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UNH Wildcats - '10 Playoff Edition
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sorry Superfan Joe, I would have to see that in stats....I agree with e.cat and puckfan that I personally know of specific guys that wanted to come to UNH , went on to BU, BC, et al because they were accepted.....I know a player that just helped to knock UNH out of the playoffs, wanted to come here and ended up dismissing us.....it's a huge factor and given the 6 to 7 year backlash of recruiting that Greg Ambrose mentions (97-03) fits the timeline....I won't go into Borek vs. McCloskey here but it's the coaches that it affects the most.....think we're frustrated here? nah.........
sorry Superfan Joe, I would have to see that in stats....I agree with e.cat and puckfan that I personally know of specific guys that wanted to come to UNH , went on to BU, BC, et al because they were accepted.....I know a player that just helped to knock UNH out of the playoffs, wanted to come here and ended up dismissing us.....it's a huge factor and given the 6 to 7 year backlash of recruiting that Greg Ambrose mentions (97-03) fits the timeline....I won't go into Borek vs. McCloskey here but it's the coaches that it affects the most.....think we're frustrated here? nah.........
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The "selectivity" issue we are discussing is, I think, specific to hockey players. Sure, broad spectrum, that list may be more selective than UNH - I would imagine that "fact" came out of some college guide or website. But specific programs at UNH can be quite selective (nursing and some engineering majors come to mind) while others are not.
The question it seems we are guessing at here is, is the current UNH admissions brain trust holding hockey players to the same standard as "regular" applicants. Certainly we can speculate that Bourque wasn't held to the normal standard at BU.
The "selectivity" issue we are discussing is, I think, specific to hockey players. Sure, broad spectrum, that list may be more selective than UNH - I would imagine that "fact" came out of some college guide or website. But specific programs at UNH can be quite selective (nursing and some engineering majors come to mind) while others are not.
The question it seems we are guessing at here is, is the current UNH admissions brain trust holding hockey players to the same standard as "regular" applicants. Certainly we can speculate that Bourque wasn't held to the normal standard at BU.
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There is also the question of in state vs out of state. Surprising to me is the number of out of staters that want to go to UNH. UNH is far more selective with out of state applicants than in state. I think that is a function of being a state school, even if the state barely supports the instituion...
The "selectivity" issue we are discussing is, I think, specific to hockey players. Sure, broad spectrum, that list may be more selective than UNH - I would imagine that "fact" came out of some college guide or website. But specific programs at UNH can be quite selective (nursing and some engineering majors come to mind) while others are not.
The question it seems we are guessing at here is, is the current UNH admissions brain trust holding hockey players to the same standard as "regular" applicants. Certainly we can speculate that Bourque wasn't held to the normal standard at BU.
There is also the question of in state vs out of state. Surprising to me is the number of out of staters that want to go to UNH. UNH is far more selective with out of state applicants than in state. I think that is a function of being a state school, even if the state barely supports the instituion...
Greg Ambrose
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BU has not been an elite team all year. They will have to win HE in order to make the NCAA's. UMass, as always, flamed out, starting with the loss against us. And as much as I liked our five goal explosion on Friday night, there is no way that you can say any of them were grinder goals. We had little offensive zone presence the whole weekend. Maybe 10 minutes Friday and part of the OT on Sunday.
Sislo is listed at 5'11", so given athletic department's propensity to exaggerate, he's probably 5'10" at best. Sislo misses JVR desperately. He's stuck on a line with LeBlanc, who holds onto the puck too much. Sislo is a finisher, at least he was last year, who needs someone to give him the puck.
Butler is one of the better players in the league, the other three you mentioned are not. DeSimone is way too enamored with his ability to handle the puck. He was much more effective earlier in the year when he dished it off to Butler. As stated, Sislo is a finisher, not a playmaker. As for LeBlanc, watch him when he gets into the zone. His first inclination is to shoot, almost always. This hurts him and it especially hurts Sislo.
I was referring to Blake Kessel the puck carrying defenseman. Kessel has good offensive skills for a d-man. He reads plays well, especially on the PP. Earlier in the year I thought he was improving getting the puck out of the zone. Maybe he hasn't figured out new forechecking schemes, but he was not as effective at the end of the season as he was earlier.
