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US Foreign Policy 3.0: We're The Mets of International Diplomacy

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Hovey gets his opinions from Bill Maher.

(Also: good god, he isn't funny anymore. His live audience must have a mean age of 75 or just get paid to laugh.)
 
Kepler said:
Hovey gets his opinions from Bill Maher.

(Also: good god, he isn't funny anymore. His live audience must have a mean age of 75 or just get paid to laugh.)
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You can argue it wasn't funny, but Maher has lately moved off a bit from his recent run of crying about woke culture and has spent more time targeting the orcs on the right. In fact he did it in the very same clip you shared by tearing into MTG.
 
Slap Shot said:
You can argue it wasn't funny, but Maher has lately moved off a bit from his recent run of crying about woke culture and has spent more time targeting the orcs on the right. In fact he did it in the very same clip you shared by tearing into MTG.
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Good, he always has his finger in the air and that shows his demo (elderly liberals) have had enough of the false equivalency BS.

Maher was always dumb but his one saving grace was he would say the thing you genuinely weren't permitted to (like saying the 9/11 terrorists were many terrible things but they weren't cowards). But then he started punching down and claiming that he was speaking for oppressed middle American whites "with common sense" and that is the opposite of what little good he did, being the most boring form of poutrage there is.
 
Drew S. said:
Countries do what they think is in their best interest. Shouldn’t it be concerning that more counties aren’t taking our side and backing Ukraine? The invasion has definitely been an L for Russia but I think just as significantly it has been an L for us diplomatically. Even countries we would consider strong allies have been lukewarm in their support of Ukraine.
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This is a profoundly stupid and ignorant comment.

Virtually all of Ukraine's neighbors have joined "us" (at least, those not otherwise in thrall to Putin), as has most of Western Europe. NATO has just gained a member and is about to gain a second - two countries that had zero intention of doing so prior to this invasion. The US managed to put together a worldwide consortium of countries that had no interest in any kind of sanctions against Russia, and the list continues to grow as time moves on. Russia has gone from "maybe kinda sorta world power" to a laughing stock at the hands of a much smaller nation, while not expending any active US military assets.


Honestly, this is a remarkably positive result for US diplomacy and military hardware. To say otherwise is to ignore plain realities. Stop reading the right wing propaganda garbage.
 
ISW and others are reporting musical chairs among senior Russian military leaders in Ukraine and perhaps the beginning of a soft purge after their failed offensive. Ukraine is supposedly gearing up for a May counter-offensive and I suppose Putin wants to make his changes now to give them some time to gel. Then again, if this is true, it seems like a pretty good time to catch them in the midst of their chaos.

I guess it just all comes down to when the mud dries up. That and the harvest have defined the timetable for military action in Eastern Europe since wheeled vehicles.

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aparch said:
Remind me again how this was all the fault of "NATO Expansion?"


If Russia really wanted peace, they'd withdraw. They don't. They want to genocide every Ukrainian and continue to reclaim their colonial expansion. They can't stand that Zelensky didn't put up with Putin's or Trump's bullsh**.
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Can someone explain how this is different than the old Cold War? So I still don’t get why the right wants to cave into the USSR so very badly. Drew, were you ok when they invaded Afghanistan? Or going back in time, the Berlin air lift- should we have just let them have it for “peace”?

sorry, the desire to let vlad get his way makes no sense at all given how the right made us hate and fear the USSR so much. Other than the word Soviet, this is that exactly the same, especially the nuclear threat.

Basically, the whole Cold War was to benefit the military industrial complex at the expense of our balanced economy. What a complete waste you are making that drew.
 
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The Right's fear/anger with the USSR was based on communism, or more accurately on socialism itself. They absolutely could not abide anything that threatened the "freedom" of the wealthy to rape everyone else. It's the same reason the Right opposed Child Labor Laws, Food and Drug Regulation, Medicaid, Medicare, OSHA, Unemployment Insurance, and Labor Unions.

