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Utica College 2010-11

Re: Utica College 2010-11

sshablak said:
#8 Ranking...Is this the highest ever ?? I think they deserve it !
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I know that they got up to #8 briefly in 2005 right before the ECAC-W tournament (I believe they were ninth in the final poll before the NCAA tournament). I doubt there was another time they were ranked higher than that, but I'm too lazy to check.
 
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sshablak said:
#8 Ranking...Is this the highest ever ?? I think they deserve it !
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They have been ranked 8th twice before.

MCullen said:
OK, let's say you're a fan of some highly successful D-III hockey school, like Plattsburgh or Norwich. Your teams are in the thick of it every year, and consistently get praise from the voters. Take a moment to smile at your teams ongoing success.

Now, let's say you're a fan if a school that doesn't get that much love in the polls. A team that's consistently weak (Northland, Framingham State). Or, a team that was really good 5 years ago, but can't put it together anymore (Concordia MN, <strike>Lebanon Valley</strike>). Or a team that does really well, but are frowned upon for playing in a "weak" conference (Fitchburg State, <strike>Marian</strike>). Maybe you would like to think, "Was my team ever any good?" Maybe you'd ask yourself, "Have we've ever been ranked?" or "Have we ever gotten votes in the national poll?"

Well, because someone asked somewhere, and because I have plenty of time to kill. I took a dive through the poll archives and compiled some lists of all of the teams that have ever been ranked (or gotten votes) in D-III hockey.

These lists use the USCHO D-III poll, and go back to the start of the 1998-99 season (the last season where all of the polls were available). I don't know if this has been done before, but as I said earlier, I've got time to kill.

Note: The number of voters and spots in the poll have changed over the years. The following list reflects that.
Code: 
10/19/1998 - 3/8/1999 -- 10 spots, 10 voters
10/20/1999 - 3/8/2002 -- 10 spots, 15 voters
10/16/2002 - 3/5/2007 -- 15 spots, 15 voters
10/15/2007 - present -- 15 spots, 20 voters

(All lists are current as of 1/10/2011)

The following is a list of teams (in alphabetical order) that have been ranked for at least one week in the USCHO D-III poll since the 1998-99 season (along with the last time they received vote(s) in the poll)
Code: 
Team			Last Rank	Last Vote
Adrian			1/10/2011	1/10/2011
Amherst			11/22/2010	1/10/2011
Augsburg		12/9/2002	11/8/2010
Babson			2/25/2008	11/22/2010
Bethel			11/12/2007	11/24/2008
Bowdoin			1/10/2011	1/10/2011
Buffalo State		11/29/2010	12/6/2010
Castleton		1/10/2011	1/10/2011
Colby			1/25/2010	12/6/2010
Concordia (MN)		12/16/2002	11/10/2003
Curry			1/4/2010	1/3/2011
Elmira			11/22/2010	12/13/2010
Fredonia		2/21/2005	2/22/2010
Geneseo			1/10/2011	1/10/2011
Gustavus Adolphus	1/10/2011	1/10/2011
Hamilton		1/20/2003	1/10/2011
Hamline			1/10/2011	1/10/2011
Hobart			1/3/2011	1/3/2011
Lake Forest		11/8/2004	2/20/2006
Lebanon Valley*		2/25/2002	3/3/2003
Manhattanville		1/10/2011	1/10/2011
Marian			11/8/2010	12/6/2010
Middlebury		11/22/2010	11/29/2010
MSOE			1/10/2011	1/10/2011
Neumann			1/10/2011	1/10/2011
New England College	1/12/2009	11/29/2010
Nichols			3/9/2009	11/29/2010
Norwich			1/10/2011	1/10/2011
Oswego			1/10/2011	1/10/2011
Plattsburgh		1/10/2011	1/10/2011
Potsdam			12/2/2002	1/11/2010
RIT*			1/31/2005	3/7/2005
Salem State		12/7/2009	12/6/2010
Skidmore		2/19/2007	11/23/2009
Southern Maine		1/28/2008	2/11/2008
St. John's		11/6/2006	11/5/2007
St. Norbert		1/10/2011	1/10/2011
St. Olaf		2/23/2009	11/16/2009
St. Scholastica		10/25/2010	11/15/2010
St. Thomas		12/13/2010	1/10/2011
Trinity			11/23/2009	3/8/2010
UMass Dartmouth		3/10/2008	1/10/2011
Utica			1/10/2011	1/10/2011
UW-Eau Claire		12/6/2010	1/10/2011
UW-River Falls		11/8/2010	12/6/2010
UW-Stevens Point	11/15/2010	11/29/2010
UW-Stout		11/29/2010	1/10/2011
UW-Superior		12/6/2010	1/10/2011
Wentworth		2/8/2010	12/13/2010
Wesleyan		2/5/2007	2/19/2007
Williams		1/10/2011	1/10/2011

*No longer plays in D-III


The following is a list of teams (in alphabetical order) that have not been ranked in the USCHO D-III poll since the 1998-99 season, but have received vote(s) in the poll.

