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UNH Wildcats - '10 Playoff Edition

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Can someone describe UVM's goal? Was it a good goal? Garbage goal?
 
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Can someone describe UVM's goal? Was it a good goal? Garbage goal?

Kessel tried to flip the puck off the glass out of zone from about the faceoff dot. It took a weird bounce off the glass, Borisenok couldn't control it with either stick or skate. The UVM player picked it up going cross ice below the top of the circles, when he got to about mid ice he shot back across to the top corner. Foster wasn't screened but it was a well placed shot with the goalie tracking away from the puck.

Good goal, weird bonuce of the puck to set it up.

I have noticed in recent years BC and now UVM are much better at coralling bouncing pucks. BC has scored a fair number out of mid air. It may not just be recent years and goes back to UNH always having a hard time manufacturing dirty goals, they aren't good at controlling twisting & bouncing rebounds.
 
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It is not beating the trap that was the problem. They were OK with that. The problem was UVM very rarely let up odd man rushes and when they did kept the play to the outside and denied the pass. UVM took away the center of the offensive zone and UNH rarely went there. Easy for a quality goal to make lots of saves from low percentage areas. UNHs only real offense was on the break out / transition. UNH is clueless how the generate a goal against a good D cycling the puck.

UVM made UNH play UVMs game.

As for the line switch I thought it was a good try. The second line was getting nothng going Saturday because they had no size and UVM was just forcing all the play wide. Burke added size and created space for the other two on the 2nd line, he did go to the hard areas. Also Burke was getting lost / left behind on the 3rd line and Moses was leaving this linemates in the dust on the 2nd.

My biggest issue was no 4th line ice time. McCarey and Henrion have scored some big goals as of late and have some size. At a minimum they could have gone out there with a hard forecheck and hit Vermonts D.

Henrion wasn't even dressed. How do you trade him and his potential for Pavalski on the last day? And I disagree with you on the second-line switch as a "good try". Cutting back Moses's (25 points) playing time and adding Burke's (8 points) does not seem like a statistically logical choice...especially when your team desperately needs to generate offense. Trying Speelman with Borisenok instead of McCarey didn't seem to pan out either.
Also, the size difference between UVM and UNH wasn't obvious on Friday night.
When you're at the prom, you should be dancin with the one that brung ya.:cool:
 
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Henrion wasn't even dressed. How do you trade him and his potential for Pavalski on the last day? And I disagree with you on the second-line switch as a "good try". Cutting back Moses's (25 points) playing time and adding Burke's (8 points) does not seem like a statistically logical choice...especially when your team desperately needs to generate offense. Trying Speelman with Borisenok instead of McCarey didn't seem to pan out either.
Also, the size difference between UVM and UNH wasn't obvious on Friday night.
When you're at the prom, you should be dancin with the one that brung ya.:cool:

Which ones that brung ya, the ones that played the most uninspired game in the last 10 years that I've seen? The ones that didn't come close to scoring Saturday night?

The truth is, why not try a switch, and that line had the better of the scoring chances last night. There was a stretch in the third period where they won several faceoffs in a row and generated the best offensive chances from within the zone all weekend. I understand what you're saying, but disagree, and as far as Henrion, who cares who's on the 4th line if you're only going to see 2 shifts in the game....
 
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Henrion wasn't even dressed. How do you trade him and his potential for Pavalski on the last day? And I disagree with you on the second-line switch as a "good try". Cutting back Moses's (25 points) playing time and adding Burke's (8 points) does not seem like a statistically logical choice...especially when your team desperately needs to generate offense. Trying Speelman with Borisenok instead of McCarey didn't seem to pan out either.
Also, the size difference between UVM and UNH wasn't obvious on Friday night.
When you're at the prom, you should be dancin with the one that brung ya.:cool:

Considering UNH basically went 1-2-3-1-2-3 there wasn't much difference in ice time for any of the lines.

The difference between Friday and Saturday-Sunday was the style of play UVM was determined to impose. If you had left the lines like Saturday the result Sunday would have likely been the same. UNH need to find some way to change the style of play to one more of UNHs style. I think the idea was to add a physical presence to the 2nd line and put the very fast 3rd line back together.