Ya, in the "middle of the season" UNH beat other crappyteams like BU at Agganis and UMass when they were nationally ranked. And Friday night they only managed 7 "dirty" goals against UVM. Isn't it possible that UVM played extraordinarily well on Saturday and Sunday and UNH beat the UVM defense and Madore a few times on Sunday but the puck eluded the net? [QUOTE
Sislo is small? Small forwards don't do well in Hockey East (e.g., the Whitney brothers from BC; Vock and Roloff from UVM; etc.)?
Each top Hockey East team has a few really talented players who can make plays on their own (e.g., Irwin, Krieder, Nyquist, etc.). They may not rise to your standards but DeSimone, Sislo, and LeBlanc all made a number of nifty, individual plays against UVM this weekend. And, don't forget that other "small" UNH forward, Butler, who desperately resorted to individual plays all season long. How did that work out for him and the team?
Are you referring to the Blake Kessel who had 9 goals and 26 assists as a sophomore defenseman?
BU has not been an elite team all year. They will have to win HE in order to make the NCAA's. UMass, as always, flamed out, starting with the loss against us. And as much as I liked our five goal explosion on Friday night, there is no way that you can say any of them were grinder goals. We had little offensive zone presence the whole weekend. Maybe 10 minutes Friday and part of the OT on Sunday.
Sislo is listed at 5'11", so given athletic department's propensity to exaggerate, he's probably 5'10" at best. Sislo misses JVR desperately. He's stuck on a line with LeBlanc, who holds onto the puck too much. Sislo is a finisher, at least he was last year, who needs someone to give him the puck.
Butler is one of the better players in the league, the other three you mentioned are not. DeSimone is way too enamored with his ability to handle the puck. He was much more effective earlier in the year when he dished it off to Butler. As stated, Sislo is a finisher, not a playmaker. As for LeBlanc, watch him when he gets into the zone. His first inclination is to shoot, almost always. This hurts him and it especially hurts Sislo.
I was referring to Blake Kessel the puck carrying defenseman. Kessel has good offensive skills for a d-man. He reads plays well, especially on the PP. Earlier in the year I thought he was improving getting the puck out of the zone. Maybe he hasn't figured out new forechecking schemes, but he was not as effective at the end of the season as he was earlier.
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I am not there yet in life, but based on the drug adds on TV, I would guess something else stops working right before the eyes...
why did i think he was smaller? the eyes must be the first things to goi won't tell ya what the last thing to die is though
I am not there yet in life, but based on the drug adds on TV, I would guess something else stops working right before the eyes...
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I think the loss of Kostolansky was bigger than I would have imagined. Hardowa filled in well and other than being slow of foot I like him, good-great positioning, very good stick, uses the body. I did notice Hardowa rarely chases in to the corner but instead stays in front of the net, probably to compensate for the speed issue. As an older player I wonder if Hardowa is what you see is what you get.
Kostolansky just seemed to have a calming effect on the entire group of D-men. I noticed it the first time I saw him play, very comfortable with the puck on his stick and the entire group seemed more content to posses the puck. Not afraid to hold it even under pressure, and talented enough on both forehand and backhand to stick handle away from a forechecker.
Since he has been out I have noticed the puck is like a live hand grenade to Krates and Kessel has tailed off. May be coincidental or I just started noticing it at about the same time.
I think the loss of Kostolansky was bigger than I would have imagined. Hardowa filled in well and other than being slow of foot I like him, good-great positioning, very good stick, uses the body. I did notice Hardowa rarely chases in to the corner but instead stays in front of the net, probably to compensate for the speed issue. As an older player I wonder if Hardowa is what you see is what you get.
Kostolansky just seemed to have a calming effect on the entire group of D-men. I noticed it the first time I saw him play, very comfortable with the puck on his stick and the entire group seemed more content to posses the puck. Not afraid to hold it even under pressure, and talented enough on both forehand and backhand to stick handle away from a forechecker.
Since he has been out I have noticed the puck is like a live hand grenade to Krates and Kessel has tailed off. May be coincidental or I just started noticing it at about the same time.
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Are you talking about players or students? If a hockey player wants to go to the NHL, obviously Boston College or BU will win out over UNH. If a student wants to be an Electric Engineer, he's better off going to UNH than the other two.
The "selectivity" issue we are discussing is, I think, specific to hockey players. Sure, broad spectrum, that list may be more selective than UNH - I would imagine that "fact" came out of some college guide or website. But specific programs at UNH can be quite selective (nursing and some engineering majors come to mind) while others are not.
The question it seems we are guessing at here is, is the current UNH admissions brain trust holding hockey players to the same standard as "regular" applicants. Certainly we can speculate that Bourque wasn't held to the normal standard at BU.
