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Utica to the SUNYAC? - Biggar's Column

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Dyce said:
Absolutely: due to the deceptive shape of the state, it's very easy to overlook its dimensions from a practical driving standpoint. New York's max length and width are 330 and 283 miles, respectively; for reference, this is actually 20 and 23 miles, respectively, longer than Wisconsin. Add to this the fact that cutting across the state from many points is inhibited by two very large lakes. And then add to that the fact that a huge swath of the northern portion of the state is an enormous forest without high-speed highway access. It's simply a lot harder to get around NY than one might realize.
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Add in the fact there is another 1-1:30 on Long Island WITHOUT traffic....
 
Re: Utica to the SUNYAC? - Biggar's Column

During all this discussion, I have yet to see anybody recognize that Neumann (okay, twice), is in Pennsylvania. How does anyone think that they could ever be eligible to become a SUNYAC member?? And another question, how many pool C bids would be available for Independents, if those remaining ECAC-W schools chose that route?
 
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The Real Georgia Peach said:
And another question, how many pool C bids would be available for Independents, if those remaining ECAC-W schools chose that route?
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With pool B gone next season as the MASCAC gets its AQ, all at-large bids will be pool C. As independents and teams from conferences without an AQ are eligible for pool C nothing would change on that front.
 
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The Real Georgia Peach said:
During all this discussion, I have yet to see anybody recognize that Neumann (okay, twice), is in Pennsylvania. How does anyone think that they could ever be eligible to become a SUNYAC member?? And another question, how many pool C bids would be available for Independents, if those remaining ECAC-W schools chose that route?
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XYZ already said it but there would be no change to the amount of teams in the tournament and no change to the Pool C bids.

There will be eight Pool A (automatic qualifiers)
MASCAC
ECAC NE
ECAC East
SUNYAC
NESCAC
NCHA
MIAC
MCHA

and then three Pool C (At-large Bids)

Pool C
Pool C
Pool C

That'd be your tournament folks. The West could actually get six teams into the tournament to the East's five now. I put the likelyhood of that being allowed by the Eastern committee at 1 million to one. But, ya never know.
 
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I would expect that Man'ville and Neumann are looking "outside the box" for ideas because of location.
 
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PrezdeJohnson09 said:
Manhattanville's location isn't terrible at all for the ECAC East.
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Neumann could be a travel partner for Manhattanville. NYC - Philly weekend wouldn't be that much worse than Amherst - Hamilton. It might even make sense. A 12 team ECAC East could split into divisions. Play each team in your own division twice and the other division once for 16 games. That way teams in the opposite division to an M'ville Neumann division would only have to go there every other year.

West Division
NU-St. Mikes
Castleton-Skidmore
Neumann-M'ville

East Division
USM-UNE
NEC-St. A
Babbo-UMB
 
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cooperalls said:
After reading the article on the West I asked my friend who works with the coach at Canton and he said that they were told by the SUNYAC that they cannot even apply for membership until they are Active members of NCAA Div. III. Which means four years of provisional and according to SUNYAC bylaws they would have to wait for 2 years of active membership in order to apply for menmbership into the SUNYAC so that is 6 years before they can play in the SUNYAC. He also told me that they have talked to the ECAC West people and for some reason the ECAC West assistant commissioner has said that they want them but has never returned a phone call with any questions the school has had. Apparently the Head Coach told the ECAC West people that they could committ to the ECAC West for four-six years if they were at least guaranteed to be eligible for conference playoffs if the team was good enough to qualify for them. According to him they are still waiting for an answer from them of more than a year ago.
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Canton's route to the SUNYAC, should mimic that of Morrisville - IMO, Morrisville "matured" quickly. Morrisville joined the SUNYAC in 2007, and entered the the NCAA DIII in 2006.
 
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cooperalls said:
Maybe you know more more but Morriville originally joined the SUNYAC in all sports which may have helped. Then pulled out they were not official members in hockey until 2009-10 season which was petitioned and came out only after it was found out that NCAA sanctions were going against Buffalo State and Geneseo for not having the appropriate ratio's of international students amongst their athletic teams. Also Morrisville was able to get 1 year of NCAA Div. III provisional membership waived. Since that time with them pulling out of the SUNYAC the bylaws have changed in one way worse for new four year athletic programs it is harder to get in but good as they will now consider associate members in one sport. Read the bylaws they are online. So Canton has a minimum of 5 years based on whether they can get a year off their provisional or not. According to SUNYAC Bylaws members must be active members of the NCAA for two years before applying for membership. Active membership begins after their provisional membership is over.
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I assume by "official members", you mean eligible to participate in the tournament? If so, yes 5 or 6 years is likely (pending waivers) before Canton could go for the title, but not before they could begin playing provisionally.