Code: 
Team				Last Vote
Becker				11/22/2010
Connecticut College		3/9/2009
Cortland			11/17/2003
Finlandia			3/10/2008
Fitchburg State			1/3/2000
Johnson and Wales		11/4/2002
Lawrence			11/29/2010
Morrisville			11/22/2010
Plymouth State			1/3/2011
St. Mary's			11/15/2004
Tufts				12/18/2000
UMass Boston			1/10/2011
University of New England	11/8/2010
Worcester State			12/13/2010

The following is a list of teams (in alphabetical order) that have not received a vote in the USCHO D-III poll since the 1998-99 season.

Code: 
Brockport
Concordia (WI)
Framingham State
MCLA*
Northland
Salve Regina
Suffolk
Western NE College
Westfield State

*No longer plays in D-III


The following is a list of teams that have been ranked #1 in the USCHO D-III poll since the 1998-99 season.
Code: 
Team		Times Ranked #1
Norwich		48
St. Norbert	45
Middlebury	39
Plattsburgh	25
RIT*		22
Oswego		16
Manhattanville	10
UW-River Falls	3
Elmira		2
UW-Superior	1
St. John's	1

*No longer plays in D-III

The following is a list the peak positions of the teams that have been ranked in the USCHO D-III poll since the 1998-99 season (but did not reach #1).
Code: 
Team			Peak	# of times at Peak
St. Thomas		2	3
UW-Stevens Point	2	3
St. Scholastica		2	3
UW-Stout		2	2
Hobart			2	1
Neumann			2	1
Bowdoin			3	2
Trinity			3	2
Williams		3	2
Adrian			4	3
Amherst			4	1
Lake Forest		4	1
New England College	5	2
Augsburg		5	1
Gustavus Adolphus	5	1
Hamline			5	1
Salem State		5	1
Geneseo			6	2
Curry			6	1
UMass Dartmouth		6	1
Fredonia		6	1
Bethel			6	1
Potsdam			7	3
Concordia (MN)		7	1
Southern Maine		7	1
Babson			8	3
Utica			8	2
Colby			8	1
MSOE			8	1
UW-Eau Claire		9	1
Castleton		9	1
Hamilton		9	1
Lebanon Valley*		10	3
Wentworth		10	2
Wesleyan		11	1
Skidmore		12	1
Nichols			13	3
St. Olaf		13	2
Marian			15	1
Buffalo State		15	1

And now, my new favorite list. The list that shows who reaps the benefits of name recognition:

The following is a list of the # of weeks that teams appeared in the USCHO D-III poll since the 1998-99 season.

(Note: From the 1998-99 season to the most recent poll (1/10/2010), there have been 204 polls)
Code: 
Team			# of appearances
[B]St. Norbert		200[/B]
Middlebury		198
[B]Norwich			191[/B]
[B]Plattsburgh		166[/B]
UW-River Falls		160
UW-Superior		159
[B]Oswego			151[/B]
[B]Manhattanville		137[/B]
[B]Bowdoin			115[/B]
St. Thomas		107
RIT*			106
Elmira			100
Hobart			80
St. John's		69
Amherst			58
UW-Stout		57
New England College	53
[B]Adrian			52[/B]
UW-Stevens Point	52
Trinity			47
Colby			41
St. Scholastica		39
[B]Williams		38[/B]
[B]Geneseo			34[/B]
[B]Hamline			33[/B]
Babson			31
[B]Neumann			32[/B]
Curry			30
[B]Gustavus Adolphus	30[/B]
UMass Dartmouth		21
Wentworth		19
Fredonia		18
[B]Utica			19[/B]
Lake Forest		17
Concordia (MN)		13
Bethel			12
Potsdam			12
[B]Castleton		11[/B]
[B]MSOE			11[/B]
Augsburg		10
Southern Maine		9
UW-Eau Claire		8
Salem State		7
Nichols			6
St. Olaf		5
Skidmore		4
Lebanon Valley*		3
Hamilton		2
Wesleyan		1
Marian			1
Buffalo State		1

*No longer plays in D-III
[B]Teams currently ranked in bold[/B]



