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UNH Wildcats - '10 Playoff Edition

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That is all nice. Show me the results on the ice AT UNH.

Part of the problem may be who is being recruited. If the player can't get in I don't care where he is before his graduating class walks. I don't care if he works 22 hours a day if it isn't getting results than something needs to change. Work smarter not harder.

If you look at the talent actually on the ice at UNH today vs. 8 years ago it is clear there has been a BIG drop off. None of the fans knows the exact cause but it seem obvious that it occured right after McCloskey left for the womens team.

UNH doesn't need a college all star team of players that committed and never suited up. They need players on the ice.

Are you saying that UNH should not go after these extremely talented players and go for the next tier. Successfully getting any kid to say "yes" to UNH over BU, BC, MICH. Wisc., UND even Northeastern (the HUB- Beanpot) isn't that all a recruiter can do, if the kid decides to go pro or can't get in, is that recruiting?
If a kid gets accepted to BU, theoretically isn't he eligible for UNH acceptance? I suspect BU may have a criteria for Joe Average, and a slightly different (less) for Joe Hockey. President Huddleston could lean on admissions a little in certain cases so that the right ingredients could help make the only athletic Entree at UNH (Parcellisms)!! Joe Average may become the next Jack Welch but probably not while at UNH. Joe Hockey helps produce badly needed revenues, to an athletic department that has no where else to turn, while at UNH. I don't condone making UNH a hockey slum academically just lower it slightly for a few that will continue to make UNH a HE contender, and dare I say it NC!!
And 8 years ago you wouldn't have been worried about Lowell, UMass, Merrimack, but all the other boats have risen with the tide. BU and BC get the elite talent year in and year out, yet look at results y-t-y, would you be happy being a BU fan this year after going wire to wire last year. Or BC last year after their 07-08 year? Look at the PWR for HE wins-losses, even this year(down year with possibility of 1 team going to NCAA), they rank big!!
To use another Parcellism, UNH "is what it is" a second tier school fabulously achieving beyond what it should be. Year after year, in the hunt, a top 4 in HE, arguably the toughest conference in D1 hockey with a woefully low budget and fighting itself (Admissions) to even remain where it is, never mind get to the top of the hill.
 
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Of course it is. But no one's hockey team is putting their school on the map nationally. D1 Football and basketball could (obviously BC people can attest to the nationally known "Flutie Effect") but definitely not college hockey. It's just the nature of the beast being such a niche sport.

I disagree... My wife and I are HUGE football fans and have traveled to such beautiful destinations as Huntington WV, Cedar Falls IA, Muncie IN, Evanston IL, Carbondale IL (to name but a few) to watch UNH play and without fail, when we have talked to local fans, they almost always say something along the lines of: "New Hampshire huh... you guys are good at hockey right?"... so while I agree college hockey name recognition is nowhere near football or basketball... it still does exist...
 
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I disagree... My wife and I are HUGE football fans and have traveled to such beautiful destinations as Huntington WV, Cedar Falls IA, Muncie IN, Evanston IL, Carbondale IL (to name but a few) to watch UNH play and without fail, when we have talked to local fans, they almost always say something along the lines of: "New Hampshire huh... you guys are good at hockey right?"... so while I agree college hockey name recognition is nowhere near football or basketball... it still does exist...

That thumping of Northwestern was great!
 
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To use another Parcellism, UNH "is what it is" a second tier school fabulously achieving beyond what it should be. Year after year, in the hunt, a top 4 in HE, arguably the toughest conference in D1 hockey with a woefully low budget and fighting itself (Admissions) to even remain where it is, never mind get to the top of the hill.

And yet, from 1996-2003 UNH was a first tier school in the NCAA top 6, occasionally picking off a top kid from BC or BU, and with a regular shot at the final four.

What's changed?
 
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And yet, from 1996-2003 UNH was a first tier school in the NCAA top 6, occasionally picking off a top kid from BC or BU, and with a regular shot at the final four.

What's changed?

Personally, I think UNH did a great job for the most part of keeping their kids during that run. They didn't lose a Haydar or Hemingway to the pros or MJ. Since then, UNH lost kids like Trevor Smith and a bunch of recruits who never made it. If Smith stays and kids like Yandle or Bourque show up, UNH is probably right there. That's my .02 from the outside.
 
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Are you saying that UNH should not go after these extremely talented players and go for the next tier. Successfully getting any kid to say "yes" to UNH over BU, BC, MICH. Wisc., UND even Northeastern (the HUB- Beanpot) isn't that all a recruiter can do, if the kid decides to go pro or can't get in, is that recruiting?
If a kid gets accepted to BU, theoretically isn't he eligible for UNH acceptance? I suspect BU may have a criteria for Joe Average, and a slightly different (less) for Joe Hockey. President Huddleston could lean on admissions a little in certain cases so that the right ingredients could help make the only athletic Entree at UNH (Parcellisms)!! Joe Average may become the next Jack Welch but probably not while at UNH. Joe Hockey helps produce badly needed revenues, to an athletic department that has no where else to turn, while at UNH. I don't condone making UNH a hockey slum academically just lower it slightly for a few that will continue to make UNH a HE contender, and dare I say it NC!!
And 8 years ago you wouldn't have been worried about Lowell, UMass, Merrimack, but all the other boats have risen with the tide. BU and BC get the elite talent year in and year out, yet look at results y-t-y, would you be happy being a BU fan this year after going wire to wire last year. Or BC last year after their 07-08 year? Look at the PWR for HE wins-losses, even this year(down year with possibility of 1 team going to NCAA), they rank big!!
To use another Parcellism, UNH "is what it is" a second tier school fabulously achieving beyond what it should be. Year after year, in the hunt, a top 4 in HE, arguably the toughest conference in D1 hockey with a woefully low budget and fighting itself (Admissions) to even remain where it is, never mind get to the top of the hill.

