UNH Wildcats - '10 Playoff Edition

[JB]

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Ok best I can get UNH is 10th.

It is surprisingly durable, I figured it would only be a single combo and there are a few that work.

Ferris gets 2 L
NMU gets 1 L
St Lawerance get atleast 1 L
Cornell get no better then 1 T (long shot)
Vermont gets 1 L (they can beat BC)
RIT gets 1 L (they can drop either game)
UMD wins no more than 1 game.

This is strange and may show that the ECAC upsets might help UNH. If Cornell get 1 W they pass UNH. If Cornell goes 0-2 or 0-1-1 then UNH passes Cornell.

RIT dropping one game helps UNH. If that happens RIT does not stay a TUC. It is best if RIT drops the first game because they can still pop in rare instances if they win the first. If RIT is no longer a TUC UNH wins the comparison with Mich St.

If St Law. win 2 they can become a TUC and that doesn't help UNH.

If UMD wins 2 they pass UNH.

I still see more ways UNH is in than out. I think better than 50-50 odds they are in.

 

[kdaddy]

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Ok best I can get UNH is 10th.

It is surprisingly durable, I figured it would only be a single combo and there are a few that work.

Ferris gets 2 L
NMU gets 1 L
St Lawerance get atleast 1 L
Cornell get no better then 1 T (long shot)
Vermont gets 1 L (they can beat BC)
RIT gets 1 L (they can drop either game)
UMD wins no more than 1 game.

This is strange and may show that the ECAC upsets might help UNH. If Cornell get 1 W they pass UNH. If Cornell goes 0-2 or 0-1-1 then UNH passes Cornell.

RIT dropping one game helps UNH. If that happens RIT does not stay a TUC. It is best if RIT drops the first game because they can still pop in rare instances if they win the first. If RIT is no longer a TUC UNH wins the comparison with Mich St.

If St Law. win 2 they can become a TUC and that doesn't help UNH.

If UMD wins 2 they pass UNH.

I still see more ways UNH is in than out. I think better than 50-50 odds they are in.

If St Law. win 2 they win the ECAC that is much worse for all of us.

BTW as a UVM fan I hope you guys make it. Everyone here has been cool to the UVM fans.

 

[JB]

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I have uvm getting to finals against BU , with Bu winning , gets unh to 9th ...
i flip flopped had vermont beating bu and we were 11th . had cornell winning ecac. playing with it more , but unless there is an upset in every league championchip cant see how unh doesnt get in .

You need to detail it all out. I have yet to get better than 10th.

It would be interesting to know what you did.

 

[unh1982]

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You need to detail it all out. I have yet to get better than 10th.

It would be interesting to know what you did.

I had Rit losing ..

 

[freak]

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UNH might want to figure this out in the event they back into the NCAAs. Just sayin...

 

[JB]

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I had Rit losing ..

I put in the high seed always winning,

except -

BU vs. UVM with BU winning.

RIT loosing to Sacred Heart.

UNH tied for 11.

You did something more than you have specified.

 

[WILD E WOLVERINE]

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I put in the high seed always winning,

except -

BU vs. UVM with BU winning.

RIT loosing to Sacred Heart.

UNH tied for 11.

You did something more than you have specified.

This gives UNH a tie for 9th:

Ferris st v Miami with Miami winning and Michigan winning consolation
Union v Brown with Union winning and St Lawrence winning consolation (good luck)
BC v Maine with BC winning
Wisc. V ND with Wisc winning and SCSU winning consolation
RIT v Sacred Heart with Sacred Heart winning

 

[unh1982]

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I put in the high seed always winning,

except -

BU vs. UVM with BU winning.

RIT loosing to Sacred Heart.

UNH tied for 11.

You did something more than you have specified.

ok had , bu beating UVM ,sacred heart beating cansious, cornell winning , and ferris vs miami , miami winning .... got me tied for 9th . even had cornell losing to brown still got to 9th

 

[JB]

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This gives UNH a tie for 9th:

Ferris st v Miami with Miami winning and Michigan winning consolation
Union v Brown with Union winning and St Lawrence winning consolation (good luck)
BC v Maine with BC winning
Wisc. V ND with Wisc winning and SCSU winning consolation
RIT v Sacred Heart with Sacred Heart winning

OK, I call that 10th as UNH drops the tie break with Yale.

It is very similar to what I had below (called 10th) and it fits most of the reasoning.

I had not played that much with the NMU - Ferris games to see how far outside stuff influences that effect on UNH. Nice to know that the order the Ferris and NMU getting 2 vs 1 loss doesn't mater that much.

 

[unh1982]

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OK, I call that 10th as UNH drops the tie break with Yale.

It is very similar to what I had below (called 10th) and it fits most of the reasoning.

