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UNH Wildcats 2017 Off-season: The Clash Question

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e.cat said:
It's great having high end talent but not so great having to replace them every year. It's got to, at the very least, be disruptive to team chemistry not to mention difficult on the coaching staff. Quinn's head must be spinning!
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I do not follow recruiting efforts of other teams but for those who might/do (Dan, 'Watcher) does BU simply "re-load" each season? How many Kellers/McAvoys/Greenways can there possibly be for them to recruit on a yearly basis? Answer: plenty. Teams like BU will rarely see the 4 year guy and you can say that Grizz was one but was that his choice, or the Bruins? (I dunno that's why I'm asking)

Remembering their transition year (Parker to Quinn) in 2013-14 when we did sweep BU? That was nice. Of course...Eichel comes in the next season and they go to the FF (we split with them that year; we had a 4-0 lead going into the 3rd but they managed to score 3 quick ones somehow we held on to win) so UNH has done well against them. This season I'd agree with Darius' comments and it was well evidenced at the game in Durham especially that they just turned it on and that was that. Good teams find a way to win and...you get it.

Yeah JB...winning games is fun and going to tournaments like the Regional/HE semi's etc is fun and I wouldn't mind that one bit....
 
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E.J. Smith said:
Sorry, I agree with most of what you're saying but I'm a lunatic about passing. The single most underrated and underappreciated skill in hockey.

So much can go "wrong" with a simple 15 foot pass to keep it from ending up in the back of the net. He holds it just a beat too long and the D and goalie slide over, it's in the guys skates a little or just a bit too far in front of him, it's not smooth, flat, and hard - it rolls a little or gets up on edger - or it's too hard or too soft so the receiver has to fight with it instead of shooting it.

I see that pass eph'd up way more often than I see it done right even at the D1 level.

I just never take good passing for granted.
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This is something I see in Lowell (as an example) that I absolutely love. Very crisp short passes in traffic, tape to tape, click-click-click. Watching teams like that break a forecheck is really interesting. Three quick passes between the end boards and the dot in the face off circle. Not jamming it up the wall but using the ice and triangles to zip around the forecheck pressure and out of zone. So many teams just take away the wall - why wouldn't you...
 
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HockeyRef said:
yeah I put that in the recruiting thread after having read that from C-H-C's twitter feed...hoping to watch and hoping it's not on NHL network because I don't have that subscription!!!
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FYI - It looks like Comcast is currently offering a free trial of the NHL Center Ice and MLB channels. The Hurricanes and Wild start at 7:30 pm.
 
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boblav1 said:
FYI - It looks like Comcast is currently offering a free trial of the NHL Center Ice and MLB channels. The Hurricanes and Wild start at 7:30 pm.
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Thanks for the tip; I don't get Comcast but hoping my nhl subscription will not block it out. Hoping to watch the B's and the Canes game simultaneously! EDIT: yes! The game is not blocked out.
 
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HockeyRef said:
I do not follow recruiting efforts of other teams but for those who might/do (Dan, 'Watcher) does BU simply "re-load" each season? How many Kellers/McAvoys/Greenways can there possibly be for them to recruit on a yearly basis? Answer: plenty. Teams like BU will rarely see the 4 year guy and you can say that Grizz was one but was that his choice, or the Bruins? (I dunno that's why I'm asking)

Remembering their transition year (Parker to Quinn) in 2013-14 when we did sweep BU? That was nice. Of course...Eichel comes in the next season and they go to the FF (we split with them that year; we had a 4-0 lead going into the 3rd but they managed to score 3 quick ones somehow we held on to win) so UNH has done well against them. This season I'd agree with Darius' comments and it was well evidenced at the game in Durham especially that they just turned it on and that was that. Good teams find a way to win and...you get it.

Yeah JB...winning games is fun and going to tournaments like the Regional/HE semi's etc is fun and I wouldn't mind that one bit....
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I could be wrong, but I think Chris Drury was a four year guy. Probably many others I just don't know or have the interest in looking it up. Maybe Quinn (MIGHT HAVE BEEN A FOUR YEAR GUY HIMSELF?) feels a lot of pressure to win it all quickly and the recruiting philosophy has changed under him. Dunno the answer to that.
 
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e.cat said:
I could be wrong, but I think Chris Drury was a four year guy. Probably many others I just don't know or have the interest in looking it up. Maybe Quinn (MIGHT HAVE BEEN A FOUR YEAR GUY HIMSELF?) feels a lot of pressure to win it all quickly and the recruiting philosophy has changed under him. Dunno the answer to that.
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Yep. Drury was a four year player. Quinn played 3 years, and while trying out for the '88 US Olympic team in what would have been his senior season at BU, came down with an illness that forced him into early retirement. He was a first round pick, too. Drury was a middle round pick IIRC, drafted by Quebec, signing after they moved to Colorado.

Maybe the "lost my career to illness" thing helps Quinn personally make peace with his better players leaving early?

FWIW I think it's fair to question both Quinn and even my boy Bazin as the years tick by, and they both continue to come up short of the big prize. Especially Quinn, whose recruiting position is far superior to that of Bazin.
 
Chuck Murray said:
Yep. Drury was a four year player. Quinn played 3 years, and while trying out for the '88 US Olympic team in what would have been his senior season at BU, came down with an illness that forced him into early retirement. He was a first round pick, too. Drury was a middle round pick IIRC, drafted by Quebec, signing after they moved to Colorado.

Maybe the "lost my career to illness" thing helps Quinn personally make peace with his better players leaving early?

