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US National Teams: U30s & Mrs. Potter, U22s, U18s Part II

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The process is supposed to identify the players with the potential to make the national team in a few years. The process is far from perfect, as several U18 players from Canada and US struggle to be average in college. We can all see who has a clue and who doesn't in a year or two. Coaches that consistently pick incorrectly should be weeded out of the selection process.
 
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EastFan1 said:
The process is supposed to identify the players with the potential to make the national team in a few years. The process is far from perfect, as several U18 players from Canada and US struggle to be average in college. We can all see who has a clue and who doesn't in a year or two. Coaches that consistently pick incorrectly should be weeded out of the selection process.
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Interesting idea. I don't know what the answer is and I'm not convinced there is even a problem. What I do know is that Canada and the US are so far ahead of the rest of the world they can make mistakes with their picks and still put a good product on the ice that will dominate the rest of the world's teams. I'm sure that different evaluators would make some different picks and do just as well because the talent in both countries is deep and the rest of the world isn't very close in matching the talent.

As far as U18 women that struggle to be average in college. I agree that there are such players but is it because they weren't a worthy U18 pick at the time or was it because of injury, lack of drive to be the best, disinterest in the work it takes to stay on top, or some other factor that happens after being picked for the U18 National team?
 
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HockeyEast33 said:
College coaches are part of the process already (and coach national teams) and that is part of the problem - they favor/select their own recruits sometimes at the expense of other, more talented players. Case in point this year - Princeton coach is the U18 national team coach. Girl who is committed to Princeton suddenly is at the National Festival - but has rarely been at NDC (only 1 other year) and never selected to the all-star game before (as a side note - she committed to Princeton to play soccer, not hockey - perhaps they will pick her up when the soccer season ends - Princeton always seems to have a very short bench). Possible she had a breakout year, but seems to be a pretty remarkable coincidence.
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There is a strong valid point here. Look at Harvard's incoming Frosh for 13'. Coach Stone had a hand in those selections for USA Hockey.
 
Re: US National Teams: U30s & Mrs. Potter, U22s, U18s Part II

For the Boy's U18 team, Team USA has hired professional coaches for that job. Why not for the female team. Seems to be way more money given to the NTDP than the girls U18 team, a disproportionate amount. Get ride of the College and high school coaches, there should be an effort to try to eliminate outside interest. Probably no perfect system but we can do better than this.
 
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Call It said:
Get ride of the College and high school coaches, there should be an effort to try to eliminate outside interest. Probably no perfect system but we can do better than this.
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Maybe we should have teams selected by anonymous posters on message boards. Apparently they are much better judges of hockey talent than professional coaches.
 
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SlewFoot said:
As far as U18 women that struggle to be average in college. I agree that there are such players but is it because they weren't a worthy U18 pick at the time or was it because of injury, lack of drive to be the best, disinterest in the work it takes to stay on top, or some other factor that happens after being picked for the U18 National team?
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Not when players prove they are unprepared for even college hockey within months of national team competition.
 
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ARM said:
Maybe we should have teams selected by anonymous posters on message boards. Apparently they are much better judges of hockey talent than professional coaches.
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By professional coaches.... hmmmm. They are paid by their employer/ college and volunteer for USA Hockey. Why? Interest of themselves and their college.

Did you ever see Armegeddon? Remember the scene where the guy goes "congrats we are going to space on a ship built by the lowest bidder". USA Hockey girls hockey is like that.

Hopefully they look hard at the goalies this week............!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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ARM said:
Maybe we should have teams selected by anonymous posters on message boards. Apparently they are much better judges of hockey talent than professional coaches.
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I'm listening to your ideas... chirp chirp chirp.

