition of a "vehicle".

Wisconsin DOES consider a bicycle to be a vehicle.

"Bicycles are considered "vehicles" on Wisconsin roadways. That means bicyclists must obey the rules of the road like any other vehicle and must be treated as equal users by all other vehicles." Wisconsin DOT
http://www.dot.wisconsin.gov/safety/vehicle/bicycle/index.htm

The definition of an EMERGENCY VEHICLE is to include a police bicycles as an authorized emergency vehicle, even though it isn't motorized. That was NOT the definition of a bicycle by state statue.

Therefore, YOU CAN BE CHARGED WITH DUI in Wisconsin while operating a bicycle.

Get your facts straight slappy, and think before you speak next time.

Go ask a lawyer, like I did before posting. You're 100% wrong.

Because..... while a bicycle is a vehicle, it's not a motor vehicle. Guess what the first line of the OWI law is?

"(1) No person may drive or operate a motor vehicle while:"

Guess what's not a motor vehicle? If you said "a bicycle", you're right.

And again, please tell me what bearing this has on him being assaulted by two goons while he was trying to get away?

Keep burying your head in the sand.

 

[NUProf]

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Two points:

1. There are some states in which you can be charged for being intoxicated while on a bicycle - I don't know about Wisconsin

2. I have no idea what that has to do with anything. It does not matter. A person is dead because a stupid dispute in a bar. This is a very sad case. I am very sure of that.

 

[snc1]

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CANT WE ALL JUST GET ALONG!?! This is looking like an Adrian thread with all the arguing.

 

[NUProf]

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CANT WE ALL JUST GET ALONG!?! This is looking like an Adrian thread with all the arguing.

+1

 

[MuckNBin]

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Go ask a lawyer, like I did before posting. You're 100% wrong.

Because..... while a bicycle is a vehicle, it's not a motor vehicle. Guess what the first line of the OWI law is?

"(1) No person may drive or operate a motor vehicle while:"

http://www.duiattorney.com/news/5594-milwaukee-man-arrested-for-wheelchair-owi

You'll note that this is a Wisconsin case, and specifically states a sentence regarding bicycles. Never opt for a career in law, you won't go very far.

Keep telling yourself that your interpretations are correct.

 

[CARDS_rule_the_Burgh]

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I'm with Webb on this point: This argument has long-since reached the point at which the healthiest thing that could be done would be to just walk away, let this go.

None of what is being said here really matters. There is still a young man whose life was ended way too soon. Was he committing OWI at the time? Maybe, I'm not familiar with Wisconsin State Traffic laws. But It doesn't matter... his life was still unjustifiably taken from him, he was wrongly taken from his friends and family. Did he play an active role in the incident? Certainly. Does that mean that those who committed a crime by taking his life shouldn't be punished appropriately under the law? Obviously not.

In the end there is nothing more to the subject than: There is a young man dead, and his killers ought to be punished in a court of law, after a fair and speedy trial.

I realize I am being somewhat hypocritical in that I was posting a few days ago, and now I'm saying we shouldn't even be talking about this. But since then I've concluded that this conversation is counter-productive, and needs to end. It's why I haven't posted on this thread in 2 days, why this will be my last post on this thread, and I stand by it.