University of North Dakota, version 2.0

[Fighting Sioux 23]

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OK My memory may be bad but I remember the BC/UND game in St Louis differently. We were behind 3-2 when Oshie scored a short-handed goal to tie it 3-3. Then with 4:25 left Finley gets the phantom penalty: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PoDKUHtWxI&feature=related . Make sure you listen to the announcers after this penalty call and see Hakstol's reaction. BC scores on the power play to go up 4-3. We pull the goalie and BC scores an empty netter to go up 5-3. With the goalie still pulled we score to make it 5-4. BC then scores another empty net goal to make the final 6-4. We may not have lost specifically because we took more penalties than BC did but I'm just saying...

You have it correct basically. After BC pulled ahead 4-3 on the powerplay, we had a powerplay of our own. We pulled the goalie for a 6x4 advantage, and BC scored to make it 5-3. We then score with 15 seconds or so to make it 5-4, and then BC won the faceoff and scored an empty netter to win 6-4.

Also, we did not take more penalties than BC.

 

[Stack]

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You have it correct basically. After BC pulled ahead 4-3 on the powerplay, we had a powerplay of our own. We pulled the goalie for a 6x4 advantage, and BC scored to make it 5-3. We then score with 15 seconds or so to make it 5-4, and then BC won the faceoff and scored an empty netter to win 6-4.

Also, we did not take more penalties than BC.

I didn't say we took more penalties but in my mind Finley's phantom penalty cost us that game. JP is really the main reason we even had the chance since BC buzzed us the entire second period but bad or bad timing of penalties cost us.

 

[Fighting Sioux 23]

I didn't say we took more penalties.

Interesting...

We may not have lost specifically because we took more penalties than BC did but I'm just saying...

Also, if Finley didn't actually take that penalty, and that is what cost us the game, then wouldn't it be the refs that cost us the game?

 

[lord k]

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6 to 7 penalties in the national championship game are about 4 to many. It doesn't matter how many the other team takes. In a one and done situation against a top caliber opponent you can't afford to give them that many odd man chances. I love aggressive play as much as the next Sioux fan but in the NCAA tourny you have to play smart.

 

[cross cheque]

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I didn't say we took more penalties but in my mind Finley's phantom penalty cost us that game. JP is really the main reason we even had the chance since BC buzzed us the entire second period but bad or bad timing of penalties cost us.

The only thing that was "phantom" about Finley was his defense, big green pylon.

 

[Fighting Sioux 23]

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6 to 7 penalties in the national championship game are about 4 to many. It doesn't matter how many the other team takes. In a one and done situation against a top caliber opponent you can't afford to give them that many odd man chances. I love aggressive play as much as the next Sioux fan but in the NCAA tourny you have to play smart.

While your statement is nice, it's nowhere near being accurate. 6-7 penalties is pretty average for National Champions in NCAA play, and specifically in the title game. Here are some numbers from the past 12 champions...

2010 - BC - 10, 18, 8, 8 (Avg 11 PIM, or 5.5 penalties)
2009 - BU - 16, 6, 18, 16 (Avg 14 PIM, or 7 penalties)
2008 - BC - 12, 12, 24, 16 (Avg 16 PIM, or 8 penalties)
2007 - MSU - 16, 16, 6, 12 (Avg 12.5 PIM, or 6.25 penalties)
2006 - WISC - 21, 6, 16, 12 (Avg 13.75 PIM, or 6.875 penalties)
2005 - DU - 12, 14, 20, 18 (Avg 16 PIM, or 8 penalties)
2004 - DU - 26, 6, 14, 22 (AVG 17 PIM, or 8.5 penalties)
2003 - UMN - 8, 8, 10, 12 (AVG 9 PIM, or 4.5 penalties)
2002 - UMN - 24, 18, 10 (AVG 17.33 PIM or 8.67 penalties)
2001 - BC - 8, 8, 14 (AVG 10 PIM, or 5 penalties)
2000 - UND - 8, 14, 14 (AVG 12 PIM, or 6 penalties)
1999 - Maine - 8, 16, 12, 16 (AVG 13 PIM or 6.5 penalties)

As a whole, for NCAA Tournament games, the last 12 Title teams averaged 13.53 PIM or slightly more than 6.75 penalties per game.

In the National Championship game (which is what you mentioned) that number is slightly higher, with the champion averaging 13.833 PIM, or nearly 7 penalties per game.

 

[ecbrevik]

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Ok Sioux fans remember to place your Hobey vote every 24 hours.

Another day means another vote for Matt or Chay. I just voted did you?
http://www.hobeybakeraward.com

Maple Leafs are also showing their support for Matt.
http://mapleleafs.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=549341

There are 68 Hobey candidates and Matt was getting 68% of the entire vote.
Now he is down to ONLY 60%.

Seems that Chay with a respectible 5% needs more votes.

Matt holding the lead at 27% of the vote. The two RPI guys have made a strong push with 20% each.

 

[lord k]

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While your statement is nice, it's nowhere near being accurate. 6-7 penalties is pretty average for National Champions in NCAA play, and specifically in the title game. Here are some numbers from the past 12 champions...

