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Utica College hockey. ..Can we catch a break this season?

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Seeing Mike McMahon is tweeting candidates list for the UVM job. I know before Heenan was in mix for Alaska job, took asst. job at Union. Any thoughts on if he would go if considered and also just to spark conversation...let's say he does leave. Is there anyone on the current roster that would follow him possibly to UVM.
 
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capswon said:
Seeing Mike McMahon is tweeting candidates list for the UVM job. I know before Heenan was in mix for Alaska job, took asst. job at Union. Any thoughts on if he would go if considered and also just to spark conversation...let's say he does leave. Is there anyone on the current roster that would follow him possibly to UVM.
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Heenan talked himself out of the Union job before the fact (and in public) years and years ago.

My guess is that he's settled-in here. And why not, unless a truly plum D-1 offer comes his way?

Vermont isn't that.
 
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Fishman'81 said:
Heenan talked himself out of the Union job before the fact (and in public) years and years ago.

My guess is that he's settled-in here. And why not, unless a truly plum D-1 offer comes his way?

Vermont isn't that.
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Sadly, until the big scandal, UVM hockey was THE athletic program at the school and the entire state. Then the elephant walk happened, Gilligan was pushed aside, bouncy ball showed some success and Sneddon was never really the answer. It will take someone who will take some big steps to turn that program around.
 
Re: Utica College hockey. ..Can we catch a break this season?

capswon said:
Seeing Mike McMahon is tweeting candidates list for the UVM job. I know before Heenan was in mix for Alaska job, took asst. job at Union. Any thoughts on if he would go if considered and also just to spark conversation...let's say he does leave. Is there anyone on the current roster that would follow him possibly to UVM.
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From my sources on the inside, Heenan may not even have to leave Utica to get a D1 coaching job in the next year or two...the paperwork was submitted to the NCAA
 
Pioneer247 said:
From my sources on the inside, Heenan may not even have to leave Utica to get a D1 coaching job in the next year or two...the paperwork was submitted to the NCAA
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?? Utica is considering bringing its entire athletic department up to D2? That’s the only way they could play D1 hockey now....
 
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JSicedog said:
Its not spurious its been a rumor for the past 3-4 years
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Well, it's one I've never heard, and I have my ear to the ground there. I never seem to miss a plausible rumor.

I may well be mistaken, but I think that the door has closed on the concept of a school being D-1 in just hockey. SLU, Clarkson, Union, RPI, Union, etc. were grand-fathered, and RIT got in just under the wire.

I'm not necessarily opposed to the idea, but I'm not confident that it would work in any case. UC already (technically) fills the building, and going D-1 would require a total re-build of the roster, even if Utica joined the relatively weak AHA. I suppose that the ticket prices would increase, but I'm not sure that that would translate into more revenue. I'd watch them take their lumps, but would the community as a whole have the patience to endure 5 losing years, at best?

(This current team - as good as it looks in the D-3 environment - would be absolutely hammered in D-1.)
 
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Fishman'81 said:
Well, it's one I've never heard, and I have my ear to the ground there. I never seem to miss a plausible rumor.

I may well be mistaken, but I think that the door has closed on the concept of a school being D-1 in just hockey. SLU, Clarkson, Union, RPI, Union, etc. were grand-fathered, and RIT got in just under the wire.

I'm not necessarily opposed to the idea, but I'm not confident that it would work in any case. UC already (technically) fills the building, and going D-1 would require a total re-build of the roster, even if Utica joined the relatively weak AHA. I suppose that the ticket prices would increase, but I'm not sure that that would translate into more revenue. I'd watch them take their lumps, but would the community as a whole have the patience to endure 5 losing years, at best?

(This current team - as good as it looks in the D-3 environment - would be absolutely hammered in D-1.)
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Ear must not be close enough. They would get hammered the first couple years. But the Aud dwarfs any recruiting tool any team in the atlantic conf has to offer. Wouldnt take them long to be competitve
 
JSicedog said:
Ear must not be close enough. They would get hammered the first couple years. But the Aud dwarfs any recruiting tool any team in the atlantic conf has to offer. Wouldnt take them long to be competitve
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Still find this curious as Utica would have to elevate the whole athletic department to D2. What conference would they join as their primary conference? NE-10? I don’t see Utica fitting into that..

Maybe East Coast Conference?
 
