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UW-Stout offseason thread

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gojackets said:
Of course that statement was made a week and a half ago and things could change...but basing it off that bullet...I would think they weren't looking at cancelling the season. I also doubt the police investigation will be over by the time the season starts and if they are going to wait until that is finished to make a decision, how would that go?
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Oh definitely. The investigation could last through the season. The trial is a while away as well.

If they wait until the season start to cancel it, i truly believe they would have more problems on their hands than they already do. Hockey has the biggest following on campus as our other teams really suck. (although basketball may make a turn around :rolleyes: )
 
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BlueDevilAdvocate said:
Oh definitely. The investigation could last through the season. The trial is a while away as well.

If they wait until the season start to cancel it, i truly believe they would have more problems on their hands than they already do. Hockey has the biggest following on campus as our other teams really suck. (although basketball may make a turn around :rolleyes: )
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It seems that most who post foresee Stout not playing this season or that they suspect that will happen. Unless the college President suspends play in the league I don`t see that happening.
In a case like this the investigation alone will take 1/2 the season and all the preliminary court dates and extensions with multiple attorneys reping the suspected players this thing will drag on for a year or more.
I agree with those who said it will be a huge distraction for the upcoming season. Sounds like the two or so players that are the primary suspects will probably not play but as for the other fringe partisipants/bystanders they will probably attempt to want to play. It was mentioned in earlier posts that they are innocent until proven guilty. If they really believe they aren`t responsible. Sounds like athletic director , coach and chancellor will have a lot to sort out soon. Doesn`t practice start like next week.

Seems weird to me if I remember correctly why did BlueDevelsradio poster post that players were not involved early on:
QUOTE "I don't want to comment on any details out of respect for the Simon family and what they are currently going through. However, the incident that resulted in the injury to Bradley is NOT a hockey team involved incident."

He really must not be close to what is happening to be so vehemently supportive of the team when he obviously didn`t know the facts.

I feel bad for whatever players were not even at the bar or did not even know what what going down if they can`t play. If Stout doesn`t play can they jump to another team and still play this season just as a willd idea.?
 
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I think what BDR was trying to say was that this is not being treated as a "hockey team incident" though two players are implicated (innocent until proven guilty) the team as a whole will not have repercussions. I fully believe we will play the season. Though this will be a major distraction for all of the players.
 
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Collegeman said:
I agree with those who said it will be a huge distraction for the upcoming season. Sounds like the two or so players that are the primary suspects will probably not play but as for the other fringe partisipants/bystanders they will probably attempt to want to play. It was mentioned in earlier posts that they are innocent until proven guilty. If they really believe they aren`t responsible. Sounds like athletic director , coach and chancellor will have a lot to sort out soon. Doesn`t practice start like next week.

Seems weird to me if I remember correctly why did BlueDevelsradio poster post that players were not involved early on:
QUOTE "I don't want to comment on any details out of respect for the Simon family and what they are currently going through. However, the incident that resulted in the injury to Bradley is NOT a hockey team involved incident."

He really must not be close to what is happening to be so vehemently supportive of the team when he obviously didn`t know the facts.

I feel bad for whatever players were not even at the bar or did not even know what what going down if they can`t play. If Stout doesn`t play can they jump to another team and still play this season just as a willd idea.?
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The two defendants are suspended from the school I believe, so they will certainly not be playing.

As for other players, they can't just hop to another team as this is college, not pros. They'd need to transfer to another school first, and that's where some problems would arise, as the NCHA has some rules about sitting out if they transfer within the league.

I'm not an expert by any means, so I won't get into those here, especially since I don't know every secondary rule or addendum, etc etc.
 
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Anything new from Stout regarding the season status? I've heard things about a lot of other schools saying (off the record of course...meaning they say that now...but if it happened??) that if it had been their players the season would be over already.
 
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gojackets said:
Anything new from Stout regarding the season status? I've heard things about a lot of other schools saying (off the record of course...meaning they say that now...but if it happened??) that if it had been their players the season would be over already.
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Like I asked earlier in this thread, if the same circumstances came about at Middlebury does anyone honestly believe they would be playing this season? Or any other NESCAC school for that matter? Or Norwich? Or SNC? Or any MIAC team? Hate to be a jerk, but it makes Stout look as though they hold their student athletes to a lower standard of conduct and ethics than many other schools do. Not really in line with the philosophy of D3 to begin with...

Maybe it's those same high standards that schools like Middlebury, Norwich, and SNC hold their players to that have resulted in something Stout may never achieve, Championships?
 
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altazo said:
Like I asked earlier in this thread, if the same circumstances came about at Middlebury does anyone honestly believe they would be playing this season? Or any other NESCAC school for that matter? Or Norwich? Or SNC? Or any MIAC team? Hate to be a jerk, but it makes Stout look as though they hold their student athletes to a lower standard of conduct and ethics than many other schools do. Not really in line with the philosophy of D3 to begin with...