Had Russia been exactly as expansionist and authoritarian but Rightwing, the Right would have regarded it as either a neutral or even an ally, as they did Pinochet and Peron and Franco.

It never had anything to do with human rights or flourishing or even with military threat. It had to do with their ideology of neofeudalism.

Now Russia under Putin has all the faults of the USSR: totalitarian, nuclear threat, expansionistic, self-declared enemy of the West and existential threat to NATO. But the Right admires Putin as a "strong leader."

They are all thugs. The Right is the same everywhere; country doesn't matter. They are the reptile brain we are emerging from as a species as we become more human and civilized. The Right is, ironically, the scum every religion has tried to lift us above.
 
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Well, it also had to do with the godless aspect. If the USSR was arch-Christian, they would have all moved there in the 20s.
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To be fair, there were plenty of Left apologists who were on the USSR's tip even long after it became obvious it was a totalitarian hellscape. There were Tankies long before Hungary. John Reed might have been the first sap, right at the birth. Lenin called them "useful idiots," and boy were they.

Now the Dumpies are repeating the mistake with their wet dream tyrant Putes.
 
MichVandal said:
Can someone explain how this is different than the old Cold War? So I still don’t get why the right wants to cave into the USSR so very badly. Drew, were you ok when they invaded Afghanistan? Or going back in time, the Berlin air lift- should we have just let them have it for “peace”?

sorry, the desire to let vlad get his way makes no sense at all given how the right made us hate and fear the USSR so much. Other than the word Soviet, this is that exactly the same, especially the nuclear threat.

Basically, the whole Cold War was to benefit the military industrial complex at the expense of our balanced economy. What a complete waste you are making that drew.
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Lots of cold hard Russian cash being spread around. Lots of good ol' patriotic 'mericans(and from other countries) getting rich peddling that Russkie propaganda.

Drew's just too dumb to be able to recognize it for what it is.
 
rufus said:
Lots of cold hard Russian cash being spread around. Lots of good ol' patriotic 'mericans(and from other countries) getting rich peddling that Russkie propaganda.

Drew's just too dumb to be able to recognize it for what it is.
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Exactly. The Russians have perfected the Billionaire society model. Americans just want to duplicate that here.
 
Interesting analysis on Ukraine

I'm curious to see how this plays out over the Summer. I kind of buy into the theory that BOTH sides are spent and that the international community will step in just like a Linesman does when players are done doing their thing.

Russia has shown that they are basically done with an offensive. They have nothing left in the tank to take land. Even if they do take some, they don't stand a shot at holding it.

Ukraine has done a wonderful job of punching above their weight. But they simply don't have the means to push Russia out if the Russians can put up any sort of resistance. They will get one shot, but it needs perfect execution to happen.
 
RaceBoarder said:
Interesting analysis on Ukraine

I'm curious to see how this plays out over the Summer. I kind of buy into the theory that BOTH sides are spent and that the international community will step in just like a Linesman does when players are done doing their thing.

Russia has shown that they are basically done with an offensive. They have nothing left in the tank to take land. Even if they do take some, they don't stand a shot at holding it.

Ukraine has done a wonderful job of punching above their weight. But they simply don't have the means to push Russia out if the Russians can put up any sort of resistance. They will get one shot, but it needs perfect execution to happen.
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What does “stepping in” mean, specifically? Even if Russia is spent militarily and on the verge of economic or political collapse, NATO boots on the ground still seems like the best step you could take if your goal was to instigate a nuclear exchange.
 
LynahFan said:
What does “stepping in” mean, specifically? Even if Russia is spent militarily and on the verge of economic or political collapse, NATO boots on the ground still seems like the best step you could take if your goal was to instigate a nuclear exchange.
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I wasn't necessarily referencing direct military involvement. But most of the world is bringing the hurt through sanctions. That is what is keeping Russia from being able to simply out last Ukraine here.

You also have the not so subtle addition of "military aid" being given from many unexpected places (South Korea for example) that is funneled to Ukraine in roundabout ways. NATO is directly, indirectly supporting them.
 
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