I had not played that much with the NMU - Ferris games to see how far outside stuff influences that effect on UNH. Nice to know that the order the Ferris and NMU getting 2 vs 1 loss doesn't mater that much.

Its hard for them not to get in , but im sure Priceless has one scenario

 

[unh_insider]

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UNH might want to figure this out in the event they back into the NCAAs. Just sayin...

Agreed.
Beating the trap takes a little planning, but is not impossible.
You'd think Umile and the crew could figure it out.
Also, can someone explain why the line changes in potentially the last game of the year. On Friday night, Leblanc's line produced 7 or so points, and lately has been almost as productive as the TBD.

 

[unh1982]

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Agreed.
Beating the trap takes a little planning, but is not impossible.
You'd think Umile and the crew could figure it out.
Also, can someone explain why the line changes in potentially the last game of the year. On Friday night, Leblanc's line produced 7 or so points, and lately has been almost as productive as the TBD.

Im not certain as to why he skated three lines last night , after playing in three consec. games . unless the fourth line is that bad , in which case i havent noticed.

 

[NCAA watcher]

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Do you guys really want to squeak in with no chance of winning, allowing Scarano and Umile to crow about the NCAA streak, and <s>the 11 consecutive 20 wins seasons</s>, and dismissing the "unfair" complaints about the program and continue without making any changes?

Elimination only hurts when you feel like its preventing you from attaining a goal (HE championship or NCAA final four). If you had no shot at the goal anyway, does it really matter if you fail on the first step (the annual pre-St. Patrick's debacle) or the next one. I suppose in the last 7 years we do have that one memory of the improbable tie against North Dakota that have us false hope that we have a chance in the tourney.

we are not getting the caliber of player that we got in the past. Hardly ever do you see someone jump out of their seat because of some play by a UNHer. That was routine in the old days (6-7 years ago and before). I'll leave it to the recruiting gurus to reassure me that some talent is coming our way. Let's hope so, because the cupboard is pretty bare right now.

Last year I proudly announced help was on the way. Days later Bourque renounced, White got dinged by admissions, and weeks later, Cam Reid couldn't get accepted (and this January, got dinged).


That leaves:

Nick Sorkin (63rd in the USHL scoring), Jay Camper (142nd) and Jeff Silengo (166th). And Grayson Downing is young and a pretty good player, but finished just outside the BCHL top 100 in scoring. On Defense, there's Justin Agosta (cut mid-year by the USHL) or Eric Knodel (minus 25).

And further down the pipeline we have Kyle Smith (73rd in EJHL scoring) Jamie Hill (72nd in USHL scoring) Eric Chevrier (hey, another Cushing "grad" who might become eligible some day) and Jeff Wyer, who will push Tyler Scott for the third goalie spot.

Two decent forwards of the Leblanc ilk (Sorkin/Downing) and two potential guys in Goumas and Hill. The only guy to get excited about is Laleggia, though Downing will be good.

We have an all-star team of recruits who don't show up. Who is to blame? i only wish Dick applied the same accountability standards elsewhere as he does to the kids.

Time to send out a batch of new emails to 14 year olds.

 

[goblue]

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UNH draws 2500 people to a deciding playoff game??...that is pathetic. Is it the economy, fan apathy, Sunday night or a combination? It was embarrassing how quiet the Whitt was during the first two games of this series. Was it any better last night? I had to work and missed the game.

I guess I shouldn't have been surprised though as there's very little passion for the team from the fans for the most part. Seeing the exodus to the exits with two minutes to go in a tie game with BC last week says it all....

I was there Sat. and Sun., and thought last night, though with fewer fans, was louder, although not in a sustained kind of way. It was pretty raucous late, and especially in the OT, when UNH had plenty of chances to get to Boston.

Vis-a-vis the fans heading for the exits, I've said this before -- not all are leaving the arena, they just watch from the concourse. My in-laws have had season tickets for over 20 years, and they are at the age (86 and 82) that they don't move very fast, and don't like/feel comfortable walking amid the crowds rushing out of the Whitt after a game. They need a head start, and have an hour's drive back home. However, they'll watch the last few minutes from the concourse. I see many other folks there who are also elderly and do the same. And I wouldn't fault anybody with young children who leave early for obvious reasons.

If people have a problem with older folks leaving their seats early, then try to remember that they have supported the program with their checkbooks, and continue to do so, in fat or lean years. Also, I find it mildly ironic (though I'll not be critical) that you thought last night's attendance was "pathetic", when you yourself couldn't be there, albeit because of work. I suspect that many empty seats were the result of people having to go to work on Monday morning, and traveling to 3 games in 3 nights is a lot for many people.)

