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Utica University 2024-25 - Retooled and Reloaded

MilkUniversity said:
Also think it could be interesting if D1 schools with mid-size+ arenas were able to host. Guessing though that would create a bunch of issues around technical stuff with the NCAA and around who gets any ticket revenue.
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That's not a concern. There are rules to follow -- like the NCAA gets all the ticket money -- and if you can't accept the rules, don't bid on it.

Even with predetermined sites, the site has to bid. The NCAA doesn't just pick a place. Same goes with D1 and the NHL rinks that host a Frozen Four. Those arenas put in a lot of money to bid for those events.

I would love to see some mid-size D1 places put in bids. RIT would be a perfect site, as well as a bunch of the new Atlantic Hockey rinks. They are a perfect size, located in decent population areas, and easy to get to and find accomodations.
 
I always thought Dartmouth’s Thompson arena would be a perfect host for D3 final four. The only thing about it is I think their parking situation leaves a lot to be desired.
 
Russell Jaslow said:
That's not a concern. There are rules to follow -- like the NCAA gets all the ticket money -- and if you can't accept the rules, don't bid on it.

Even with predetermined sites, the site has to bid. The NCAA doesn't just pick a place. Same goes with D1 and the NHL rinks that host a Frozen Four. Those arenas put in a lot of money to bid for those events.

I would love to see some mid-size D1 places put in bids. RIT would be a perfect site, as well as a bunch of the new Atlantic Hockey rinks. They are a perfect size, located in decent population areas, and easy to get to and find accomodations.
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If that’s the case for revenue, then maybe less of an incentive for a D1 campus to host but would still help out D3 schools not bear additional cost of hosting. Then again, PSU has only hosted one tournament game to my knowledge so who would I be to know.

RIT would be a cool host site. SHU’s Martire Arena and the Whit at UNH would also make fun sites especially if some nearby schools go the distance.
 
PrezdeJohnson09 said:
I always thought Dartmouth’s Thompson arena would be a perfect host for D3 final four. The only thing about it is I think their parking situation leaves a lot to be desired.
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Was over there a couple weeks ago for their playoff matchup vs SLU and it’s such a unique rink for games. Feels old school and gritty with a lot of history. That and would be a good distance between a lot of the northern New England/New York powerhouse schools. Any NESCAC-SUYNYAC-CNE matchups would be packed to the brim.
 
MilkUniversity said:
If that’s the case for revenue, then maybe less of an incentive for a D1 campus to host but would still help out D3 schools not bear additional cost of hosting. Then again, PSU has only hosted one tournament game to my knowledge so who would I be to know.
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The NCAA helps pay for some of the hosting costs (as well as the teams' travel costs). The contact is long and involved. I certainly don't know all of it, but I heard enough to know enough to be dangerous. And too much to lay it all out here in a message board.

The bottom line is, even at a predetermined site, there has to be a host school (check out who the host is for Las Vegas D1 Frozen Four, heck the Tampa host school is sometimes Wisconsin). And the host (because they have responsibilities in the running of the event) and site work out a bid before submitting it to the NCAA.

The first year the D3 championship was in Lake Placid, it was Potsdam who pushed for it. At the time, Glen Thomaris was their coach, and he approached Lake Placid to host it. They then submitted the bid to the NCAA. Potsdam was the host school that first year. Ever since then, Plattsburgh was the host school in Lake Placid.
 
Just put it in placid every year. all the moving around stuff causes too many headaches. u can have potsdam, canton, platty, hell i dont care if paul smith colleges hosts it have them rotate so admin will have plenty of experience running it but they dont have to do it every year. maybe the schools can split the costs somehow idk but literally every hockey player ever would love to play in that arena. if the ecac can have their conference tournament their every year, i think d3 can figure it out
 
Lord_Zubin said:
Just put it in placid every year. all the moving around stuff causes too many headaches. u can have potsdam, canton, platty, hell i dont care if paul smith colleges hosts it have them rotate so admin will have plenty of experience running it but they dont have to do it every year. maybe the schools can split the costs somehow idk but literally every hockey player ever would love to play in that arena. if the ecac can have their conference tournament their every year, i think d3 can figure it out
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It not a matter of figuring it out. The NCAA are the ones who want to move it around.

A lot of us, in and outside the D3 hockey world, feel the way you do.
 
put that on the next agenda to vote on cause holy crap thats dumb if they change the min required for a conference they can change that
 
I can go all in with a predetermined neutral site every year, but only if eall the hockey playing schools contribute to the costs of running it. It’s unreasonable to expect a few schools to bear the cost and effort to put it on.
 
jerrynu26 said:
I can go all in with a predetermined neutral site every year, but only if eall the hockey playing schools contribute to the costs of running it. It’s unreasonable to expect a few schools to bear the cost and effort to put it on.
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The NCAA pays for everything, no matter where it is. Why do people suddenly think the schools have to pay for this?

The NCAA moving the site around has nothing to do with costs. It has to do with philosophy.
 
I loved Lake Placid for the final four, I know it doesn't fill up but it has so much history, and this uncertainty a week before is crazy. Next year at Utica makes it easy.
 
Russell Jaslow said:
The NCAA pays for everything, no matter where it is. Why do people suddenly think the schools have to pay for this?

The NCAA moving the site around has nothing to do with costs. It has to do with philosophy.
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Don’t schools need to put time in to host? That costs the schools money.
 
Bartman said:
I loved Lake Placid for the final four, I know it doesn't fill up but it has so much history, and this uncertainty a week before is crazy. Next year at Utica makes it easy.
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Back in my day (LOL), it was always an on campus site, and making plans just days before was a real pain. This predetermined site for D3 hockey is relatively new ... for us long timers.

Funnily, the very first time they tried a predetermined site (and it took a while to do it again), I did plan ahead and used it as an excuse to visit my brother and young twin nieces in the Twin Cities.
 
Fishman'81 said:
Has ANY D-3 hockey venue ever made a dime via hosting?

I'd have to doubt that.
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I have to think that in 1987 (The one that doesn't exist) at Plattsburgh had to make money. For the chmpionship game alone before the renovations were done, there were over 4,000 fans stuffed in the Plattsburgh Stae Field House(It had not been yet named Ronal B Stafford Ice Arena)
 
WCHornet said:
I have to think that in 1987 (The one that doesn't exist) at Plattsburgh had to make money. For the chmpionship game alone before the renovations were done, there were over 4,000 fans stuffed in the Plattsburgh Stae Field House(It had not been yet named Ronal B Stafford Ice Arena)
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man that place was packed for warm-ups, had a small area behind the bench for our fans, team bus got there a few hrs before game time and the crowd was already there...
 
Fishman'81 said:
Has ANY D-3 hockey venue ever made a dime via hosting?

I'd have to doubt that.
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The overall event? No. Most NCAA events at all levels lose money. Only a few D1 championship events make a profit, and they support all other sports.

As for the venue itself, it never losses money. The NCAA makes sure of that because they are the ones who take the hit.
 
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