The following is a list of the longest streak of consecutive weeks that a team was ranked (in alphabetical order).
Code: 
Team			Length	Start		End
[B]Adrian			52	1/14/2008	present[/B]
Amherst			12	12/7/1998	3/8/1999
Augsburg		8	10/19/1998	1/18/1999
Babson			13	3/5/2007	2/4/2008
Bethel			5	11/7/2005	12/5/2005
Bowdoin			26	1/7/2002	2/24/2003
Buffalo State		1	11/29/2010	11/29/2010
Castleton		7	1/22/2007	3/5/2007
Colby			13	12/2/2002	3/10/2003
Concordia (MN)		6	11/11/2002	12/16/2002
Curry			21	12/1/2003	1/10/2005
Elmira			54	11/5/2007	11/22/2010
Fredonia		13	11/15/2004	2/21/2005
Geneseo			13	1/23/2006	12/4/2006
[B]Gustavus Adolphus	20	12/14/2009	present[/B]
Hamilton		1	1/20/2003	1/20/2003
[B]Hamline			23	11/23/2009	present[/B]
Hobart			36	11/5/2007	11/6/2009
Lake Forest		17	11/10/2003	11/8/2004
Lebanon Valley*		3	2/11/2002	2/25/2002
Manhattanville		68	11/1/2004	10/20/2008
Middlebury		179	1/10/2000	11/22/2010
Marian			1	11/8/2010	11/8/2010
[B]MSOE			7	11/15/2010	present[/B]
Neumann			16	11/13/2006	10/15/2007
New England College	21	3/7/2005	11/20/2006
Nichols			6	2/2/2009	3/9/2009
Norwich			135	2/12/2001	2/9/2009
[B]Oswego			136	11/3/2003	present[/B]
Plattsburgh		98	10/19/1998	11/22/2004
Potsdam			5	11/4/2002	12/2/2002
RIT*			106	10/19/1998	1/31/2005
Salem State		6	12/11/2000	1/29/2001
Skidmore		2	1/8/2007	1/15/2007
Southern Maine		7	11/26/2007	1/28/2008
St. John's		69	11/4/2002	11/6/2006
[B]St. Norbert		162	3/5/2001	present[/B]
St. Olaf		4	2/2/2009	2/23/2009
St. Scholastica		31	12/1/2008	10/25/2010
St. Thomas		29	12/10/2001	3/3/2003
Trinity			21	11/22/2004	12/12/2005
UMass Dartmouth		17	11/27/2006	11/19/2007
Utica			9	11/6/2006	1/15/2007
UW-Eau Claire		4	11/10/2008	12/1/2008
UW-River Falls		52	10/16/2002	2/28/2005
UW-Stevens Point	23	11/29/1999	2/6/2001
UW-Stout		34	11/13/2006	11/10/2008
UW-Superior		58	2/14/2000	12/1/2003
Wentworth		8	3/3/2003	12/1/2003
Wesleyan		1	2/5/2007	2/5/2007
[B]Williams		21	12/7/2009	present[/B]

*No longer plays in D-III
[B]Active streaks in bold[/B]
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Above data last edited by MCullen; 01-10-2011 at 03:45 PM Thanks MCullen!
 
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Re: Utica College 2010-11

I've seen Utica play three times this year and they looked pretty good. Their SOS is great, their goals for and against are great, powerplay is like 27%. "Could of" beaten Oswego either game. Who I'm afraid of is Elmira, handled UC twice . They must be peaking.
 
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Does anyone know where I can find a "current" national PWR for D3 ? The one I see is always a week or two behind.
 
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sshablak said:
Who I'm afraid of is Elmira, handled UC twice . They must be peaking.
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As good as UC looked last weekend (and they looked fantastic on Saturday night), I'm afraid of every one of the remaining games. Like you said, Elmira has had their number this year, but I don't care that Manhattanville is 2-6 in conference this year, those games are going to be tough. With 3 of the next 4 on the road, the next two weekends are critical to UC's chances at a Pool C bid. Lose those away games and the Elmira game might not mean as much as we all hope that it will.

The one thing that makes me feel good about these final five regular season tilts... the goaltending. Both Smith and Therrien have been equally solid between the pipes. Both are getting equal playing time and have been performing at a high level. Smith has been getting the Friday games, so both of his next two starts will be on the road. Lots of pressure there, but I think the rookie can handle it.
 
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sshablak said:
Does anyone know where I can find a "current" national PWR for D3 ? The one I see is always a week or two behind.
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No it's up to date.

The games that don't count against D-II teams or Western Region teams are taken out of records and Utica has a few of those.
 
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PrezdeJohnson09 said:
No it's up to date.

The games that don't count against D-II teams or Western Region teams are taken out of records and Utica has a few of those.
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They do..?Which games?(They all look like D-3 Eastern teams to me,but I'm no expert on this topic.)
 
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The national PWC has UC at 12-5 and 10th. The Eastern PWC has them fourth and 13-5.
 