Are you talking about players or students? If a hockey player wants to go to the NHL, obviously Boston College or BU will win out over UNH. If a student wants to be an Electric Engineer, he's better off going to UNH than the other two.
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I cannot agree more. Although I was only able to listen to the three games on the radio in Colorado this past weekend, I think that UVM peaked at the right time, just as they did last season.
I ran the PWR predictor with UVM winning the HE tourney, with top seeds winning the other three major tourneys (Cornell, Miami, DU), which sets up the following: 1) DU, 2) Miami, 3) Wisco, 4) Nodak, 5) BC, 6) Cornell, 7) Bemidji, 8) UVM, 9) St. Cloud, 10) No Mich, 11) Yale, 12) UNH, 13) Ferris, 14) Alaska, 15) AHA winner, 16) Huntsville.
If this ranking were to come true, we could see a bracket at Albany with Wisco facing Alaska and UNH facing Cornell. What an opportunity that would be to beat two nemeses this season on our way to Detroit, where I think BC, Miami, and DU would be awaiting for winning their brackets. BTW, UNH needs to make the Championship game to avoid a sub-20 win season for the first time since 1995-96.
I cannot agree more. Although I was only able to listen to the three games on the radio in Colorado this past weekend, I think that UVM peaked at the right time, just as they did last season.
I ran the PWR predictor with UVM winning the HE tourney, with top seeds winning the other three major tourneys (Cornell, Miami, DU), which sets up the following: 1) DU, 2) Miami, 3) Wisco, 4) Nodak, 5) BC, 6) Cornell, 7) Bemidji, 8) UVM, 9) St. Cloud, 10) No Mich, 11) Yale, 12) UNH, 13) Ferris, 14) Alaska, 15) AHA winner, 16) Huntsville.
If this ranking were to come true, we could see a bracket at Albany with Wisco facing Alaska and UNH facing Cornell. What an opportunity that would be to beat two nemeses this season on our way to Detroit, where I think BC, Miami, and DU would be awaiting for winning their brackets. BTW, UNH needs to make the Championship game to avoid a sub-20 win season for the first time since 1995-96.
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Is it safe to assume that these opinions won't show up in the next article on the Friends of UNH Hockey website?
Is it safe to assume that these opinions won't show up in the next article on the Friends of UNH Hockey website?
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He's talking reputation, but also the percentage of applications rejected.
BC fans were crowing a few years back when their reported applications topped 26,000 and then 30,000 for freshman classes of just over 2200.
I recall some discussion that the number was misleading, given that BC accepts the Common Application (as does UNH), and the percent change in applications from one year to the next was so large. The implication was that the Common Application represented most of the new applications, and are less of an indicator of true interest, because of the ease of applying to multiple schools.
He's talking reputation, but also the percentage of applications rejected.
BC fans were crowing a few years back when their reported applications topped 26,000 and then 30,000 for freshman classes of just over 2200.
I recall some discussion that the number was misleading, given that BC accepts the Common Application (as does UNH), and the percent change in applications from one year to the next was so large. The implication was that the Common Application represented most of the new applications, and are less of an indicator of true interest, because of the ease of applying to multiple schools.
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I wasn't talking reputation, I was talking about % of applications rejected. Which, by the way, is not necessarily indicative of the quality of a school. i don't want you to get that impression - I understand the difference.
I also know that different schools will bend their admissions policies different amounts for athletes.
But I do have a hard time believing that a school in UNH that accepts around 65%-70% of its applicants is struggling to compete due to admissions selectivity. I could be wrong, but I don't think so.
I wasn't talking reputation, I was talking about % of applications rejected. Which, by the way, is not necessarily indicative of the quality of a school. i don't want you to get that impression - I understand the difference.
I also know that different schools will bend their admissions policies different amounts for athletes.
But I do have a hard time believing that a school in UNH that accepts around 65%-70% of its applicants is struggling to compete due to admissions selectivity. I could be wrong, but I don't think so.
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They have lost a few fairly good recruits lately because they couldn't get in.
We will have to see how Matt White pans out at UNO and Cam Reid at SCSU. Keith Yandle has looked great in the NHL the last couple years but he couldn't get in anywhere (even Maine...).
All were committed to UNH and couldn't get through adminssions.
They have had some bad luck as of late: Bourque, Yandle, White, Reid, Komoliteus (spelling?) with players not making it in for one reason or another after being committed.