2010 - BC - 10, 18, 8, 8 (Avg 11 PIM, or 5.5 penalties)
2009 - BU - 16, 6, 18, 16 (Avg 14 PIM, or 7 penalties)
2008 - BC - 12, 12, 24, 16 (Avg 16 PIM, or 8 penalties)
2007 - MSU - 16, 16, 6, 12 (Avg 12.5 PIM, or 6.25 penalties)
2006 - WISC - 21, 6, 16, 12 (Avg 13.75 PIM, or 6.875 penalties)
2005 - DU - 12, 14, 20, 18 (Avg 16 PIM, or 8 penalties)
2004 - DU - 26, 6, 14, 22 (AVG 17 PIM, or 8.5 penalties)
2003 - UMN - 8, 8, 10, 12 (AVG 9 PIM, or 4.5 penalties)
2002 - UMN - 24, 18, 10 (AVG 17.33 PIM or 8.67 penalties)
2001 - BC - 8, 8, 14 (AVG 10 PIM, or 5 penalties)
2000 - UND - 8, 14, 14 (AVG 12 PIM, or 6 penalties)
1999 - Maine - 8, 16, 12, 16 (AVG 13 PIM or 6.5 penalties)

As a whole, for NCAA Tournament games, the last 12 Title teams averaged 13.53 PIM or slightly more than 6.75 penalties per game.

In the National Championship game (which is what you mentioned) that number is slightly higher, with the champion averaging 13.833 PIM, or nearly 7 penalties per game.

The numbers speak for themselves but logically(without ever seeing the numbers) that just seems high. Interesting though. I would have never thought that.

 

[Goon]

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The only thing that was "phantom" about Finley was his defense, big green pylon.

That's not very nice.

 

[Mike Rane]

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Looking forward to some good high-octane hockey tonight. Gonna watch the game at the Hub, with the homeboys. Many Sioux fans put this rivalry down a bit, but I always love watching this style of hockey. Looking at CC's special teams numbers, we better play a disciplined game or we're gonna be behind the 8-ball in these games. One thing I like though, is that UND is playing awfully well on the road this year. That said, let's go light 'em up tonight!

 

[jdr1]

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SIOUX YA YA !!!! Let's go SIOUX kick some tiger ***. Bring home a sweep!!

 

[bik4u62]

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9 PM face off !?! Honust injin, or is that mtn time?

 

[PenaltyBoxBeast]

9 PM face off !?! Honust injin, or is that mtn time?

It is a late start. It's the latest start time in the past decade at the World Arena; the late start is to help accommodate CBScs who is broadcasting the Miami/Notre Dame basketball game before our hockey game. It's an 8:07pm start time here in Colorado.

 

[Fighting Sioux 23]

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Well, that was a disappointing result. The Sioux dominated stretches of the game and couldn't get anything past Howe, who played very well. We've now dropped 3 of our last 5 games, and are in a bit of a lull. Of course, the last time we lost 3 out of 5 we managed to go 11-1-1 over the next 13. At this point, we have 9 games remaining in the regular season. We are 1 point back of DU, who has 10 games left. Realistically, we will probably have to win 8 of our last 9 to give us a chance at the MacNaughton.

Hopefully we can put a few more in the net tomorrow and shore up a bit defensively. Hopefully Genoway isn't severly hurt, and is back tomorrow or at the very least two weeks from now against UAA. We need a win tomorrow.

 

[brianvf]

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Hakstol already said that Genoway wouldn't be playing tomorrow and that "others might be injured too".
Awesome, just what this team needs...they start going into a rut and now we get more injuries to good players.

Hopefully nothing is too serious with Chay...

 

[Roben]

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It is a late start. It's the latest start time in the past decade at the World Arena; the late start is to help accommodate CBScs who is broadcasting the Miami/Notre Dame basketball game before our hockey game. It's an 8:07pm start time here in Colorado.

That was a really low scoring basketball game

 

[Sloe Gin]

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Boy...if they ever needed a crucial win now would be a good time...

 

[bik4u62]

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Hopefully we can put a few more in the net tomorrow and shore up a bit defensively.

No expert here, but I'm not seeing something I used to see regularly from the Sioux. They aren't taking out the man in front, at least not like usual. Too many times they seem to follow the puck, waiting to see what sort of deke the skater is going to use on them. Until recently, they didn't care - they just hit the guy and removed the threat.

Saw Forbort go to his knee at the crease, playing goalie (and block Dell) instead of coming out after the shooter. 3rd goal (I think?), the puck was in front of the net, surrounded by 3 Sioux. But the CC skater was left alone to step up and swat in a cheap goal. Those were the worst, but I saw too much of that last night.

Again, I'm no expert. K - rip me.

 

[Fighting Sioux 23]

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No expert here, but I'm not seeing something I used to see regularly from the Sioux. They aren't taking out the man in front, at least not like usual. Too many times they seem to follow the puck, waiting to see what sort of deke the skater is going to use on them. Until recently, they didn't care - they just hit the guy and removed the threat.

Saw Forbort go to his knee at the crease, playing goalie (and block Dell) instead of coming out after the shooter. 3rd goal (I think?), the puck was in front of the net, surrounded by 3 Sioux. But the CC skater was left alone to step up and swat in a cheap goal. Those were the worst, but I saw too much of that last night.

Again, I'm no expert. K - rip me.

I'm no expert either, but I saw a lot of the same things you saw. The third goal was a terrible, terrible goal to give up. We had a similar goal against us against Minnesota.

That sucks about Genoway. Fortunately we're deepest at the blueline, so we have players that can step up.

I'd like to see the seniors step up tonight. Frattin hasn't scored in the last 5 games, so it would be nice if he could end that little streak. Trupp should have scored last night, but Howe robbed him a few times. Gregoire made some great individual plays on the goals last night, which was nice to see. Last night we played well enough offensively to win, but were not very good in our own end. If we can shore up the blueline, and keep up the pressure offensively, we will win tonight.

 

[lord k]

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Well the boys are going to have to tighten the chinstraps and go to work for the rest of the season! Losing Genoway really sucks but maybe it will make everyone play better. They know they are going to have to pick up the slack, so to say. They do need to play better in their own end which shouldn't be that hard of a fix. They play so much of the game in the opponents end of the rink that sometimes they do get a bit lax in their own end.