BTW, anyone ever take this course and/or this one - they look interesting, IMO?
 
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cooperalls said:
According to SUNYAC bylaws to be an official associate member the school has to have been an active DIII member for at least 2 years in order to APPLY for membership! Mville from my understanding worked out a deal to be affiliated by making it known that they wanted to join the league in hockey and was able to work out a league schedule with the schools starting in 2007-08 at that time but do know they were not eligible for conference playoffs.

So I believe that the bylaws were changed because of the fiasco that Morrisville created in moving up and joining the SUNYAC in all sports and then pulling out except for like 2.
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They did begin a league schedule in 2006-07, but began playing Oswego, Geneseo, Plattsburgh, Potsdam, Brockport, Buffalo State, and Fredonia in 2005-06. Could Canton get a 1yr waiver, I think so, but nothing surprises, much of what I see in NCAA DIII reminds me of "little man ego", luckily, there are enough well intentioned, sincere and dedicated individuals that the system can move forward.
 
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norm1909 said:
Perhaps it will be attached the press release announcing the end of the NESCAC-ECAC-East interlock ;)
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Norm isn't it sort of unbelievable that the NCAA hasn't made an official announcement of the breakup of the interlock with the season almost half over? Heck it seems teams are already scheduling games for 2011/2012 without the interlock games encluded. I have to believe the non announcement is a NESCAC idea as I kind of spin control. How would you like to be a Colby fan and have no more Norwich, NEC, Babson, UMass Boston, ect games. Just another suggestion is for the ECAC East to take Manhattanville and Utica with the SUNYAC taking the rest.
 
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Neumann and Manhattanville join the ECAC East as travel partners.

Adrian or Marian moves to the NCHA to bring that league back to 8 teams (both school's women already compete in the NCHA.)

Elmira and Hobart join the MCHA. Obviously tons of travel, but better than going it alone as an independent. Also, having 2 western NY teams makes it a little easier to swallow the trip east for the rest of the MCHA.

Probably never gonna happen, but could help save a couple programs...
 
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altazo said:
Neumann and Manhattanville join the ECAC East as travel partners.

Adrian or Marian moves to the NCHA to bring that league back to 8 teams (both school's women already compete in the NCHA.)

Elmira and Hobart join the MCHA. Obviously tons of travel, but better than going it alone as an independent. Also, having 2 western NY teams makes it a little easier to swallow the trip east for the rest of the MCHA.

Probably never gonna happen, but could help save a couple programs...
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Not a bad idea if Utica gets accepted to the SUNYAC.

But, the same thing could be acheived if the SUNYAC agrees to absorb Hobart and Elmira as well to bring the league to 12 teams and then the ECAC East takes Nuemann and Manhattanville.
 
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cooperalls said:
Up until this year Scranton was an NCAA Div. III independent covered under athletics but they chose to play ACHA Div. 1. They had more than 60 kids in their two ACHA hockey programs and the talent level for their top team is comparable to NCAA Div. III but the one thing that they lacked all of these years is good coaching and they allowed a consultant to come in and talk the atheltic department into dropping hockey this year which is what happened.
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I'm sorry, and I don't mean any disrespect for those who really try to make a successful program over at Scranton, but have you seen Scranton's D1 team recently? Siena (ACHA D2) played them twice last year. Tied them 2-2 in their matchbox of a rink in Pennsylvania, and then beat them 6-3 here in Albany, on the Olympic ice sheet. The 2-2 tie was during Siena's horrible mid-season slump last year, and the 6-3 was wasn't even that close. It was an absolute domination.

Scranton still has the same coaching staff as their DIII days, and believe me when I say they are far from "comparable to DIII".

And yes, I'm 100% certain we played th D1 team, not the D2 team.
 
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CARDS_rule_the_Burgh said:
I'm sorry, and I don't mean any disrespect for those who really try to make a successful program over at Scranton, but have you seen Scranton's D1 team recently? Siena (ACHA D2) played them twice last year. Tied them 2-2 in their matchbox of a rink in Pennsylvania, and then beat them 6-3 here in Albany, on the Olympic ice sheet. The 2-2 tie was during Siena's horrible mid-season slump last year, and the 6-3 was wasn't even that close. It was an absolute domination.

Scranton still has the same coaching staff as their DIII days, and believe me when I say they are far from "comparable to DIII".

And yes, I'm 100% certain we played th D1 team, not the D2 team.
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Elmira beat Scranton 20-0 with the third string goalie in the game in the mid 90's.
 
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