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UNH Wildcats - '10 Playoff Edition
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Because being a recruiting assistant is a thankless job, spent on the roads driving through blizzards to Flin Flon Manitoba and Humboldt Saskatchewan, all for the thrill of a $60,000 or so salary.
You pay your dues to get somewhere farther. It's a young man's job for the most part, which is why you can't look backwards and hope McCloskey or Bob Norton returns, but look for the next 30 something who can relate to kids, has passion, and can sell a program as having energy and drive, not a group of three middle-aged or older men who have been together for 8 years while the product slips, having absolutely no creativity or vision.
What do you think the three provide Borek as a sales pitch -- "Program on the way up?" No. "We're a new generation with new blood, new emphasis, and you can get in on the ground floor?" No.
The only sales pitch is a "we're a top 10 program that is close to a NCAA championship, and you can lead us there." That's a dated sales pitch that is becoming more laughable every day.
Because being a recruiting assistant is a thankless job, spent on the roads driving through blizzards to Flin Flon Manitoba and Humboldt Saskatchewan, all for the thrill of a $60,000 or so salary.
You pay your dues to get somewhere farther. It's a young man's job for the most part, which is why you can't look backwards and hope McCloskey or Bob Norton returns, but look for the next 30 something who can relate to kids, has passion, and can sell a program as having energy and drive, not a group of three middle-aged or older men who have been together for 8 years while the product slips, having absolutely no creativity or vision.
What do you think the three provide Borek as a sales pitch -- "Program on the way up?" No. "We're a new generation with new blood, new emphasis, and you can get in on the ground floor?" No.
The only sales pitch is a "we're a top 10 program that is close to a NCAA championship, and you can lead us there." That's a dated sales pitch that is becoming more laughable every day.
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Like Steve Saviano (who is a popular coach at Umile's summer camp).
Like Steve Saviano (who is a popular coach at Umile's summer camp).
unhpuckfan2001
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I'd still like to see us try to lure Patrick Foley away from Harvard.
I'd still like to see us try to lure Patrick Foley away from Harvard.
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Watcher - not that he is ever going to become a college recruiter, but when do you think that Sean Tremblay of the Jr. Monarchs might make the move to the next level? He has a very succesful program with the Monarchs and I have to believe at some point he may want to move up.
Watcher - not that he is ever going to become a college recruiter, but when do you think that Sean Tremblay of the Jr. Monarchs might make the move to the next level? He has a very succesful program with the Monarchs and I have to believe at some point he may want to move up.
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It was all the Turtlenecks fault, ask BillB he will let us all know that over and over.
It was all the Turtlenecks fault, ask BillB he will let us all know that over and over.
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Well we all know that Bill is pretty much an embarrassment to begin with.
Well we all know that Bill is pretty much an embarrassment to begin with.
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Well, there's two aspects to recruiting. The first is identifying/projecting players, the second is selling.
From the fact that UNH is losing recruits to other schools, it seems the failing is the selling job. This isn't an issue of UNH getting their first choices, but getting busts. They're stuck recruiting the C talent because they're runners up on the A and B group.
So, the next assistant's prime skill must be selling, not identifying. I'm not sure where Tremblay falls on that spectrum, but sense he is better at identifying talent. So, he may be a good assistant, but I don't know if his skill set fits here.
Well, there's two aspects to recruiting. The first is identifying/projecting players, the second is selling.
From the fact that UNH is losing recruits to other schools, it seems the failing is the selling job. This isn't an issue of UNH getting their first choices, but getting busts. They're stuck recruiting the C talent because they're runners up on the A and B group.
So, the next assistant's prime skill must be selling, not identifying. I'm not sure where Tremblay falls on that spectrum, but sense he is better at identifying talent. So, he may be a good assistant, but I don't know if his skill set fits here.
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The big problem is UNH doesn't have an open position currently and I have a bad feeling things will need to get much worse before one opens up.
The big problem is UNH doesn't have an open position currently and I have a bad feeling things will need to get much worse before one opens up.
