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USCHO D3 Rankings
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They lost to GAC, UWS, and ADRIAN and tied UWEC twice how does that deserve a #7Re: USCHO D3 Rankings
Lakersfan's Rutter D3 poll has UMB ranked 22, NEC ranked 33, so, yes that is worse. Norwich is at least first in their division.(if you discount Holy Cross)
Lakersfan's Rutter D3 poll has UMB ranked 22, NEC ranked 33, so, yes that is worse. Norwich is at least first in their division.(if you discount Holy Cross)
gojackets
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It appears I was pretty much spot on. I had middlebury lower, but said they would probably go to 6 because of who they are, which they did.
Manhattanville over Norwich...theres not much of a difference between those two teams...only one will get into the NCAA's and lose in the quarters.
Nbound...refer to my post in the NCHA thread regarding Lake Forest's 6 point lead. Superior played Lake Forest the first two games of the season, LFC's 3rd and 4th. Its not an excuse, just thinkin if those games were played now we might have different results. Superior also hasn't lost since Nov. 21st while Lake Forest has lost recently and they weren't good losses. River Falls probably is too high.
It appears I was pretty much spot on. I had middlebury lower, but said they would probably go to 6 because of who they are, which they did.
Manhattanville over Norwich...theres not much of a difference between those two teams...only one will get into the NCAA's and lose in the quarters.
Nbound...refer to my post in the NCHA thread regarding Lake Forest's 6 point lead. Superior played Lake Forest the first two games of the season, LFC's 3rd and 4th. Its not an excuse, just thinkin if those games were played now we might have different results. Superior also hasn't lost since Nov. 21st while Lake Forest has lost recently and they weren't good losses. River Falls probably is too high.
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With Middlebury at 6 The pollsters must be on crack. The only team they have beaten with a better than .500 record is UMass. Anybody else with an above .500 record they've lost to. Losses to Elmira,Platty, Trinity, Amherst, and a tie with Amherst. Definitely ranked on historical performance not current.
With Middlebury at 6 The pollsters must be on crack. The only team they have beaten with a better than .500 record is UMass. Anybody else with an above .500 record they've lost to. Losses to Elmira,Platty, Trinity, Amherst, and a tie with Amherst. Definitely ranked on historical performance not current.
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Nbound, your bi-focals are on upside down. Every team that has beaten Middlebury this year is currently ranked ahead of them, so no crack smokin on that count. By ranking Middlebury 6th, what the voters are really saying is that so far they don't think very much of UWS, UWRF, GAC, LF, Manhattanville, etc. since those schools are all ranked below Midd.
Nbound, your bi-focals are on upside down. Every team that has beaten Middlebury this year is currently ranked ahead of them, so no crack smokin on that count. By ranking Middlebury 6th, what the voters are really saying is that so far they don't think very much of UWS, UWRF, GAC, LF, Manhattanville, etc. since those schools are all ranked below Midd.
gojackets
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Did you go to college for that education?? Let me get this straight...by ranking teams lower than Middlebury, they think those teams are worse than Middlebury...wow, never would have gotten that one by myself. Thank You!
Any other team that has not beaten a ranked team yet is not in the top ten. Regardless of where the teams are ranked. Was Trinity ranked when they beat Middlebury? No they moved up because they beat Middlebury. Middlebury is standing on name recognition right now.
The west is a mess right now. I have a feeling in the next couple weeks we will see a frontrunner come forward. Hopefully it will be my team
Did you go to college for that education?? Let me get this straight...by ranking teams lower than Middlebury, they think those teams are worse than Middlebury...wow, never would have gotten that one by myself. Thank You!
Any other team that has not beaten a ranked team yet is not in the top ten. Regardless of where the teams are ranked. Was Trinity ranked when they beat Middlebury? No they moved up because they beat Middlebury. Middlebury is standing on name recognition right now.
The west is a mess right now. I have a feeling in the next couple weeks we will see a frontrunner come forward. Hopefully it will be my team
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My point is that if Middlebury had lost to one or more teams ranked below them, then Nbound might have a point. But they didn't. The Western "powers" have all lost to unranked teams. Middlebury hasn't.
I got my education at the School of Hard Knocks. How 'bout you?
Did you go to college for that education?? Let me get this straight...by ranking teams lower than Middlebury, they think those teams are worse than Middlebury...wow, never would have gotten that one by myself. Thank You!
Any other team that has not beaten a ranked team yet is not in the top ten. Regardless of where the teams are ranked. Was Trinity ranked when they beat Middlebury? No they moved up because they beat Middlebury. Middlebury is standing on name recognition right now.
The west is a mess right now. I have a feeling in the next couple weeks we will see a frontrunner come forward. Hopefully it will be my team
My point is that if Middlebury had lost to one or more teams ranked below them, then Nbound might have a point. But they didn't. The Western "powers" have all lost to unranked teams. Middlebury hasn't.
I got my education at the School of Hard Knocks. How 'bout you?
gojackets
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Neumann's only lost to teams in last weeks top 6...except Utica, who tied Platty...they clearly should be above any western team also.
Nice commentary. Finally some one makes sense!!
Neumann's only lost to teams in last weeks top 6...except Utica, who tied Platty...they clearly should be above any western team also.