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I haven't looked at the National PWC. The sorting in that is simply by winning percentage, not by rankings. You can sort by any of the criteria, but not by an overall ranking the way that the DI PWR works. The reason is that the weights of the criteria are fungible. In the famous "smoke filled room" (actually a conference call) the committee can choose the weights in whatever manner they want. The only way can be sure that team A will be ahead of team B is if they win all comparisons.
 
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The number of games played by following teams are different in the National and the Eastern PWC. (All western teams show the same number of games played in the National and the Western PWC)

School regional vs national

Plymouth State 15 vs 12
Utica 18 vs 17
Fitchburgh State 16 vs 10
Mass-Boston 16 vs 13
Mass Dartmouth 16 vs 11
Williams 16 vs 15
Salem State 16 vs 12
Colby 19 vs 15
Nichols 13 vs 12
Babson 18 vs 16


Any explanation or hypotheses for the difference between the regional and the national RWC number of games played? They certainly don't seem to be random differences.
 
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Ozz said:
Utica's two games against Franklin Pierce are not considered in the PWR because they are DII..
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Thanks!(I thought D-2 hockey was extinct.)In that light,I don't see the point in scheduling a F-P again.

Seeing those games were about on par entertainment-wise with watching a puppy getting spanked repeatedly with a rolled-up newspaper:no fun at all for anyone involved...(And a complete waste of time,since they counted for nothing,excepting the gate and the beer sales at The Aud.)

Hope that doesn't happen again.I'd MUCH rather see the usual home-and-home vs. Hamilton,for example.
 
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Fishman'81 said:
Thanks!(I thought D-2 hockey was extinct.)In that light,I don't see the point in scheduling a F-P again.

Seeing those games were about on par entertainment-wise with watching a puppy getting spanked repeatedly with a rolled-up newspaper:no fun at all for anyone involved...(And a complete waste of time,since they counted for nothing,excepting the gate and the beer sales at The Aud.)

Hope that doesn't happen again.I'd MUCH rather see the usual home-and-home vs. Hamilton,for example.
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This kind of thing happens because Utica, like most top flight programs, wants as many home games as possible. They also want to keep the rides short when they do have to venture out, which can limit your scheduling opportunities. Franklin Pierce will come to Utica and get throttled without expecting a return trip next year because they really don't matter enough to expect it. That will allow Utica to schedule an extra pair of home games next year, probably against another patsy that won't be looking for a return trip.

There is also the possibility that a team backed out on a scheduled set of games (maybe Hamilton) and they took what they could get in the Raven's.

A third possibility is that Heenan wasn't sure his young team would be in a position to challenge for an NCAA bid this season so he scheduled some stiffs early in the season to get them acclimated with the college game and each other.
 
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Laker28 said:
There is also the possibility that a team backed out on a scheduled set of games (maybe Hamilton) and they took what they could get in the Raven's.
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I'm thinking that this was the case.

The local rag was all up in arms about not playing HC for the first time in the history of the Utica program,but placed no blame,and provided little information as to the details.

I have no idea what happened there,either,but it's a shame.A natural rivalry was put on hold,and a couple of de-facto exhibition games took its place.

Certainly would interest me to know what the deal was.Heenan is an HC grad,so maybe this one time,it wasn't his fault!

:)
 
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That is the most likely scenario, Hamilton did play in the Pathfinder tournament in Oswego, I think in place of another team, so that might have had something to do with it.
 
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Hello everybody, I was just thinking...has anyone heard of anything new about Utica's application to the SUNYAC? I know that the decision has been put off since May but as always I am betting there's rumors going around about yes or no on the application. I had heard probably no from some people who talked to some people from Utica(mostly due to the renewed strength of Utica from this season so as always why make their conference with only one autobid) but I was wondering if anyone can confirm or deny this. Thanks.
 
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Hockeyfan2113 said:
Hello everybody, I was just thinking...has anyone heard of anything new about Utica's application to the SUNYAC? I know that the decision has been put off since May but as always I am betting there's rumors going around about yes or no on the application. I had heard probably no from some people who talked to some people from Utica(mostly due to the renewed strength of Utica from this season so as always why make their conference with only one autobid) but I was wondering if anyone can confirm or deny this. Thanks.
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I hear from a couple of UC "insiders" that the majority SUNYAC AD's don't want Utica in. That is understandable,when you consider that Oswego and Plattsburgh already dominate in that league,so why would a mid-level SUNYAC team want to face another stumbling-block..?D-3 post-season bids are a precious enough commodity as it is.

Tell ya what,though:get rid of the AQ's and use an objective set of criteria instead,and there would be no reason for the ECAC-W to disband in the first place.
 
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