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UNH Men’s Hockey 22-23: the start of something new, or more of the same?
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You may look at those stats as a negative, but I prefer to think of them as "think of all the money the U is saving on unachieved bonuses in Souza's contract."
Goals Per Game -
2.5 (40th Nationally / T-7th HE)
2.7 (31st / 8th)
2.6 (33rd / T-10th)
2.2 (48th / T-10th)
1.7 (57th / T-11th)
Goals Against Per Game -
2.9 (33rd Nationally / 10th HE)
2.9 (37th / T-8th)
3.8 (46th / 11th)
2.8 (26th / T-8th)
3.2 (45th / 12th)
Once. The number of times under Souza that UNH has finished in the TOP HALF Nationally in GF or GA per game.
Once. The number of times under Souza that UNH has finished above 8TH in Hockey East in GF or GA per game.
2.5 (40th Nationally / T-7th HE)
2.7 (31st / 8th)
2.6 (33rd / T-10th)
2.2 (48th / T-10th)
1.7 (57th / T-11th)
Goals Against Per Game -
2.9 (33rd Nationally / 10th HE)
2.9 (37th / T-8th)
3.8 (46th / 11th)
2.8 (26th / T-8th)
3.2 (45th / 12th)
Once. The number of times under Souza that UNH has finished in the TOP HALF Nationally in GF or GA per game.
Once. The number of times under Souza that UNH has finished above 8TH in Hockey East in GF or GA per game.
deltabravo62
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Contract contains up to $82,500 per year in performance bonuses over 7 criteria and up to $4,000 in team academic success bonuses over 2 criteria. Of the performance bonuses he has not achieved a single one in 5 seasons so that's a nice $412,500 on savings for the U! I'm guessing he has made the academic bonuses as they always brag about the teams academic success.
Side note: (also seen as snark): Apparently academic success is 4.8% as important as athletic success in this contract for bonus pay. For those who believe the team finds academics more important than winning, the numbers are a bit off ; )
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Contract contains up to $82,500 per year in performance bonuses over 7 criteria and up to $4,000 in team academic success bonuses over 2 criteria. Of the performance bonuses he has not achieved a single one in 5 seasons so that's a nice $412,500 on savings for the U! I'm guessing he has made the academic bonuses as they always brag about the teams academic success.
Side note: (also seen as snark): Apparently academic success is 4.8% as important as athletic success in this contract for bonus pay. For those who believe the team finds academics more important than winning, the numbers are a bit off ; )
If that were $4k per player academic success bonus, then MS7 would be laughin’
This just makes me sad and shows the continue slid down to the bottom of the nations with all players that he brought in. These show the team has no identity and all the proof that it’s time for a change.
I don’t question if he care or tried hard , I am sure he does. I am sure I would to if I was coaching but that doesn’t mean I wouldn’t be in over my head.
Chuck Murray
WIS & Effingwoods Hockey Almanac
Those "unachieved bonuses" were/are undoubtedly funded line items on the AD's annual budget, so while I suspect you're just joining in with the ba11-bu$t!ng theme of the last few days ... the solution to "Where do we find the money to buy him out?" may very well lie in those budgeted line item details. Which leads me to this flashback I'm having ...
From a man who knows his Italian restaurants!
You have a good memory!! (sincere smiley ... not a sarcastic one)
Can't tell if you're being serious, because the new board won't allow emojis.
Yeah, neither can I. I wasn't the one canceling him...I was pointing out how he WAS getting flak from the barrage of people he "dared" to offend. He came on here to express his opinion based on his experiences and got lambasted. But that's the way things are today...agree or get eviscerated. Whatever. And we wonder why participation in these forums has dropped off...
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Yes, it's called debate. Only people insecure in their positions view getting pushback as being "cancelled." Most of us can handle someone not agreeing with our pre-ordained viewpoints on a message board. I'd welcome you joining in the debate about whether Mike Souza is a good coach, whether or not you agree with the growing consensus on the thread. You might even change your mind by listening to inputs.
And don't worry, none of us are USCHO admin, so nobody will "cancel" Drew S. And I don't believe Drew "offended" anyone, it's not like we're personally at risk from his opinion. He also strikes me as someone who can stand differing points of view (I think his worry about Barr will be shown wrong)
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deltabravo62
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Cancel, cancelled: "you keep using that word, I don't think it means what you think it means"
Chuck Murray
WIS & Effingwoods Hockey Almanac
With all due respect chickod ... I think your description of the response to Drew's opinion of why the UNH coaching staff is failing as "cancelling" him is inaccurate, or that folks are "offended" at his take. Personally, I think he came up with a flimsy comparison that doesn't hold up in light of the going-on-eight-year adventure with MS7, and a lot of folks (myself included) told him so. I don't recall anyone telling Drew to take his ball and go home to the UMaine thread (and if they did, then shame on them). Certainly, I've disagreed (and sometimes agreed) with Drew on a wide range of subjects, both here and on the UMaine thread, maybe even on some other threads? But he and others should always feel free to come on any part of this board and share their opinions. And other participants likewise should feel free to adopt or disagree with his takes.