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The key word in your rebuttal is BEATEN. You mean that if an unnamed teambesides Middlebury lost to Elmira, lost to Platts, lost to Trinity. lost and tied Amherst and and their BIGGEST VICTORY was against a 9-7-0 team you would have them ranked 6th in the country. Ranked teams should be winning against teams with above .500 winning average, not losing to them. Try wearing clear lensed glasses instead the those rose tinted ones. and get off the crack
The key word in your rebuttal is BEATEN. You mean that if an unnamed teambesides Middlebury lost to Elmira, lost to Platts, lost to Trinity. lost and tied Amherst and and their BIGGEST VICTORY was against a 9-7-0 team you would have them ranked 6th in the country. Ranked teams should be winning against teams with above .500 winning average, not losing to them. Try wearing clear lensed glasses instead the those rose tinted ones. and get off the crack
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I have 20-20 vision so no glasses here. Perhaps you would prefer me to state my opinion in slightly different jargon in the hopes that you will finally understand the existence of a different point of view. Middlebury has not lost to a single team currently ranked below them, or currently unranked. Find me another team that can say that, and then perhaps that team should be ranked higher than Midd. Midd did not lose to St. Olaf, or Concordia, or UMB, etc. etc. etc.
I don't think any fans of D-III hockey would suggest that beating Potsdam is the same as beating Plattsburgh, similarly you shouldn't suggest that losing to Plattsburgh is the same as losing to Concordia.
The key word in your rebuttal is BEATEN. You mean that if an unnamed teambesides Middlebury lost to Elmira, lost to Platts, lost to Trinity. lost and tied Amherst and and their BIGGEST VICTORY was against a 9-7-0 team you would have them ranked 6th in the country. Ranked teams should be winning against teams with above .500 winning average, not losing to them. Try wearing clear lensed glasses instead the those rose tinted ones. and get off the crack
I have 20-20 vision so no glasses here. Perhaps you would prefer me to state my opinion in slightly different jargon in the hopes that you will finally understand the existence of a different point of view. Middlebury has not lost to a single team currently ranked below them, or currently unranked. Find me another team that can say that, and then perhaps that team should be ranked higher than Midd. Midd did not lose to St. Olaf, or Concordia, or UMB, etc. etc. etc.
I don't think any fans of D-III hockey would suggest that beating Potsdam is the same as beating Plattsburgh, similarly you shouldn't suggest that losing to Plattsburgh is the same as losing to Concordia.
gojackets
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Who said that?? But since Concordia and Plattsburgh have never played...you never know
Who said that?? But since Concordia and Plattsburgh have never played...you never know
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Even if you did wear glasses, they would be crystal clear like your answer. Hopefully nbound will finally get it. If not, maybe we can find a way to draw pictures to help out.
Even if you did wear glasses, they would be crystal clear like your answer. Hopefully nbound will finally get it. If not, maybe we can find a way to draw pictures to help out.
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It seems that the higher up a team gets in the rankings (fan or otherwise) --- the more animated the "discussion" becomes from their fans and un-fans (at least until the team gets in the top 5 and then the fans quiet down and hold their breath while the un-fans whip out the knives and start cutting away any fat)
I guess it's no fun running from in front of the pack, right?
...ah, yes, bring that heat for the hot stove -- February's a'comin' and we need some warmth. You guys are hilarious!Even if you did wear glasses, they would be crystal clear like your answer. Hopefully nbound will finally get it. If not, maybe we can find a way to draw pictures to help out.
It seems that the higher up a team gets in the rankings (fan or otherwise) --- the more animated the "discussion" becomes from their fans and un-fans (at least until the team gets in the top 5 and then the fans quiet down and hold their breath while the un-fans whip out the knives and start cutting away any fat)
I guess it's no fun running from in front of the pack, right?
gojackets
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I wasn't sure....I think they way I worded the sentence misconstrued my intentions. At the same time....they wouldn't be ranked in the top 5 if they hadn't beaten Midd. I'm just hoping an unranked team beats midd here soon so we can get this garbage over with.
I wasn't sure....I think they way I worded the sentence misconstrued my intentions. At the same time....they wouldn't be ranked in the top 5 if they hadn't beaten Midd. I'm just hoping an unranked team beats midd here soon so we can get this garbage over with.
YankeeZulu
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Never was close to being a math whiz, so I can't begin to figure out the methodology, but how did Colby College move up this week from #41 to #37 after losing to Wesleyan and getting shut out by Trinity? They have now lost to two #41 to #50 teams, and tied a third.
Never was close to being a math whiz, so I can't begin to figure out the methodology, but how did Colby College move up this week from #41 to #37 after losing to Wesleyan and getting shut out by Trinity? They have now lost to two #41 to #50 teams, and tied a third.
5 4 Fighting
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Phil D. Stands
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It's easy...NESCAC teams get an automatic bonus for getting beat by other NESCAC teams. Depending on the goal differential (actually 3 goals and they didn't get shutout by Trinity --- it was 3-5) they move up by that amount and get an extra rung up the ranking's ladder for losing away to a higher ranked team. It's always been this way, just as the NCHA teams get punished for ties, doubly punished for losses and ignored for wins (unless they showed up in the NCAA last four last year in which case they own an automatic #7 ranking no matter what their record) -- nBound and GoJackets are right insofar as the table is tilted. But in all seriousness, I think the rankings may move a Colby up for the SOS of its opponents (a rising tide will lift their boat, especially when some other teams are sinking.._)
It's easy...NESCAC teams get an automatic bonus for getting beat by other NESCAC teams. Depending on the goal differential (actually 3 goals and they didn't get shutout by Trinity --- it was 3-5) they move up by that amount and get an extra rung up the ranking's ladder for losing away to a higher ranked team. It's always been this way, just as the NCHA teams get punished for ties, doubly punished for losses and ignored for wins (unless they showed up in the NCAA last four last year in which case they own an automatic #7 ranking no matter what their record) -- nBound and GoJackets are right insofar as the table is tilted. But in all seriousness, I think the rankings may move a Colby up for the SOS of its opponents (a rising tide will lift their boat, especially when some other teams are sinking.._)