Mine is, to have USA Hockey hire coaches for the sole purpose of representing the U18 team. Not Harvard or Wisco
 
Re: US National Teams: U30s & Mrs. Potter, U22s, U18s Part II

I agree! Goaltending is highly suspect, Slobo has worked very had to get where she is! Miller didn't play last year "injured" Rigsby has had the road paved for her going back to her U12 days with Manon Rheaume and for the most part ALWAYS has had a great team in front of her, Bri. M. is a very hard worker but? and the other two Vetter & Schaus "taking it easy". The problem as I see it "For Some not All" is that once you are in the pool or have made the team you are in and it takes a lot to bump someone out! I think that no one wants to be on the record as having been the person who swapped out a PERENNIALLY SELECTED NATIONAL TEAM PLAYER in the event they don't win, the fingers will start pointing!

Call It said:
By professional coaches.... hmmmm. They are paid by their employer/ college and volunteer for USA Hockey. Why? Interest of themselves and their college.

Did you ever see Armegeddon? Remember the scene where the guy goes "congrats we are going to space on a ship built by the lowest bidder". USA Hockey girls hockey is like that.

Hopefully they look hard at the goalies this week............!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: US National Teams: U30s & Mrs. Potter, U22s, U18s Part II

Always blaming the Goalie.

I'm not a big WI fan but I do feel Rigsby is outstanding and deserving. She's big, quick has great angles. I'm a fan. I think she's had a great team in front of her. Offense yes defense not so great. she plays in the toughest conference with TON of scoring.

Personally I haven't liked the defensive play in our end. Meaning defense and forward responsibilities. Also feel they pick to Offensive minded D. I think D can be overrated because they play on a top team like Minny, WI etc D only play in their zone maybe 30 -40% of the time etc

Maybe look at D on teams that play D 60-80% in there own zone. Example Harvard had a nice D a few years back I think her name wa Farni . Was she even considered? I'm sure there are more Defensive minded solid D.
 
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Re: US National Teams: U30s & Mrs. Potter, U22s, U18s Part II

I agree! Rigs is good! But having said that I would like to have had an opportunity to have seen her Vetter & Schaus play for a lesser team and see how they hold up when they are a 500 or less club?

And that's not just the goalies, both F's&D deal with the pressure of having to perform on a team that has a shallow bench! Not very many NATIONAL TEAM Players are from weak teams? which is a legit concern for players who want to maybe go somewhere that they can make a difference without the fear of being lost?
Just a thought?

WCHFan said:
Always blaming the Goalie.

I'm not a big WI fan but I do feel Rigsby is outstanding and deserving. She's big, quick has great angles. I'm a fan. I think she's had a great team in front of her. Offense yes defense not so great. she plays in the toughest conference with TON of scoring.
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I'll agree with you.

Don't think it will change. I feel teams are pretty much set with the same players of past years other than a few spots. And probably 40+ players challenging for those. Just don't feel a lesser known will get the opp.
 
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I have some comments, thoughts, and questions after going to this evening's National Festival scrimmages...

1) I realize it's an ice rink, but is there a way to warm up the spectator seating? Brrr... :o

2) My night would have been much more enjoyable if USA Hockey provided a lineup sheet for these scrimmages. Figuring out some of the players was easy, based on body size (Rachel Ramsey, Erica Lawler, and Gigi Marvin), breezer and helmet colors (Ramsey in Gopher gear, Erika Wheelhouse in BSU green, Lauren Slebodnick in Cornell red), or wearing their "traditional" number (Jenny Potter wearing #12 and the Lam twins wearing #7 and #17). But I was not able to link player numbers to names in many cases, including being completely stumped during the U18 intra-squad scrimmage.

3) Apparently the U22 rule isn't hard and fast, because Lawler (age 25) and the Lam twins (age 23) were on the U22 Red team tonight. Just sayin'. :confused:

4) I had an Amanda Kessel sighting in the bleachers this evening. Didn't get a chance to converse with her, though.

5) Outside of the USA Hockey personnel, coaches Brad Frost and Brian Idalski were in attendance.
 
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So the Calgary team is named and Canada is sending only U-22 but the USA gets to send 4 forwards that are too old?
Whats up with that?
Forwards: Kendall Coyne, Lammaroux Twins, Dempsey, Skarupa, Savage, Decker, Smelker, Fry, Ericksonn, Brandt, Stedman.
Soooo,,,,,,not a U-22 Series then? Wheres the sportsmanship in that win? just asking,,,,,,,,
 
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Have the U18 & U22s select teams been selected?