They have lost a few fairly good recruits lately because they couldn't get in.
We will have to see how Matt White pans out at UNO and Cam Reid at SCSU. Keith Yandle has looked great in the NHL the last couple years but he couldn't get in anywhere (even Maine...).
All were committed to UNH and couldn't get through adminssions.
They have had some bad luck as of late: Bourque, Yandle, White, Reid, Komoliteus (spelling?) with players not making it in for one reason or another after being committed.
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Actually, neither.
I was thinking in terms of the institution's perspective, of which I have no first-hand knowledge.
Actually, neither.
I was thinking in terms of the institution's perspective, of which I have no first-hand knowledge.
unhpuckfan2001
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That's not that the Dean in "Accepted" said! I heard Chris Borque got into the S.outh H.armon I.nstitue of T.echnology . . .
In all seriousness, I get what you're saying (and thanks for working to avoid another BC / UNH flame war). I was just curious which you meant. It's an interesting discussion -- UNH standing on principal, and not allowing talented, but "dumb", hockey players to come to school just for hockey (who let Danny Dries in? sorry, couldn't resist). And after the 7 periods of scoreless hockey, this is at least not as pain to talk about . . .
That's not that the Dean in "Accepted" said! I heard Chris Borque got into the S.outh H.armon I.nstitue of T.echnology . . .
In all seriousness, I get what you're saying (and thanks for working to avoid another BC / UNH flame war). I was just curious which you meant. It's an interesting discussion -- UNH standing on principal, and not allowing talented, but "dumb", hockey players to come to school just for hockey (who let Danny Dries in? sorry, couldn't resist). And after the 7 periods of scoreless hockey, this is at least not as pain to talk about . . .
thecomicbookguy
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So, in your scenario, they'd play Cornell, then Wisco, then BC, then either Miami or Denver? Four games against red teams - a color they did not beat OOC all season. Hell, in that scenario, if they faced Miami in the NC game, they'd end up playing 4 teams they played already this season, and went a combined 0-5-3 against. Hmm...
Greg Ambrose
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You are correct sir. I am a man with two hats. Opinions expressed here are those of the writer only and do not reflect the opinions of the organization or its sponsors. But I thank you for recognizing that the website does exist. We have been trying to get people to look at it, with little success. The Gibber gives us some great pictures, and I will do some sort of a season ending Wildcat Notes (with all its pluses and minuses). But the Friends is a booster club. Far be it for me to express my own opinions on their website, which is an extension of the athletic department. I don't think Marty or Dick would be terribly happy.
You are correct sir. I am a man with two hats. Opinions expressed here are those of the writer only and do not reflect the opinions of the organization or its sponsors. But I thank you for recognizing that the website does exist. We have been trying to get people to look at it, with little success. The Gibber gives us some great pictures, and I will do some sort of a season ending Wildcat Notes (with all its pluses and minuses). But the Friends is a booster club. Far be it for me to express my own opinions on their website, which is an extension of the athletic department. I don't think Marty or Dick would be terribly happy.
thecomicbookguy
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Why not put a link in your signature? I'm sure there are plenty of people reading this who don't know the site exists, or don't know the URL. It's a bit of free advertising.
Why not put a link in your signature? I'm sure there are plenty of people reading this who don't know the site exists, or don't know the URL. It's a bit of free advertising.
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I think the articles on the Friends' website compare favorably to what appears in the sports pages in the various NH papers. Gibber's pictures are tremendous, as always. Speaking of his photos, I wonder if he took the ones at Sunday's game for the AP. The one with the puck fluttering in the air while Madore has his eyes closed captures how close UNH came to scoring on a number of occasions.
I think the articles on the Friends' website compare favorably to what appears in the sports pages in the various NH papers. Gibber's pictures are tremendous, as always. Speaking of his photos, I wonder if he took the ones at Sunday's game for the AP. The one with the puck fluttering in the air while Madore has his eyes closed captures how close UNH came to scoring on a number of occasions.
Greg Ambrose
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Thanks for the good words. I saw Gibber at the game on Sunday, working as an AP photographer. The pics he sends me are the ones that don't appear in the paper. Gibber is self taught and does a great job. He's a great fan too, on the Friends Board of Directors for the last few years.
Thanks for the good words. I saw Gibber at the game on Sunday, working as an AP photographer. The pics he sends me are the ones that don't appear in the paper. Gibber is self taught and does a great job. He's a great fan too, on the Friends Board of Directors for the last few years.
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