UNH- How Far West Do We Go?

[2013hockeyfan]

I think UNH is at high risk of a mass exodus this offseason via a variety of avenues (trxfer portal, back to major juniors, quitting, etc) given the second half results. There are few guys on the roster expected to return next season with a strong tie to the program, really only Lavins and Fitzgerald come to mind.

Northern Michigan following the 23/24 season a recent example of this, 13 kids left from their roster after that season.

 

[Chuck Murray]

Was it widely known among folks here that the mother of the Hughes brothers was a UNH soccer alum?? Great piece about her in The Athletic for anyone who has a subscription, covers the work she has done with USA Women's hockey.

Wouldn't mind seeing her behind the bench as HC for either UNH hockey program.

Edit: do remember seeing that Luke Hughes' bios have listed a Manchester, NH birthplace

Why would a 56 year old woman living comfortably in suburban Detroit, with no coaching history, ever want to uproot herself to take a flyer on her alma mater?

I don't think she's ever coached at a competitive level? Having said that ... if she was interested, it could be an awesome hire for the UNH Women's program.

All due respect, why would she ever be considered for the UNH Men's job - woke quotient? Probably already being better qualified than MS7 would be a super low bar for her to clear. As a PR stunt, it could be awesome ... or maybe a laughing stock? UNH can't afford to take that chance right now. Desperation is not a good look.

There's probably a close to 50% chance Quinn will sign as a UFA with Detroit after next season to add to the equation. If so, other son(s) may follow??

Sounds like she has the perfect mostly-at-home job doing what she's doing right now anyway. I love out of the box thinking, but this dog won't hunt, sorry.

 

[Chuck Murray]

I think UNH is at high risk of a mass exodus this offseason via a variety of avenues (trxfer portal, back to major juniors, quitting, etc) given the second half results. There are few guys on the roster expected to return next season with a strong tie to the program, really only Lavins and Fitzgerald come to mind.

Northern Michigan following the 23/24 season a recent example of this, 13 kids left from their roster after that season.

Agreed. This was pretty much Coach Souza's last bite of the apple, seeing that many others veered away from the Major Juniors route to let others give it a test drive. Unless he pulls off a miracle turnaround in the next month or so, it's only going to make things even more challenging with his new fave fishing hole.

 

[Chuck Murray]

Agreed, he is the C...if he doesn't transfer or go pro. Word out of Toronto is that Leafs are very high on him.

While I think he has a pro future, he's a marginal NHLer. I see a long career in the SHL, Singapore or the NL, however.

Lavins' success, hustle and attitude is in spite of MS7, not because of it.

Well, he'll definitely have his choice of pro options, seeing that no one holds his draft rights.

When you say the "Leafs are very high on him", I'm tempted to temper your enthusiasm, but I know you have some pretty good contacts in the game. I don't see "very high" for Lavins meaning much more than maybe a bottom six role next year on the Marlies at best if he pops in preseason camp, otherwise he's the 'Coast prototype. And if that's his realistic outlook, spending his senior year of eligibility in Titletown, possibly under a new coach(es?) who could better develop his game where others have let him down, might be just what the doctor ordered for a kid who deserves a break soon, before he gets injured badly and those slim hopes totally evaporate.

norbie, I see our exchange about potty has been expunged from the boards. Must've hurt xir feelings ...

 

[TheGrouchyCat]

Well, he'll definitely have his choice of pro options, seeing that no one holds his draft rights.

When you say the "Leafs are very high on him", I'm tempted to temper your enthusiasm, but I know you have some pretty good contacts in the game. I don't see "very high" for Lavins meaning much more than maybe a bottom six role next year on the Marlies at best if he pops in preseason camp, otherwise he's the 'Coast prototype. And if that's his realistic outlook, spending his senior year of eligibility in Titletown, possibly under a new coach(es?) who could better develop his game where others have let him down, might be just what the doctor ordered for a kid who deserves a break soon, before he gets injured badly and those slim hopes totally evaporate.

norbie, I see our exchange about potty has been expunged from the boards. Must've hurt xir feelings ...

I agree with you that Marty should project to be a bottom six forward in the NHL, a character guy. That's why I think Europe is the more viable career option.

 

[FlagUp17]

No doubt, UNH would be roadkill if there's a return trip to the Downeast. I got into trouble with Sparkee two years ago when I wrote MS7's pregame speech on here for the MBPBEGAM round "playoffs", and of course, UNH spit the bit (as usual) ... maybe this season, I could take a shot at Ben Barr's pregame pep talk??


As an aside FU17 (!) - I need to come up with something bettah ... Flag? Nah. 17?? Blah ... anyway - kudos, I love questions and topics like this. Not the stupid self-serving clickbait churned out by potty to let him do his usual "I Hate NH"-laced rants. Let me try ...

