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USCHO D3 Rankings

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nbound

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For the Jan 4, poll, how do UWRF and UWS get ranked above Lake Forest?:confused: Because they lost to UMass? Get real. UWRF and UWS both have losses or ties to teams they should have beat. Are the pollsters ranking UWRF an UWS based on those teams historical performance instead of reality?
 
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nbound said:
For the Jan 4, poll, how do UWRF and UWS get ranked above Lake Forest?:confused: Because they lost to UMass? Get real. UWRF and UWS both have losses or ties to teams they should have beat. Are the pollsters ranking UWRF an UWS based on those teams historical performance instead of reality?
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I think it is sort of like that. People aren't used to seeing Lake Forest up there, so as soon as they show weakness they drop far. St Kates will not even be in consideration anymore after losing to River Falls. Lake Forest should be ranked above UWS/RF clearly, but people are taking this one loss way too far.
 
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As it relates to this week's rankings, I'd love to know what is running through voters' minds when Elmira is ranked higher than Plattsburgh. No problem with Amherst beind No. 1. Fully agreed. But Elmira beating Amherst who beat Plattsburgh does not equal Elmira beating Plattsburgh nor does it take away two losses to Plattsburgh earlier this season. A three-loss team with two losses against a team that was ranked lower than it when it happened (Platty) and one loss against what was an unranked team at the time (Manhattanville) is better than a one loss team whose loss was to the team that is now No. 1? Strange.

Nice to see Trinity keeping on climbing but hard for me to believe that in a matchup of top 5 teams they would have any chance.
 
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I suspect that the coaches who do this poll just mail it in (e-mail) and high-spot the one or two folks they think have moved up in their minds due to recent performance, and that they don't revisit anyone else who didn't trip or otherwise distinguish themselves. In some ways, it probably is even more bogus than the fan opinion poll where at least the few fans who vote pay attention and are called to account for any strange oversights.
 
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I guess I'm half surprised to see Elmira ahead of Plattsburgh. However, considering Elmira winning the Pather/Cardinal Classic and taking 3 point of 4 from RIT (all on the road) in eight days is pretty impressive.

The homer in me thinks the two head-to-head wins by Plattsburgh should count more than they apparently do. Plattsburgh has one loss to the #1 team, while Elmira has a loss to the current #8 (in addition to the two losses to Plattsburgh) and a tie to #4.

Oh well, it's just a January poll.
 
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And how do positions 5-9 (including 2 NCHA teams) get ranked ahead of Lake Forest? Because they lost a fluke game to UMASS or is it just that people are not comfortable seeing Lake Forest doing better than the perennial NCHA powers of UWRF, UWS,and UWSP:confused:
 
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nbound said:
And how do positions 5-9 (including 2 NCHA teams) get ranked ahead of Lake Forest? Because they lost a fluke game to UMASS or is it just that people are not comfortable seeing Lake Forest doing better than the perennial NCHA powers of UWRF, UWS,and UWSP:confused:
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DAAAA.... the pollsters are beginning to position western teams for the D3 championships being held out west this year.:rolleyes:
 
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notfromaroundhere said:
Elmira/Plattsburgh/Amherst = scissors/rock/paper

This week's poll
1) Scissors
2) Paper
3) Rock

Last week's poll
1) Rock
2) Scissors
3) Paper

Next week's poll
1) Paper
2) Rock
3) Scissors
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LOL - that's the best explanation for poll results I think I've ever seen. It really is a crap shoot at the top. No one wants to see their team listed third in a three-way scrum....that's my excuse and I'm sticking to it.
 
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To give people a little more food for thought here is the way I voted.

1.Amherst
2.Plattsburgh
3.Elmira
4.Manhattanville
5.River Falls
6.Trinity
7.RIT
8.Middlebury
9.Lake Forest
10.Superior
 
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As far as the NCHA teams go, RF hasn't played bad against anyone. Including tonight they now have 3 losses. Superior, a ranked team, GAC a western power and Adrian a top 10 team from a season ago who struggled against eastern opponents but is tied for second in the NCHA and in my opinion finishes the season very strong.

