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UVM Catamounts 2019/20

Re: UVM Catamounts 2019/20

I was just looking at KRACH trying to figure out what legitimate expectations are for this program. By my personal count, there is no obvious reason that we should expect UVM to be worse than the following programs in the long term, as they have no systematic advantage over us. That doesn't mean they have not been better than us, or that they shouldn't ever be better than us, but rather I see no systematic advantage they have over us that would indicate a better chance at long term success.

Canisius
St. Lawerence
Ala-Hunt
Mercyhurst
Alaska-Anch
Niagara
Merrimack
Bentley
Robert Moris
AIC
Ferris State
Miami
Lake St.
Miane
UNH
Quinny
Uconn
RIT
St Cloud
Omaha
Sacred Heart
Colorado College
Norther Michigan
Bemidji
Alaska
Northeastern
Lowell
Umass
Providence
Western Michigan
Michigan Tech
Arizona State
Bowling Green
Clarkson
Minnesota State

That's 35 teams, more than half of the 60 teams. And I could make an argument for a few more, but I think people's heads will explode.

So I think we should aspire to be a top 30 team annually, with periodic runs into the top 10. Tell me why I'm wrong.
 
Re: UVM Catamounts 2019/20

Catamount93 said:
I was just looking at KRACH trying to figure out what legitimate expectations are for this program. By my personal count, there is no obvious reason that we should expect UVM to be worse than the following programs in the long term, as they have no systematic advantage over us. That doesn't mean they have not been better than us, or that they shouldn't ever be better than us, but rather I see no systematic advantage they have over us that would indicate a better chance at long term success.

Canisius
St. Lawerence
Ala-Hunt
Mercyhurst
Alaska-Anch
Niagara
Merrimack
Bentley
Robert Moris
AIC
Ferris State
Miami
Lake St.
Miane
UNH
Quinny
Uconn
RIT
St Cloud
Omaha
Sacred Heart
Colorado College
Norther Michigan
Bemidji
Alaska
Northeastern
Lowell
Umass
Providence
Western Michigan
Michigan Tech
Arizona State
Bowling Green
Clarkson
Minnesota State

That's 35 teams, more than half of the 60 teams. And I could make an argument for a few more, but I think people's heads will explode.

So I think we should aspire to be a top 30 team annually, with periodic runs into the top 10. Tell me why I'm wrong.
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Because Kevin Sneddon is the coach.
 
Catamount93 said:
I was just looking at KRACH trying to figure out what legitimate expectations are for this program. By my personal count, there is no obvious reason that we should expect UVM to be worse than the following programs in the long term, as they have no systematic advantage over us. That doesn't mean they have not been better than us, or that they shouldn't ever be better than us, but rather I see no systematic advantage they have over us that would indicate a better chance at long term success.

Canisius
St. Lawerence
Ala-Hunt
Mercyhurst
Alaska-Anch
Niagara
Merrimack
Bentley
Robert Moris
AIC
Ferris State
Miami
Lake St.
Miane
UNH
Quinny
Uconn
RIT
St Cloud
Omaha
Sacred Heart
Colorado College
Norther Michigan
Bemidji
Alaska
Northeastern
Lowell
Umass
Providence
Western Michigan
Michigan Tech
Arizona State
Bowling Green
Clarkson
Minnesota State

That's 35 teams, more than half of the 60 teams. And I could make an argument for a few more, but I think people's heads will explode.

So I think we should aspire to be a top 30 team annually, with periodic runs into the top 10. Tell me why I'm wrong.
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because you are what your record says you are.


ps: not trying to troll (we’ve been through it ourselves) ; but that’s the long & short of it.
 
Catamount93 said:
I was just looking at KRACH trying to figure out what legitimate expectations are for this program. By my personal count, there is no obvious reason that we should expect UVM to be worse than the following programs in the long term, as they have no systematic advantage over us. That doesn't mean they have not been better than us, or that they shouldn't ever be better than us, but rather I see no systematic advantage they have over us that would indicate a better chance at long term success.

Canisius
St. Lawerence
Ala-Hunt
Mercyhurst
Alaska-Anch
Niagara
Merrimack
Bentley
Robert Moris
AIC
Ferris State
Miami
Lake St.
Miane
UNH
Quinny
Uconn
RIT
St Cloud
Omaha
Sacred Heart
Colorado College
Norther Michigan
Bemidji
Alaska
Northeastern
Lowell
Umass
Providence
Western Michigan
Michigan Tech
Arizona State
Bowling Green
Clarkson
Minnesota State

That's 35 teams, more than half of the 60 teams. And I could make an argument for a few more, but I think people's heads will explode.