FanIceC said:
So the Calgary team is named and Canada is sending only U-22 but the USA gets to send 4 forwards that are too old?
Whats up with that?
Forwards: Kendall Coyne, Lammaroux Twins, Dempsey, Skarupa, Savage, Decker, Smelker, Fry, Ericksonn, Brandt, Stedman.
Soooo,,,,,,not a U-22 Series then? Wheres the sportsmanship in that win? just asking,,,,,,,,
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HockeyEast33 said:
U-18 roster link isn't working - takes you to an Outlook login screen. Typical USA Hockey competence....
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I got it to work... http://usahockey.cachefly.net/2012%20U18%20Womens%20Roster%20-%20Series%20vs%20Canada.pdf
GOALTENDERS (2)
Sidney Peters 5-10 (178) 155 (69) 2/26/95 L Geneva, Ill. Chicago Mission
Alexis Shaw 5-7 (169) 145 (65) 3/10/95 L Troy, Mich. Honeybaked 19U

DEFENSEMEN (8)
Sydney Baldwin 5-8 (172) 135 (59) 1/4/96 L Shorewood, Minn. Minnetonka (Minn.) High School
Jincy Dunne 5-6 (167) 145 (65) 5/15/97 L O’Fallon, Mo. St. Louis Lady Blues 16U
Gracen Hirschy 5-9 (175) 160 (72) 4/4/95 L Fort Wayne, Ind. Culver Academies
Sidney Morin 5-5 (165) 130 (56) 6/6/95 R Chanhassen, Minn. Minnetonka (Minn.) High School
Kirsten Padalis 5-7 (169) 130 (56) 2/1/95 L Farmington Hills, Mich. Honeybaked
Maddie Rolfes 5-8 (172) 150 (68) 3/21/96 R West Des Moines, Iowa Chicago Fury
Jennifer Ryan 5-4 (162) 135 (59) 1/24/95 R Victor, N.Y. North American Hockey Academy White
Melissa Samoskevich 5-4 (162) 160 (72) 3/31/97 L Sandy Hook, Conn. Shattuck-St. Mary’s (Minn.)

FORWARDS (12)
Andrea Anastos 5-8 (172) 150 (68) 3/14/95 R Farmington Hills, Mich. Honkeybaked
Danielle Cameranesi 5-5 (165) 145 (65) 6/30/95 L Plymouth, Minn. Varsity Blake School (Minn.)
Taylar Cianfarano 5-5 (165) 140 (62) 7/21/96 L Oswego, N.Y. National Sports Academy
Sydney Daniels 5-8 (172) 150 (68) 4/19/95 L Southwick, Mass. Assabet Valley Red Major
Amy Menke 5-5 (165) 135 (59) 4/9/95 R Shakopee, Minn. Shakopee (Minn.) High School
Fiona McKenna 5-8 (172) 145 (65) 6/1/95 L Hinsdale, Ill. Chicago Mission
Cara Piazza 5-6 (167) 130 (56) 10/9/95 L Darien, Ill. Chicago Mission
Katherine Schipper 5-4 (162) 135 (59) 6/28/95 R Brooklyn Park, Minn. Breck School (Minn.)
Christine Vetter 5-10 (178) 160 (72) 9/7/95 R Lakeville, Minn. Lakeville (Minn.) North High School
Taylor Williamson 5-6 (167) 130 (56) 8/20/96 L Edina, Minn. Edina (Minn.) High School
Megan Wolfe 5-8 (172) 140 (62) 6/8/95 R Eagan, Minn. Eagan (Minn.) High School
Grace Zarzecki 5-5 (165) 140 (62) 9/24/96 R Chicago, Ill. Chicago Fury
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And just to answer my own question from earlier, the post on USAHockey.com that accompanied the roster says that the August 19th game is at 10 a.m. CDT.
 
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