UVM was determined to make it "1/2 ice" hockey. The second line was lost much of Saturday because of the style by UVM they just had nothing. Burke on the second line at least gave that line some chance to cycle which they did. He is one of the few UNH forwards all weekend that could beat the UVM D along the wall.

You would have thought it smart if one of the three failed attempts by Leblanc to pass the puck to the open Burke in OT would have worked, it would have been a tap in goal. I think they generated more good opportunities Sunday but had the same result of not converting.
 
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We have an all-star team of recruits who don't show up. Who is to blame? i only wish Dick applied the same accountability standards elsewhere as he does to the kids.

Time to send out a batch of new emails to 14 year olds.

Couple pages back I agreed missing the NCAAs would be a good boot in the butt. Walking to the Whitt Sunday I was certain UNH wouldn't win that game, I still went a cheered but I just knew. Today I have the same feeling that they will be in the NCAAs. Things have to break "right" for them not to get in as a 4 seed and with a little "luck" a 3 seed.

Has Umile ever canned an assistant?
 
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Which ones that brung ya, the ones that played the most uninspired game in the last 10 years that I've seen? The ones that didn't come close to scoring Saturday night?

The truth is, why not try a switch, and that line had the better of the scoring chances last night. There was a stretch in the third period where they won several faceoffs in a row and generated the best offensive chances from within the zone all weekend. I understand what you're saying, but disagree, and as far as Henrion, who cares who's on the 4th line if you're only going to see 2 shifts in the game....

These ones:

12 Butler, Bobby 37 27 23 50
17 Thompson, Paul 37 17 19 36
20 Kessel, Blake 36 9 26 35
09 Leblanc, Peter 37 14 20 34
39 DeSimone, Phil 37 9 25 34
19 Sislo, Mike 37 12 15 27
22 Moses, Stevie 37 6 18 24
14 Borisenok, Mike 37 6 9 15
4 Kipp, Damon 37 3 12 15

Uninspired or not, they have to be on the ice as much as possible to have the best chance of winning. PP, PK, 5 on 5, 4 on 4...it doesn't matter.
Simple as that.:cool:
 
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UNH Fan Forum Awards*

Player of the Year
Co-Winners: Bobby Butler and Brian Foster

Most Improved Player
Co-Winners: Mike Borisenok and Phil DeSimone

Defensive Defenseman
Matt Campanale

Offensive Defenseman
Blake Kessel

Defensive Forward
Peter LeBlanc

Rookie Defenseman of the Year
Brett Kostolansky

Rookie Forward of the Year
Greg Burke

*(This probably is premature but it beats feeling crappy about this weekend).
 
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interesting reading this last page...thanks Gents....it does suck having a weekend past like UNH did...I hope you guys follow the women's program, if only to see that they played a great game against UMD, only to lose by a PP goal.....anyway the other games hopefully will play out correctly...if too many lower seeds pull the upset, that will b cuirtains for us, for sure....you have that right JB.....this is what happens when the league gets the parity it wants! Talked with Bertagna on saturday night....talking about the attendance for Friday nghts games around the other leagues.....interesting discussion....we all know it was pitiful at the Whitt.....student break or not a real poor showing by supposed UNH fans....talk about losing out n the NCAA's as a kick in the butt? What should be done to kick this spoiled fan base in the Butt? Is anyone aware of what UNH does given the lack of monetary support it gets from Alumni and the State? If not for the Friends group and a handful of loyal sponsors, we wouldn't be D-1 for very long......I'm just saying.
CHC, how were the DVD's? The golden age of UNH hockey or what :o)
 
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Wrote on other threads before the UNH-UVM quarters that team that skated hardest would win. And UVM skated hardest and won.

In pairwise, UVM is ahead of UNH. If they lose to BC in semis, given this last weekend, still deserve to be in NCAA before Wildcats. BU and UMaine close behind in pairwise and play each other; one should move up and probably ahead of UNH. And if either beats BC in final, will surely pass UNH. Not only is 20 win streak over, NCAA string probably as well. I have a cap that sums up being a Wildcat fan at this time: "Life is Crap."
 
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I got tired of reading all the possible predictions -- I'm of the mindset that if I we make it to Worcester or Albany, I'll go, to watch Bobby Butler play once more time.