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JSicedog said:
Ear must not be close enough. They would get hammered the first couple years. But the Aud dwarfs any recruiting tool any team in the atlantic conf has to offer. Wouldnt take them long to be competitve
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You do understand that they can't just elevate the hockey program anymore? Fishman was correct, that window has long been closed.

They would have to elevate the ENTIRE athletic department, and they have to go through a much longer process nowadays to do so -- move to D2, stay there a bit, then move to D1, be on probation for a bit. It would take something like eight years to make the move.

Not to mention the expenses of moving an entire athletic department to D1. I never pictured Utica as a rich school and/or with some high end endowments.

EDIT: I did forget for hockey, all they have to do is move to D2, since there is technically no D2 hockey national championship, and thus can put their hockey team in a D1 league if they wish. So, not as difficult as I laid out. But, it will still be expensive, because you still have to move your entire athletic department to D2.
 
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Russell Jaslow said:
You do understand that they can't just elevate the hockey program anymore? Fishman was correct, that window has long been closed.

They would have to elevate the ENTIRE athletic department, and they have to go through a much longer process nowadays to do so -- move to D2, stay there a bit, then move to D1, be on probation for a bit. It would take something like eight years to make the move.

Not to mention the expenses of moving an entire athletic department to D1. I never pictured Utica as a rich school and/or with some high end endowments.

EDIT: I did forget for hockey, all they have to do is move to D2, since there is technically no D2 hockey national championship, and thus can put their hockey team in a D1 league if they wish. So, not as difficult as I laid out. But, it will still be expensive, because you still have to move your entire athletic department to D2.
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1) Rich alum(s) builds facilities for revenue sports - football and basketball...not just stadiums/arenas, but weight rooms, dining halls, dorms, for all the scholarship athletes of revenue sports
2) Rich alum(s) endow coaching positions to recruit the best coaches available and pay them 3-10x what tenured profs and the college president makes (before shoe, clothing, camp and other income)
3) Rich alum(s) endow marketing and sales operations to bring in players to enjoy those facilities and dorms, boosters and sponsors who want to get close to those players...
4) Rich alum(s) provide untraceable cash to close the deals for the best players, their families, wives, girlfriends, etc...
6) Rich alums pour more money to speed up the process so they can be proud of a winning tradition (of two years in a row)

Did I miss anything???

Oh yeah, I did - non revenue sports get screwed...so poor alum(s) support pancake breakfasts for basic needs.
 
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Russell Jaslow said:
You do understand that they can't just elevate the hockey program anymore? Fishman was correct, that window has long been closed.

They would have to elevate the ENTIRE athletic department, and they have to go through a much longer process nowadays to do so -- move to D2, stay there a bit, then move to D1, be on probation for a bit. It would take something like eight years to make the move.

Not to mention the expenses of moving an entire athletic department to D1. I never pictured Utica as a rich school and/or with some high end endowments.

EDIT: I did forget for hockey, all they have to do is move to D2, since there is technically no D2 hockey national championship, and thus can put their hockey team in a D1 league if they wish. So, not as difficult as I laid out. But, it will still be expensive, because you still have to move your entire athletic department to D2.
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Thanks i know the rules. Im not saying it is happening, all im saying is it has been discussed at length
 
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JSicedog said:
Ear must not be close enough. They would get hammered the first couple years. But the Aud dwarfs any recruiting tool any team in the atlantic conf has to offer. Wouldnt take them long to be competitve
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Well, yeah, but the AHA is generally a pretty terrible conference. It would practically (literally?) never garner an NCAA bid without the annual gift AQ.

I admit that it would be interesting on some level, and maybe that would let RIT off the hook..? ;)
 
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Back to the real world.......

Utica picks up a quality win at Elmira tonight, 3-2.
 
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UCBadger said:
Back to the real world.......

Utica picks up a quality win at Elmira tonight, 3-2.
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Sh*t, I guess.

Huge win, unless the ridiculous conference tournament AQ BS negates it.

...And that moronic calculus is still in play.

No body of work amounts to anything under this system.
 
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Winning goal with just over a minute left, must of been a tremendous game !
 
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Needed meds after last night's game. Gotta take care of business today against LVC or it will all be for naught. Love the old barn, lots of great memories there.
 
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Fishman'81 said:
Sh*t, I guess.

Huge win, unless the ridiculous conference tournament AQ BS negates it.

...And that moronic calculus is still in play.

No body of work amounts to anything under this system.
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Utica is #2 in PWR. They are in no matter what. At least this year, your concerns won't matter for Utica.
 
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