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USCHO Poster's Poll: '16-'17

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Eeyore said:
Which is as many as the ECAC and Hockey East have combined. There is a very strong bias against teams with winning records getting swept, because they tend not to be winning teams if that happens.
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Out east we play lots of 1 game series, which has been known to prevent a 2 game sweep.

Most teams in the WCHA (Bemidji, Minnesota, Minnesota State, North Dakota, Ohio State) are not scheduled to play a non-conference game against a team with a current winning record.

Every Hockey East team has played or will play a non-conference opponent with a winning record, so will 10 of the 12 ECAC teams.
 
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EastFan1 said:
Out east we play lots of 1 game series, which has been known to prevent a 2 game sweep.

Most teams in the WCHA (Bemidji, Minnesota, Minnesota State, North Dakota, Ohio State) are not scheduled to play a non-conference game against a team with a current winning record.

Every Hockey East team has played or will play a non-conference opponent with a winning record, so will 10 of the 12 ECAC teams.
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We're talking non-conference games (otherwise, the WCHA has more than 1 series sweep against a winning team), and the eastern schools play almost entirely 2 game series out of conference. Indeed, I can find exactly 1 exception among the teams that really count: Quinnipiac's weekend against Connecticut and New Hampshire. So, you're now at the point of throwing up irrelevant chaff in an attempt to confuse the issue.

Do you want to make a point that isn't contradicted by the facts?
 
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5mn_Major said:
I might take in your point if the WCHA wasn't 15-1-2 against NC opponents. All your stat does is show how tough it is on a team's record to be in a conference with 2-3 pretty unstoppable teams.
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15-1-2? I think 16-1 says a lot more about the relative strength over time. Particularly since the 1 was an Olympic year.
 
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Eeyore said:
the eastern schools play almost entirely 2 game series out of conference.

Do you want to make a point that isn't contradicted by the facts?
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Your kidding right? The teams near Boston play non-conference one-offs like Brown against UConn or Dartmouth against Northeastern or Quinny v. UNH. Then there's the 12 teams in multiple games in the Beanpot, Nutmeg and Windjammer Classic. Then stuff like the Mayor's cup. So facts, yeah.
 
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EastFan1 said:
Your kidding right? The teams near Boston play non-conference one-offs like Brown against UConn or Dartmouth against Northeastern or Quinny v. UNH. Then there's the 12 teams in multiple games in the Beanpot, Nutmeg and Windjammer Classic. Then stuff like the Mayor's cup. So facts, yeah.
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None of those are relevant. You were not talking about games that haven't been played yet; your comment was that the WCHA has only swept one series against a non-conference opponent. The past tense was a crucial part of your point. Listing games that have not been played yet has absolutely nothing to do with your point. So, how many single game non-conference match ups have there been that were already played (future games are irrelevant) in which a team with a winning record lost. (If a team with a winning record beat a team with a losing record, that could not have resulted in a sweep of a team with a winning record had there been another game.)

Hell, I'll do your work for you: there has been exactly one such game: Quinnipiac over Connecticut on 10/7. That's it. You're hanging your argument on that one game.

Go home, you're embarrassing yourself.
 
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EastFan1 said:
Out east we play lots of 1 game series, which has been known to prevent a 2 game sweep.

Most teams in the WCHA (Bemidji, Minnesota, Minnesota State, North Dakota, Ohio State) are not scheduled to play a non-conference game against a team with a current winning record.

Every Hockey East team has played or will play a non-conference opponent with a winning record, so will 10 of the 12 ECAC teams.
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and your point is?
maybe the teams with winning records don't want to play the WCHA teams given that in the games that matter, at the NCAA FF, WCHA wins over 75% of the games
 
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EastFan1 said:
No point. Your right. More Lindenwood.
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We probably don't need to schedule any differently. The WCHA schedule is tough enough...and based on national championships, the recipe works quite well. Remember BC last year? There was a general consensus that they played too soft of a schedule and there's a good chance it cost them. Almost never does any team in the WCHA play that soft a schedule.

Your whole premise is invalid based on the current strength of schedule:

1. Bemidji 4-7-1
2. Wisconsin 11-0-1
3. North Dakota 6-4-2
4. Duluth 7-2-3
5. Harvard 1-5-0
6. Dartmouth 1-5-0
8. St. Cloud 4-7-1
 
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Lindenwood has 5 series against WCHA teams this year. I believe they had 6 last year.

Is this the WCHA teams trying to schedule 'easy' victories for themselves or this something closer to community service? Lindenwood needs to schedule a lot of OOC games and they already have serious travel issues for their conference games.
 
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We can all pick meaningless stats, but what does it prove? Last year, BC was 40-0 against teams from the East, 0-1 against teams from the West. There is some math for you.
 
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KTDC said:
Lindenwood has 5 series against WCHA teams this year. I believe they had 6 last year.

Is this the WCHA teams trying to schedule 'easy' victories for themselves or this something closer to community service? Lindenwood needs to schedule a lot of OOC games and they already have serious travel issues for their conference games.
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It's community service. Mark Johnson has said this directly. Geographically the wcha is the closest to them as well. They might as well just join the wcha, based on geography.
 
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ARM said:
We can all pick meaningless stats, but what does it prove? Last year, BC was 40-0 against teams from the East, 0-1 against teams from the West. There is some math for you.
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To be fair, I think they were actually 2-1 vs the west. Swept an opening series against UMD.
 
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Timothy A said:
It's community service. Mark Johnson has said this directly. Geographically the wcha is the closest to them as well. They might as well just join the wcha, based on geography.
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it is in the best interest of WCHA schools that Lindenwood be a successful program, if one of the WCHA schools left the conference or dropped women's hockey, or another school wanted to join the WCHA, Lindenwood could be a logical school to try to replace them or become the 10th team.

it's also sunny and warm compared to most of the WCHA schools :o
 
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pokechecker said:
it is in the best interest of WCHA schools that Lindenwood be a successful program, if one of the WCHA schools left the conference or dropped women's hockey, or another school wanted to join the WCHA, Lindenwood could be a logical school to try to replace them or become the 10th team.

it's also sunny and warm compared to most of the WCHA schools :o
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I would not like the wcha to go to 10 teams because it would reduce the n/c games unless you went with an unbalanced league schedule, which would suck.

Lindenwood is hosting the ncaa's this year, correct?
 
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FiveHoleFrenzy said:
To be fair...
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I was trying to follow the precedent established: pick an arbitrary stat, use it incorrectly with inaccuracies, extrapolate like crazy, and then act like you've proven something.

Plus, I'm old, and I don't remember things that happened over 12 months ago. ;) Or 12 minutes ago.
 
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ARM said:
I was trying to follow the precedent established: pick an arbitrary stat, use it incorrectly with inaccuracies, extrapolate like crazy, and then act like you've proven something.

Plus, I'm old, and I don't remember things that happened over 12 months ago. ;) Or 12 minutes ago.
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I was somewhat surprised that no BC supporters mentioned the UMD games but they are just checked out except for GS.

I found myself walking down the hall at work today and I forgot why I was walking down the hall. I'm not even sure you need to be old to do that. :)
 
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