So I think we should aspire to be a top 30 team annually, with periodic runs into the top 10. Tell me why I'm wrong.
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I'm curious what you see as Maine's inherent advantage over UVM. I think they should both be about even in terms of expectations. I'm a current UMaine student (and hopefully alumni very soon), and my father is a UVM alumni, and he's always telling me that UVM actually has a brighter future than we do, so I'm curious for your take.
 
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Northeasteern has a big advantage over you-
major metropolitan market- beanpot- scouts see you more often
 
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My point was that Maine does not have an advantage over us...that's why they are on the list. I agree they should be about the same.
 
Re: UVM Catamounts 2019/20

DLG said:
Northeasteern has a big advantage over you-
major metropolitan market- beanpot- scouts see you more often
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Understand your point, I can see that argument. I don't agree it is a big advantage, but I can see the argument that it is an advantage.
 
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And yes, coaching is an advantage....in fact that's a huge part of my point. But it is not systematic...in theory we could have hired lots of new coaches over the years but didn't.
 
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Coaching is EVERYTHING. The Gutt is a beautiful barn, the school is good, the league is very good. Every school that is not in Boston and plays in the Beanpot has those disadvantages, but BU underperforms. UVM lacks nothing compared to Providence or UMass or Maine or Clarkson or Lowell or UConn. A school NEEDS a Casey Jones or Nate Leaman or Norm Bazin or Greg Carvel, a great coach that kids want to play for and will get better under. It is ALL about the coach and the opportunities he gives aspiring players.

Kevin Sneddon went off the rails in 2009-10 and he has run an unstable, inconsistent, destructive program ever since. While his program has flailed, he has chewed up and spit out dozens of young men. The players came and went, the fans came and went, only Kevin Sneddon stays on.

Coaching is EVERYTHING. UVM Hockey (1-11-2) = Kevin Sneddon

A good coaching hire can turn UVM into a contender easily and quickly.
 
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Not sure why you think nine of the 12 ECAC programs have some sort of systematic advantage over UVM. I can see Harvard and Cornell, who have great historical success. But the other four Ivies aren’t great programs over time, and really don’t understand RPI, Union and Colgate. They have systematic advantages over all the HE teams except BC and BU? Can’t buy that. They haven’t shown it on the ice that’s for sure.

UVM should be a top-6 team in HE on a consistent basis with the right coach.
 
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I think it's pretty obvious Sneddon should get walking papers sooner rather than later. But I must note that Grantfan is Mike Milo from previous posts, right? You admit this Mike/Grantfan? Weren't you "Diligaf" on Cornell forum back in the day as well? Pretty sure your son was known to be the worst teammate ever at Cornell so Schafe cut him. No idea about UVM, but shame on Sneddon if he took him after his legacy at Cornell. I just googled Michael Milo and saw he is a lawyer...interesting read. Son must be proud
 
Re: UVM Catamounts 2019/20

jfromvt-

You could be right on Ivies, I was just thinking of it from a very personal perspective...If i was a top recruit and I had the opportunity to get an Ivy education and still play college hockey I would absolutely do that over attending a non Ivy. But I acknowledge not everyone thinks that way, and also that the Ivies have somewhat of a disadvantage through lack of scholarships.

I may be nuts, but I just don't think choosing one college hockey program over another gets you more exposure or helps you draft-wise, assuming you have not already been drafted. Nobody with top level talent is hiding somewhere on a college team not getting seen.
 
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Dustbunny04 said:
I think it's pretty obvious Sneddon should get walking papers sooner rather than later. But I must note that Grantfan is Mike Milo from previous posts, right? You admit this Mike/Grantfan? Weren't you "Diligaf" on Cornell forum back in the day as well? Pretty sure your son was known to be the worst teammate ever at Cornell so Schafe cut him. No idea about UVM, but shame on Sneddon if he took him after his legacy at Cornell. I just googled Michael Milo and saw he is a lawyer...interesting read. Son must be proud
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whether he is or not makes no difference to me or any of us even if there is some axe to grind against Sneddon fact is Milos ended up being right about Sneddy in terms of messing around with the aid packages and string kids along before leaving them high and dry for shiny new toys. ask Packy Munson and others who left too! Sneddon sent his booklicks to smear the Milos to everyone and even if Justin had issues being bad teammate and is repsonsible for his actions the level Sneddon went to make sure the kid never got chance was petty doesn't seem like Shafer went out his way to ruin kids life once he left Cornell does it?! and not the last time he's done to others or his detractor! Are you one of the many he has sent to find the fans online and in person who have question him? The man spent whole year trying to find out who some people were like Catmandoo who post here. you ask around the story of Sneddon promising kids one thing and doing another in this frame which along other things you can see how the results went. Sneddon smeared kids who left the team! Sneddon acted like he was god gift to hockey and big time many people and burnt bridges and now program is absolute rock bottom!
 
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