Superior meanwhile has lost to Lake Forest so that one is harder to explain away.

Lake Forest went 1-0-1 against Superior, but meanwhile they also went 1-0-1 against Stevens Point. Now I believe Stevens Point is a little down early this year so thats and understandable win. But the also have 2 wins against a bad Finlandia team.

So I think RF higher is ok for now, but LF should be above UWS. Also if LF gets at least 9 of 12 points in the next 3 weeks vs Adrian (2) Marian (4) and EC (3)and RF gets anything less then 7 points during that time Adrian should move ahead of RF.
 
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I think top 5 will stay the same.

1. Amherst
2. Elmira
3. Plattsburgh
4. RIT
5. Trinity

Then things shake up.
6. Manhattanville
7. River Falls
8. Superior
9. Middlebury
10. Gustavus

This is probably what should happen...in reality Middlebury will probably stay at 7 or move to 6...and the others move down.
 
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gojackets said:
I think top 5 will stay the same.

1. Amherst
2. Elmira
3. Plattsburgh
4. RIT
5. Trinity

Then things shake up.
6. Manhattanville
7. River Falls
8. Superior
9. Middlebury
10. Gustavus

This is probably what should happen...in reality Middlebury will probably stay at 7 or move to 6...and the others move down.
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1) Amherst
2) Elmira
3) Plattsburgh
4) Trinity
5) RIT
6) Gustavus Adolphus
7) Middlebury
8) Wisconsin-River Falls
9) Norwich
10) Manhattanville
 
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HockeyDman said:
1) Amherst
2) Elmira
3) Plattsburgh
4) Trinity
5) RIT
6) Gustavus Adolphus
7) Middlebury
8) Wisconsin-River Falls
9) Norwich
10) Manhattanville
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I forgot Mville lost to Norwich...who lost to UMB. Only one of those two will be in.

I'd rearrange my bottom 5 to be

6. River Falls
7. Superior
8. Middlebury
9. Gustavus
10. Manhattanville. (Mville was ranked last week, while Norwich wasn't--Mville beat Norwich 7-0, while Norwich beat them 3-2 and Norwich did lose to UMB this week, which was enough to villify LFC.)

I also don't see why Trinity would move over RIT. Both played weaker teams this week, and both won.
 
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gojackets said:
I forgot Mville lost to Norwich...who lost to UMB. Only one of those two will be in.

I'd rearrange my bottom 5 to be

6. River Falls
7. Superior
8. Middlebury
9. Gustavus
10. Manhattanville. (Mville was ranked last week, while Norwich wasn't--Mville beat Norwich 7-0, while Norwich beat them 3-2 and Norwich did lose to UMB this week, which was enough to villify LFC.)

I also don't see why Trinity would move over RIT. Both played weaker teams this week, and both won.
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No extra deductions for M'Ville only tying NEC:confused:
 
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USCHO.com Division III Women's Poll
January 18, 2010

Team (First Place Votes) Record Points Last Poll
1 Amherst (12) 9-1-3 147 1
2 Elmira ( 2) 11-3-1 132 2
3 Plattsburgh ( 1) 10-1-1 124 3
4 RIT 10-2-3 102 4
5 Trinity 11-1-2 91 5
6 Middlebury 7-4-1 65 7
7 Wis.-River Falls 7-3-3 45 5
8 Wis.-Superior 8-3-2 41 9
9 Gustavus Adolphus 6-3-2 24 NR
10 Manhattanville 9-4-1 20 8
Others Receiving Votes: Norwich 17, Lake Forest 13, Utica 2, Salve Regina 1, St. Thomas 1

Until someone takes over first place in the NCHA from Lake Forest I still don't know how anybody can keep putting UWRF ( who tied UWEC twice last week) and UWS ahead of Lake Forest. They both trail Lake Forest by 6 pts.in NCHA standings. Hell If the pollsters are going to be that crazy, they might as well put UWEC and UWSP ahead of Lake Forest too.
 
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