 

[unh1982]

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I was there Sat. and Sun., and thought last night, though with fewer fans, was louder, although not in a sustained kind of way. It was pretty raucous late, and especially in the OT, when UNH had plenty of chances to get to Boston.

Vis-a-vis the fans heading for the exits, I've said this before -- not all are leaving the arena, they just watch from the concourse. My in-laws have had season tickets for over 20 years, and they are at the age (86 and 82) that they don't move very fast, and don't like/feel comfortable walking amid the crowds rushing out of the Whitt after a game. They need a head start, and have an hour's drive back home. However, they'll watch the last few minutes from the concourse. I see many other folks there who are also elderly and do the same. And I wouldn't fault anybody with young children who leave early for obvious reasons.

If people have a problem with older folks leaving their seats early, then try to remember that they have supported the program with their checkbooks, and continue to do so, in fat or lean years. Also, I find it mildly ironic (though I'll not be critical) that you thought last night's attendance was "pathetic", when you yourself couldn't be there, albeit because of work. I suspect that many empty seats were the result of people having to go to work on Monday morning, and traveling to 3 games in 3 nights is a lot for many people.)

when the students are there , how many thousands more do they add, other schools had similiar attendance woes.

 

[goblue]

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when the students are there , how many thousands more do they add, other schools had similiar attendance woes.

Is what you're asking, "how many more students would there have been if it weren't spring break?" Certainly not "thousands", sad to say. I'm guessing a few hundred, maybe more, I don't know.

 

[unh1982]

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Is what you're asking, "how many more students would there have been if it weren't spring break?" Certainly not "thousands", sad to say. I'm guessing a few hundred, maybe more, I don't know.

oooops that wasnt the answer i was looking for , they usualy fill the back bowl , sometimes on both ends , thats a few thousand no . i would have gone but was going to watch in boston , as i live in RI. my Guess the economy had something to do with it , will not mention this years record

 

[JB]

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Its hard for them not to get in , but im sure Priceless has one scenario

There are a bunch of ways they can be out. However the more I play with the predictor the more I think they are most likely in. Before I started playing with the predictor I figured they were out except a few cases. Now I think they may be in except a few cases.

OUT Scenarios

1. All higher seeds win except BU beats Vermont - UNH 14 and OUT
2. All higher seeds win except Manie beats Vermont - UNH 14 (13 tied) and OUT
3. All higher seeds win except BU beats Vermont - UNH 14 and OUT
4. All higher seeds win except UMD beats UND and SCSU - UNH 15 and OUT
5. All higher seeds win except UMD beats UND and Denver and drops the game with WISC, Denver beats SCSU - UNH 15 and OUT
6. All higher seeds win except UMD beats UND and Denver and WISC, Denver beats SCSU - UNH 15 and OUT

Most of these UNH is back in if RIT has a single loss. Seems like UNH fans should be big fans of who ever is playing RIT. Unfortunately looking at how RIT is playing I don't think they are going to drop a game. Funny thing is looking at RIT schedule it is amazing it impacts UNH as much as it does. RIT didn't win a non-conference game. However it is clear if RIT is not a TUC it is very good for UNH. Therefore it is not RIT that impacts UNH it is whoever comes in as a TUC (not always the same team) that impacts somebody else.

 

[JB]

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Agreed.
Beating the trap takes a little planning, but is not impossible.
You'd think Umile and the crew could figure it out.
Also, can someone explain why the line changes in potentially the last game of the year. On Friday night, Leblanc's line produced 7 or so points, and lately has been almost as productive as the TBD.

It is not beating the trap that was the problem. They were OK with that. The problem was UVM very rarely let up odd man rushes and when they did kept the play to the outside and denied the pass. UVM took away the center of the offensive zone and UNH rarely went there. Easy for a quality goal to make lots of saves from low percentage areas. UNHs only real offense was on the break out / transition. UNH is clueless how the generate a goal against a good D cycling the puck.

UVM made UNH play UVMs game.

As for the line switch I thought it was a good try. The second line was getting nothng going Saturday because they had no size and UVM was just forcing all the play wide. Burke added size and created space for the other two on the 2nd line, he did go to the hard areas. Also Burke was getting lost / left behind on the 3rd line and Moses was leaving this linemates in the dust on the 2nd.

My biggest issue was no 4th line ice time. McCarey and Henrion have scored some big goals as of late and have some size. At a minimum they could have gone out there with a hard forecheck and hit Vermonts D.

 

[WILD E WOLVERINE]

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when the students are there , how many thousands more do they add, other schools had similiar attendance woes.

Yep - Munn arena was half empty and it was MSU v Michigan. I remember back in the days if Snively that the playoff rounds would not be sold out and the noise level was almost never the same as a regular season game.