I think the recruitment of a player does involve understanding if the kid can get in. Some schools have different admissions requirements and the recruiter must look for players that meet those requirements, like them or not. If the kid won't pass admissions don't waste your time. Recruitment isn't just getting the kid to say yes it is getting them on campus. If they can't stay eligible after they are in that is a different department.

At times a good recruiter has to know when the player is a lost cause (going elsewhere etc) and move on before all other options are gone (I don't blame anyone at UNH for Bourque it is a different situation). Right now UNH is hanging on to the Dumb and Dumber attitude ("so there is a chance") with some of these kids. By the time the kid commits to another school there are few if any other options. Then to compound the problem they go "safe" instead of aggressive. Denver is an example of a team that goes aggressive late in the game and has done very well at it.

End of the day the talent level coming in today is not that which was coming when McCloskey was still on the men's side. That is also why this is now a program in decline, H.E. Regular season - NCAAs or not this year.

As for this year I think it was on heck of a coaching job and the Captains and other leaders on this team should be commended. They have exceeded expectations.
 
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For the coaching staff that can't coach, recruiters that can't recruit grabbing Co-Coach of the Yr, honors and placing 3 players on the 1st TEAM in HE!! It's a darn good thing some of us aren't fans of some 'other' HE schools.. Would grabbing all 6 spots, as well as the coaching spot have done it for ya?

C'mon everyone!! Lets lighten up a little bit! Fact is- in spite of some obvious bad luck w/ TOP enders not getting into school- Bourque was just a *ick move and I'm not sure Kolomitis decision can be properly explained.. UNH's has faired pretty well without these guys. Would UNH have done better with them.. most certainly, YES! But they've still won 2 out of the last 3, maybe even 3 of the last 4 HE RS Titles.. those no-shows would have helped significantly in playoff action, one would assume.

Selling UNH's consistency and history IS a selling point and a HUGE one at that. What the heck selling point does 'on the rise' have? IF we don't continue to get a recruit like you, as well as a few others we're ****'d? VS. We're a consistantly dominant D1 school that competes every yr in the National Tournement- we just need that little extra..
 
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Personally, I think UNH did a great job for the most part of keeping their kids during that run. They didn't lose a Haydar or Hemingway to the pros or MJ. Since then, UNH lost kids like Trevor Smith and a bunch of recruits who never made it. If Smith stays and kids like Yandle or Bourque show up, UNH is probably right there. That's my .02 from the outside.
That's a fair point overall, but they did lose a few juniors in the 90s. They lost Nickulas and Bekar, IIRC, in back-to-back seasons and still made the FF both years because they had enough high-end talent to compensate.
 
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So I imagine you guys are rooting for the following teams today:

Miami
Ferris State
Wisconsin
Cornell
BC
 
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And yet, from 1996-2003 UNH was a first tier school in the NCAA top 6, occasionally picking off a top kid from BC or BU, and with a regular shot at the final four.

What's changed?
They were a second tier team then too (in terms of budget and probably always will be). They did have a new rink that seemed a gem in 95 but now needs a ton of work. It isn't Schneider or Lawlor but it isn't Agganis either. Are you inferring that Borek is why they don't pick off BC/BU guys, now or is UMASS,Lowell, Merrimack, Vermont now sniping guys too? How many guys did they have from USPDT before JVR (=1) and since? McCLoskey did a great job recruiting as did Serrino but HE is not a 4 team league anymore and that is what changed. Come to think of it they did win HE this year and by most PWR bracketology will be in the tourney, so how far have they fallen? Last year they were a penalty kill away from possibly upsetting the eventual National Champions, so...
 
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So I imagine you guys are rooting for the following teams today:

Miami
Ferris State
Wisconsin
Cornell
BC

I don't think this matters anymore with UMD losing to UND. Pretty sure UNH is in, barring upsets for the autobid.
 
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Not sure who to root for , in all scenarios cant find unh not making it in .

Only eight games left - 256 possible outcomes. I tried one that more or less looked like all of the underdogs win and that left us out. Most more reasonable scenarios seem to have UNH in. I believe if all of the higher seeds win, Vermont is in as well.
 
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Only eight games left - 256 possible outcomes. I tried one that more or less looked like all of the underdogs win and that left us out. Most more reasonable scenarios seem to have UNH in. I believe if all of the higher seeds win, Vermont is in as well.

yes , if Mich wins , there hot , and ferris wins against miami ,( miami has nothing to play for . and RIT wins , unh fall to 14 and will not make it
 
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UNH is big fans of: Miami, Northern Michigan, Cornell, BC and Sacred Heart tomorrow.... not sure if either of the WCHA games or ECAC consolation game has much to do with the outcome (?)
 
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ok Cat fans this is the only scenario that knocks us out , this all has to happen . mich. defeats N mich....
Ferris defeats Miami consolation game
north Dak. defeats St cloud
Rit defeats sacred
this knocks us to 14th and out by one spot given up too Mich.
 
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ok Cat fans this is the only scenario that knocks us out , this all has to happen . mich. defeats N mich....
Ferris defeats Miami consolation game
north Dak. defeats St cloud
Rit defeats sacred
this knocks us to 14th and out by one spot given up too Mich.

not true, if that all happens except St. Cloud beats NoDak, we're still out

I don't think the WCHA games matter much (if at all)
 
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