FWIW I think it's fair to question both Quinn and even my boy Bazin as the years tick by, and they both continue to come up short of the big prize. Especially Quinn, whose recruiting position is far superior to that of Bazin.
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Agree about Quinn and Bazin coming up short. The UML loss to Notre Dame is baffling. Bazin himself said after the loss that he thought his team could have gone all the way. The BU collapse is more understandable to me in that they were young and never quite came together.
 
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e.cat said:
Agree about Quinn and Bazin coming up short. The UML loss to Notre Dame is baffling. Bazin himself said after the loss that he thought his team could have gone all the way. The BU collapse is more understandable to me in that they were young and never quite came together.
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When a team that is known for proficiency in holding onto leads gacks up a two goal lead with a trip to the FF on the line, it certainly does raise questions. I hate to say it, but to ignore it isn't fair either. I suspect it will prove to be "one of those things" and Bazin will get them over the hump at some point. But lots of folks felt the same about another came-close-but-never-got-there (soon to be retiring) HE coach, and we all know how that turned out. Bazin's inability to push his teams past a certain threshold (so far anyway) rings a few uncomfortably familiar bells in that regard. Time will tell.

As for BU, I'm not a huge fan of the model of getting guys in for a year. When BC was winning their titles, it seemed like they had a mix of four year players and a few high end guys who would stick around for 2-3 years - not too many "one-and-dones" (Chuck Kobasew aside?) - so it seemed like they did have chemistry out there. Plus they probably felt more a part of the program, rather than just coming in for a year as a stopover to the NHL. The most recent BU teams have clearly been loaded with talent, but they also seem to be missing something. Finding that mix (as Yorkie did for the better part of a decade), in my mind, is the key to getting to - and winning - the final game.

... why is it that every time I write complimentary things about BC, I feel nauseous and a need to shower immediately?
 
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Chuck Murray said:
When a team that is known for proficiency in holding onto leads gacks up a two goal lead with a trip to the FF on the line, it certainly does raise questions. I hate to say it, but to ignore it isn't fair either. I suspect it will prove to be "one of those things" and Bazin will get them over the hump at some point. But lots of folks felt the same about another came-close-but-never-got-there (soon to be retiring) HE coach, and we all know how that turned out. Bazin's inability to push his teams past a certain threshold (so far anyway) rings a few uncomfortably familiar bells in that regard. Time will tell.

As for BU, I'm not a huge fan of the model of getting guys in for a year. When BC was winning their titles, it seemed like they had a mix of four year players and a few high end guys who would stick around for 2-3 years - not too many "one-and-dones" (Chuck Kobasew aside?) - so it seemed like they did have chemistry out there. Plus they probably felt more a part of the program, rather than just coming in for a year as a stopover to the NHL. The most recent BU teams have clearly been loaded with talent, but they also seem to be missing something. Finding that mix (as Yorkie did for the better part of a decade), in my mind, is the key to getting to - and winning - the final game.

... why is it that every time I write complimentary things about BC, I feel nauseous and a need to shower immediately?
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Agree on all counts!

As far as Bazin goes, he is a very good coach no doubt and I like his demeanor too. He is approaching the "hump" and might get over it but that remains to be seen. He might still be on a bit of a learning curve himself if that makes sense. Close but not there yet. I think Jackson outcoached him in that game. Jackson's comment to his team after the win was something to the effect "I told you I love being the underdog!" and the team embraced it.
 
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Chuck Murray said:
As for BU, I'm not a huge fan of the model of getting guys in for a year. When BC was winning their titles, it seemed like they had a mix of four year players and a few high end guys who would stick around for 2-3 years - not too many "one-and-dones" (Chuck Kobasew aside?) - so it seemed like they did have chemistry out there. Plus they probably felt more a part of the program, rather than just coming in for a year as a stopover to the NHL. The most recent BU teams have clearly been loaded with talent, but they also seem to be missing something. Finding that mix (as Yorkie did for the better part of a decade), in my mind, is the key to getting to - and winning - the final game.
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With the NHL pulling more and more players early does the early York model work any longer? Do Gionta, Scuderi, Orpik stay the 4 & 3 years to lead that 2001 team, how about Kolanos making it to his sophomore year?

I think at this point you are lucky to get 3 years from an excellent player. Unless they are tiny they are all fare game for the NHL.

Seems like the places the NHL is less interested 5'9" and smaller forwards, goalies, and 5'10" and smaller D-men.
 
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HockeyRef said:
Yeah it wasn't a great game for either of them but it was good to see him (Pots) playing with the big boys!
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At least Pesce is highest plus/minus on team this year, at +21. Compare with TvR's +17 on a much better team.
 
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Snively65 said:
At least Pesce is highest plus/minus on team this year, at +21. Compare with TvR's +17 on a much better team.
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Thanks for sharing that I know Brett has had a good season! Great hockey night ahead my head is spinning!! :eek:
 
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HR's Hobey prediction Mike Vech. What's yours? And on another note Andrew Poturalski is re-assigned to Charlotte after a two game NHL stint.

Ps Tyler Kelleher was named Second Team All American East
 
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HockeyRef said:
HR's Hobey prediction Mike Vech.
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I picked Butcher a week ago (whenever they named the "Hat Trick") and said this was all feeling very 2002 (Leopold/Minnesota) to me. So let the wild keggers begin early to celebrate the D-1 title out in Denver!! :D ;)
 
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Chuck Murray said:
I picked Butcher a week ago (whenever they named the "Hat Trick") and said this was all feeling very 2002 (Leopold/Minnesota) to me. So let the wild keggers begin early to celebrate the D-1 title out in Denver!! :D ;)
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I'll be honest that's who I thought would win (Mike V) but like you when Butcher came into the mix I must say I was rooting for the Dman as they rarely give it to one!
 
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