I don't have the stats in front of me, I point to a very simple issue with the decline of UNH hockey (don't sugar coat it, that's exactly what it's been a decline).

The departure of Assistant Coach Brian McCloskey to coach the women's team. Just as the death of Sean Walsh has left Maine's program floundering to recruit at the same level they used to, Coach Mac's departure, and the subsequent loss of the western Canadien connection, has greatly affected this team.

Fire Dick Umile? Although frustrating, I'm not quite sold on that idea yet. We need to find somebody to recruit better than the assistant coaches are doing right now, plain and simple. Look at what Coach Mac has done with the women's team; his recruiting is sorely missed from the men.
 
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These ones:

12 Butler, Bobby 37 27 23 50
17 Thompson, Paul 37 17 19 36
20 Kessel, Blake 36 9 26 35
09 Leblanc, Peter 37 14 20 34
39 DeSimone, Phil 37 9 25 34
19 Sislo, Mike 37 12 15 27
22 Moses, Stevie 37 6 18 24
14 Borisenok, Mike 37 6 9 15
4 Kipp, Damon 37 3 12 15

Uninspired or not, they have to be on the ice as much as possible to have the best chance of winning. PP, PK, 5 on 5, 4 on 4...it doesn't matter.
Simple as that.:cool:

Simple on paper, but not in reality. They made a change, and the 2nd line last night was more effective than the night before. They had the best scoring chances on the night (save for that DeSimone chance in OT). Simple as that.

Not only is 20 win streak over, NCAA string probably as well. I have a cap that sums up being a Wildcat fan at this time: "Life is Crap."

You're just wrong. Chances are, UNH is still in the NCAA tournament. There are a lot more games than the Hockey East games that have an impact on what happens with UNH. There are games that have even more impact than the Hockey East games.
 
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Wrote on other threads before the UNH-UVM quarters that team that skated hardest would win. And UVM skated hardest and won.

In pairwise, UVM is ahead of UNH. If they lose to BC in semis, given this last weekend, still deserve to be in NCAA before Wildcats. BU and UMaine close behind in pairwise and play each other; one should move up and probably ahead of UNH. And if either beats BC in final, will surely pass UNH. Not only is 20 win streak over, NCAA string probably as well. I have a cap that sums up being a Wildcat fan at this time: "Life is Crap."

you guys deserve(d) a better fate..........i hope you get to the NCAA's
 
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Henrion wasn't even dressed. How do you trade him and his potential for Pavalski on the last day? And I disagree with you on the second-line switch as a "good try". Cutting back Moses's (25 points) playing time and adding Burke's (8 points) does not seem like a statistically logical choice...especially when your team desperately needs to generate offense. Trying Speelman with Borisenok instead of McCarey didn't seem to pan out either.
Also, the size difference between UVM and UNH wasn't obvious on Friday night.
When you're at the prom, you should be dancin with the one that brung ya.:cool:

You really think Henrion was the missing link? He would have had what 2 or 3 shifts? From what I have seen from him this year he has some improving to do in the off season to reach his potential, he showed it in maybe 1 or 2 games. Also I liked the move to Burke on the 2nd line, he added a physical presence that helped to open up more chances for LaBlanc and Sislo, and really haven't been impressed with the what Mosses has been doing the last couple of weeks. I liked what I saw out of Burke Sunday night. Also thought Speelman played a good game. So you didn't want to make any chances after Saturday nights game?
I don't think it was Henrion who got the team to the dance, I read all year of people saying he should get more time, I for one did not see it. I thought Burke and Speelman both looked better then him this year. Does that mean Henrion can't make the jump, of course not, and I hope he lives up to the potential and hype, but he wasn't going to be the difference Sunday'
 
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when the students are there , how many thousands more do they add, other schools had similiar attendance woes.

Is what you're asking, "how many more students would there have been if it weren't spring break?" Certainly not "thousands", sad to say. I'm guessing a few hundred, maybe more, I don't know.

Prior to the money grab of making the far end GA seats into reserved season tickets, there were 2000 student tickets for each game. These were never completely picked up by the students except for Maine.

As for if the students weren't on spring break...well the make-up of that end seating would have been different at the very least. We tend to get a lot more families for these games, due to the cheaper (relatively speaking) GA tickets. As bad as the students are, they do make more noise than the typical quarterfinals crowd.