Maybe it's those same high standards that schools like Middlebury, Norwich, and SNC hold their players to that have resulted in something Stout may never achieve, Championships?
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Spare me the "holier than thou" bull**** about other schools - I highly doubt that any of the schools would make a rash decision about their programs without a complete investigation (they have too much $$$ invested). To condemn the program based on the facts posted on this board or printed in the newspaper is ridiculous. Like you said in the post - hate to be a Jerk, but you are doing a great job!!
 
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goalcoach70 said:
Spare me the "holier than thou" bull**** about other schools - I highly doubt that any of the schools would make a rash decision about their programs without a complete investigation (they have too much $$$ invested). To condemn the program based on the facts posted on this board or printed in the newspaper is ridiculous. Like you said in the post - hate to be a Jerk, but you are doing a great job!!
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So you think it's OK the Stout student athletes are held to lower standards simply because you are in some way affiliated with the program? Gotcha.

Middlebury would have pulled the plug on this season 2 weeks ago, promise. They're more concerned with developing good citizens and learning life lessons than winning hockey games. Maybe some of the Norwich guys on this board can comment on how they think Norwich may have handled this situation. They're no Stout though. Wait, Stout played both those teams last season. How'd they do again? Oh yeah, I remember...

And I'm not condemning the Stout team based on what's been posted here or printed in the press, but rather because the actions of some of their players contributed to the death of someone. I know that's tough for you to swallow.
 
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Like I said before - we do not know all the facts.....easy to judge when you make up the facts to support your argument.

And no, I have no vested interest in Stout, just annoyed by the rush to judgement by the uninformed.

But if it makes you feel superior to make hypotheticals about your school being morally superior to the rest of the world, go right ahead.
 
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goalcoach70 said:
Like I said before - we do not know all the facts.....easy to judge when you make up the facts to support your argument.

And no, I have no vested interest in Stout, just annoyed by the rush to judgement by the uninformed.

But if it makes you feel superior to make hypotheticals about your school being morally superior to the rest of the world, go right ahead.
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I agree we do not know all the facts. My point is that based on what has come out, most schools would have made this tough decision already. That is the only fact I have stated in this debate.

And I didn't go to Midd, but am simply using them as an example of a winning program and perhaps how they got that way.
 
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goalcoach70 said:
Like I said before - we do not know all the facts.....easy to judge when you make up the facts to support your argument.

And no, I have no vested interest in Stout, just annoyed by the rush to judgement by the uninformed.

But if it makes you feel superior to make hypotheticals about your school being morally superior to the rest of the world, go right ahead.
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It's funny, but you talk about "making up facts" to support his argument, but I don't hear any facts from you one way or the other.

You can say "we don't know everything!" as much as you want, but that doesn't change what we do know, so repeating that over and over doesn't advance the discussion in any way shape or form.

The jury won't have "all the facts" either. They will have the known facts presented to them, and as reasonable people, will have to make a decision on what they believe happened or didn't happen.

This message board is not a court. "innocent until proven guilty" is not a right that exists here. We can all make reasonable (or unreasonable, if you want) interpretations of what we know.

If you'd like to rationally explain why something doesn't add up, or theorize what else might have happened, feel free. But just going "we don't know everything yet!!!111" doesn't do a ****ed thing but look dumb.
 
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altazo said:
So you think it's OK the Stout student athletes are held to lower standards simply because you are in some way affiliated with the program? Gotcha.

Middlebury would have pulled the plug on this season 2 weeks ago, promise. They're more concerned with developing good citizens and learning life lessons than winning hockey games. Maybe some of the Norwich guys on this board can comment on how they think Norwich may have handled this situation. They're no Stout though. Wait, Stout played both those teams last season. How'd they do again? Oh yeah, I remember...

And I'm not condemning the Stout team based on what's been posted here or printed in the press, but rather because the actions of some of their players contributed to the death of someone. I know that's tough for you to swallow.
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There are two instances in my memory in which Norwich pulled the plug on programs. One of the instances involved rugby, the other lacrosse. Both were based on internal behavior issues.
 
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Norwich also pulled the plug on their volunteer Fire Dept after a serious accident with the fire truck (which involved drinking) on its way to a fire about 20 years back.
 
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Here is some information below I found online

Fallen cadet firemen honored

The NU Corps of Cadets honored the memory of four cadet firemen who were involved in a fatal accident as members of the Norwich Fire Brigade on April 29, 1984 while responding to a brush fire in Roxbury, VT.

Tragically, three were killed while the fire truck they were riding in rolled over on Route 12A in Northfield: Cadet David L. Anderson '84, Cadet Matthew R. Baran '87, and Cadet Patrick deKramer '87. Cadet Thomas L. Wolfe '86 sustained a broken neck, rendering him a quadriplegic. After hospitalization and months of physical therapy, he returned to Norwich and earned his bachelor's degree. Tom died suddenly on November 2, 2007.

Cadet firefighters placed a wreath at the base of the Norwich University flag pole during Command Reveille formation on Wednesday, 29 April at 7:45 a.m. on the Upper Parade Ground, marking the 25th anniversary to the day of the accident. Members of the Norwich and Northfield communities were invited to attend.

A Norwich University Fire Brigade Scholarship was established in 1985 in memory of the cadet firemen and is awarded every year to a student of good character who has shown interest in the University and community service.
 
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