Personally ... like you, I remember the days on the USCHO boards where pretty much everything was fair game, and I wish we were back there now. If you're not a sensitive person, I don't see how what we have here these days can even compare to the freedom to really let rip we used to enjoy in the old days. But numbers-wise, this thread seems to be the most active AND popular (by posts and views), so clearly the group seems to be tolerating each other in a crotchedy kind of way, and attracts other free-thinking posters. These days, I'll settle for that, and hope we can continue to push back against those who would rather censor free and at-times-edgy commentary. No??
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And I think we can all agree that if Maine doesn't want Barr, we'll take him.
HockeyRef
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Its no secret I can get riled up but was not offended by Drews post ...he has always offers a positve spin on things regardless; even in Maines darkest days hes always looking for the good stuff.
That said there are times when I need a thicker skin but have learned that if you are going to post in a public forum you need to be ready for pushback and that is what was leveled..moving on...
HR's predicts for the weekend:
Fri: BU 6 UNH 1
Sat: BU 4 UNH O
That said there are times when I need a thicker skin but have learned that if you are going to post in a public forum you need to be ready for pushback and that is what was leveled..moving on...
HR's predicts for the weekend:
Fri: BU 6 UNH 1
Sat: BU 4 UNH O
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HockeyRef
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And I think we can all agree that if Maine doesn't want Barr, we'll take him.
Seconded....
Yes, like a former provost I heard define faculty as an eclectic mix of educators at an academic institution who share a common grievance centered on parking.
Ha, I was kidding. I did get a chuckle out of your post. I think the problem in today’s world is people get way too upset that someone doesn’t think exactly like them and take it personally. I definitely wouldn’t expect other people to think exactly like me on everything.
I actually think Barr would be more successful at UNH than Maine and him and his family would be a lot happier. He’s almost certainly at Maine the next few years and I guess we’ll see whether it works out or not. If he is going to be successful at Maine this weekend could be what people look back on as the turning point for him.
I just checked and Guite is 4-0 at Bowdoin this year after a decent season as an ECHL coach. Would he be someone you would consider as coach or is there still too much pain over what happened in Anaheim? Bazin came to Lowell after being coach at Hamilton so there is precedent for it.
deltabravo62
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While I can't say for sure that on ice results would be better for Barr at UNH, I can definitely see the point on family and lifestyle being easier to sell at UNH than UMaine. I did make a point to another poster off this board that with identical contract terms I believe UNH could pull a better candidate than UMaine for exactly that reason. What I definitely don't agree with is that we are the minnows in the shark tank and we should understand and accept that is all we will ever be. Do I see UNH ever spending constantly at the level of BC, BU, UConn, and the like? No. What can and hopefully will keep teams such as ours from being also-rans is the wide range of tactics to build and develop rosters. You need the right person at the top to do that. While the end results have not borne fruit yet look at the worldwide approach Woodcroft is taking at UVM with his international recruiting. Has it worked so far? No. Could it work in the next few seasons? Absolutely. Do I applaud him for trying something different instead of accepting that he is at UVM and you get what you get? You bet your a** I do.
Chuck Murray
WIS & Effingwoods Hockey Almanac
Thirded and Fourthed
Chuck Murray
WIS & Effingwoods Hockey Almanac
Agreed. It's both fun AND challenging to hold up your opinions and see what other folks think/say ... and if you're being intellectually honest, it forces you to think it all through, and sometimes re-examine your own thoughts. Whether it's on sports, or other bigger things (if there are any things more important!) ... folks who've been on here since the old days wouldn't recognize my current takes on Walshy or Coach York, or even on Coach Umile (which I'm still frankly struggling with now). I dare say that events of the last few days have caused some regulars on here to reassess their thoughts on the recently-departed AD. That this place is both informative AND challenging is what's always brought me back ...
Any "pain" over Guite (at least for me) would have much more to do with a super dirty hit on Mark Mowers at the Whitt well before Anaheim. but that's so long ago, I can't imagine it being an obstacle a generation later IF he was an accomplished and qualified D-1 head coach. Right now, he isn't. JMHO.
TBH I don't follow the comparison to Bazin, who played at UML and had established himself as a D-1 assistant coach with a fairly successful Colorado College program before returning to Lowell?
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