The student fanbase is also very different, although I don't know if "spoiled" is the right word in this case, because most of them don't remember the "glory" years.

IMO, they go to hockey because that's the thing to do. It's a social function. This is why you get kids showing up halfway through the 1st period expecting to find a prime seat in the student section; they just had to get one more game of 'Rut in before they left. This is why I see students leave during the 2nd intermission, or worse during the 2nd PERIOD, telling friends they have to go hit up a party. They put in an appearance...what else should we expect of them? :rolleyes:

These kids are also not conditioned to be hockey fans, imo, because they grew up in a football-centric sports world. Most of these kids probably aren't old enough to remember when the Patriots were bad. Belichick's first year is likely the worst season they know. And I see it in the increased student presence at UNH football games compared to when I was a student.
 
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Here, here. Big change in results since he left.

Time to go back to what was working for us. Bring him back and make him the heir apparent.

A key reason to bring back McCloskey.

Heir apparent? McCloskey is not a young guy. And he's given no indication that he would want to return to the men's squad. In fact, he's said he wants the women's head coaching gig to be his last.
 
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Was able to catch only Sunday's game and I have to give UVM and thier entire squad a ton of credit. Got laughed at after nearly 40 solid minutes on Friday night and turned around and blanked UNH for almost 7 straight periods of play. UVM played great. That is why they are proceeding. You can complain all you want and even compare quality recruits, but guess what. UNH still only gave up 2 goals in 7 periods themselves, 8 if you count the 3rd on Friday. UNH played decently as well, Sunday.

For the person who asked about the gwg, it was a nice one. Puck squirted to the slot, kid was there and wasted no time thinking about it. He put it high blocker side.. realy nice goal it was.

UNH had plenty of even man rushes, but were almost always knocked to the corners.. and for the most part UNH did a pretty good job of handling UVM forwards (2 goals in 8 periods). in fact UNH manned up pretty well late, out right stripping UVM on a # of occassions in the offensive zone. I for one though UVM was basically out of gas, having only flares of offense in the second part of the 3rd and OT. But they continued to bunch the middle- put their boddies on the ice in front of Madore and gave it one hell of a battle until there was a winner. UNH did the same. They just didn't get the goal.
FOSTER WAS GREAT!! Absolutely great. I recall, a swift move to the net from Foster's left, along the goal line, kid competely deeked the D-man, got to the net to a crowd and out of NOWHERE, Foster's right pad leg, stonewalls what would have been a gwg. He was great.

My thoughts.. UNH will get in the dance and maybe even end up in Albany, but most likely get shipped out West. I've tinkered with the PWR and can't getthem past 9th..but usually finding the 10th or 11th. While they've had their early game issues at times- there is no quit in these kids, some teams just play better from behind, maybe this is that team. Maybe they should spot their next opponent 1 or 2 goals, to get them movin!

And while the 'talent' might not be up to where it was in the late 90's. it's much more spread out now.. it's not like Michigan, Minny, UND, BC, BU, No.DAK etc,.. are head an shoulders above everyone else. in fact, BU, Minny, Michigan and UND will be LUCKY, not fortunate, to be in the dance this yr. Recruting is getting tougher, talent is being groomed and 'systemitized' quicker.. the Haydar's and Nolan's, and Bogi's wouldn't look the same today.
-Consider this, for all the griping that I've read, as well as the praise, this Sr. Class missed out playing with the following K. Yandle(4yrs?), D Kolomitis(3yrs) yrs, R. Bourque,(1yr) JVR(1yr even if it was expected), T. Smith (2yrs). M. White and C. Reid(1yr).. oh, D.Dries(1yr).. tough cards.. and I didn't hear or read any ******ing from them! They laced'em up and gave it their all.. and if given the opportunity to play 1 -4 more games this yr.. I'm sure they'll do the same. I also recall, a skinny, slow- under impressive coaches kid from Malboro(much like. B. Kessel) getting a lot of flack about his 'talent' level when he first came to town.. kid is a Hobey Baker Finalist, and a good one at that. and w/ LeBlanc lead his team, as a Sr. to a RS Championship... Would anyone have guessed that of him coming in??
 
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