Greg Ambrose
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Greg Ambrose
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Send them over. I'll have plenty of time this weekend, before the Selection Show on Sunday. Anyone know what time it is?
Send them over. I'll have plenty of time this weekend, before the Selection Show on Sunday. Anyone know what time it is?
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You're looking at on ice results. Umile is loyal, but Marty would have a big say on it. The only pressure is from loss of season ticket renewals, loss of NCAA tourney and HE revenues. UNH's drop in ticket sales may be the pressure needed to make stubborn Umile make a change.
You're looking at on ice results. Umile is loyal, but Marty would have a big say on it. The only pressure is from loss of season ticket renewals, loss of NCAA tourney and HE revenues. UNH's drop in ticket sales may be the pressure needed to make stubborn Umile make a change.
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Just as an FYI - not advocating Sean Tremblay for any position with UNH. Was just curious to see if there was an opinion that he might step up to another level - maybe USHL or smaller college. He does a great job with the Jr. Monarchs and is very succesful sending kids to college.
Just as an FYI - not advocating Sean Tremblay for any position with UNH. Was just curious to see if there was an opinion that he might step up to another level - maybe USHL or smaller college. He does a great job with the Jr. Monarchs and is very succesful sending kids to college.
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the only aspect that UNH has to worry about Watcher is getting a new Admissions Officer....as I stated before, UNH gets the level A players to look at it but then they can't get them in.....
Also my earlier post about Burke and Foley , in NO WAY is a statement on Umile.....on the contary, I have always said that I personally do not care if we fly a banner in Durham...sure it would be great for Umile, Marty, and the program but I'd much rather have an exciting chase, year in and out, always going to the games knowing we are in the hunt with a chance to make the NCAA's, then be out of the chase, in 6th place and not caring about a win or loss......how many school's do what UNH does? Maybe 10 or 12 programs in the country? Not bad for a small state school......
the only aspect that UNH has to worry about Watcher is getting a new Admissions Officer....as I stated before, UNH gets the level A players to look at it but then they can't get them in.....
Also my earlier post about Burke and Foley , in NO WAY is a statement on Umile.....on the contary, I have always said that I personally do not care if we fly a banner in Durham...sure it would be great for Umile, Marty, and the program but I'd much rather have an exciting chase, year in and out, always going to the games knowing we are in the hunt with a chance to make the NCAA's, then be out of the chase, in 6th place and not caring about a win or loss......how many school's do what UNH does? Maybe 10 or 12 programs in the country? Not bad for a small state school......
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But, this link and salary is for 2007. I believe that Umile's salary more than doubled in 2008 ($370k?) because of a lot of deferred compensation from way back when UMass tried to hire him away. I remember reading in the 28 February 2010 MUL that his salary had dropped back into the low $200k range for 2009, much less than President Huddleston's $370k, but much more than Gov John Lynch's $117k, I think. I seem to recall that Lynch's body guard makes lots more than Lynch does.
But, this link and salary is for 2007. I believe that Umile's salary more than doubled in 2008 ($370k?) because of a lot of deferred compensation from way back when UMass tried to hire him away. I remember reading in the 28 February 2010 MUL that his salary had dropped back into the low $200k range for 2009, much less than President Huddleston's $370k, but much more than Gov John Lynch's $117k, I think. I seem to recall that Lynch's body guard makes lots more than Lynch does.
billb
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Re: UNH Wildcats - '10 Playoff Edition
Perquisites, thanks for asking. I am glad I could help.
Perquisites, thanks for asking. I am glad I could help.
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Hadn't looked at it from that angle.
I think it is time to change recruiting because it isn't working as well as in the past. Having heard Borek talk he seems like a nice guy and I would rather he be hired away but since McCloskey left the PP% has dropped each year and the recruits aren't as good. Both of those point to him as the change needed. Younger blood would be good too.
Hadn't looked at it from that angle.
I think it is time to change recruiting because it isn't working as well as in the past. Having heard Borek talk he seems like a nice guy and I would rather he be hired away but since McCloskey left the PP% has dropped each year and the recruits aren't as good. Both of those point to him as the change needed. Younger blood would be good too.
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