Someone on here before me - maybe you, or maybe some other sensible sort - suggested the Jimmy T. as interim coach option before I adopted it. So I don't want to poach someone else's credit ... but this would best address the financial challenges we always read about, how the U is so cash-strapped it can't find the princely sum of USD $250,000 (max BTW) to buy Coach out of his final year. With an institution running an annual 8 figure budget, I can't fathom the possibility they can't find that money somewhere between the proverbial couch cushions to get this done ... but just assuming they can't (more likely won't), then sending Souza out on gardening leave for the final season of his contract, and putting Jimmy T. in charge, allowing the two assistants to stick around, and leaving the "program GM" position Tortorella is currently holding vacant for a season seems fiscally prudent, and Jimmy T. can outcoach MS7 in his sleep. If a buyout can be reached - assuming Coach Souza won't do the right thing by his alma mater and voluntarily resign - a buyout of 50% of the amount due lets Souza get on with his life, and funds the differential between Tortorella's GM salary to his interim HC salary for the '26/'27 season.

I can't even imagine MS7 doesn't already have a fire lit under his butt. For once, I can't criticize the road work he apparently put in this offseason, so he has to know he's already on thin ice. Problem remains, he just can't coach at this level. And in Souza's defense, he's had Stewie and Jules with him since the start, I cannot see him as a guy who would jettison a personal friend/dedicated assistant to "save" his job. I think they are probably safe with their contracts - AD Rich wasn't chintzy with MS7's renewal, why would she do anything but the same with his guys?

In the end, I don't see the AD having the stones (figuratively of course) to pull the plug of her own volition. I think our only hope is that Jimmy T. comes to her at or near the end of the season in March, and recommends the glaringly obvious need for a change. Tortorella might even sit down with Souza first and tell him he's better off resigning, because otherwise he's gonna recommend a change? I don't think Tortorella has any designs on the HC job, even as an interim, and stepping into the role as a caretaker is even a little wobbly-looking if AD Rich doesn't hatch the idea first. Hopefully she reads this forum once in awhile, and this might plant the seed for the events that need to happen?

I can't pretend to know the relationships between Jimmy T. and Mike's assistants. It would be hard for either to receive serious consideration to replace MS7, and given their allegiance(s) to Souza, either/both might also step away from UNH if their current boss moves on, however it may happen. Jimmy T. keeping either/both of those guys on during a caretaker season would be a humane step to allow them both to either prove themselves independent of Souza, or to have time to relaunch elsewhere?

There's a lot of meat on that bone, I'm glad you raised it here and now, I suspect there will be lots more discussion of this as this disappointing season winds down ...

FU17 gave me a good chuckle, haha! Whatever works best for you and the rest of the crew is fine by me!

I’m not sure if it was me or someone else, but I think there is some merit to going to Jimmy T on an “interim” role. It is certainly dependent on him having the conversation with the AD/Souza on his thoughts and how the program has fallen etc. The other low hanging fruit I could foresee is giving Stewie a shot. He seems to be leading a lot of the recruiting efforts, so maybe there wouldn’t be a huge exit of players? As they were buying what he was trying to sell. He also predates MS7 a bit (2014 was his first year I believe?) I wonder if he was a bit hurt he got passed over for Souza in the first place, but perhaps the “master plan” for Umile’s replacement was already in the works…

Just spit balling here, but again there would likely be some cost savings with simply “promoting” Stewie, and trying to get MS7 to do a partial buyout or voluntary resignation. Maybe Jimmy T could try and convince him this option could help save his legacy? I imagine a number of younger fans don’t remember/know of his contributions to the team as a player and how he almost got them to the top of the mountain so many years ago… if he continues to drive the program into the ground, it will make it harder to remember the good old days. Even for Umile - while his early years were magnificent, it’s hard to get that “bad taste” of the last few years and his role with the MS7 tenure out of my mouth…

Again, my preference is certainly for what Grouchy was advocating for earlier - fresh blood and new faces. I just find it hard to fathom that would come to fruition before the contract ends (without voluntary resignation). Unless maybe they completely lose out the rest of the way, averaging 1 goal per game and allowing 4-5 goals per game.

And obviously my pipe dream would be that we win out, make it to Boston and win HE. Feel free to give out another 3 year extension if that comes to fruition, I just don’t have a lot of confidence that will come to fruition based on the last 4-5 weeks…

Prove me wrong though ‘cats. Let’s go!

 

[norbert]

I think UNH is at high risk of a mass exodus this offseason via a variety of avenues (trxfer portal, back to major juniors, quitting, etc) given the second half results. There are few guys on the roster expected to return next season with a strong tie to the program, really only Lavins and Fitzgerald come to mind.

Northern Michigan following the 23/24 season a recent example of this, 13 kids left from their roster after that season.

But you are not losing anything. If Lavins leaves it is to Toronto. None of the rest of this team leaving makes a huge difference.

 

[norbert]

I am going to go out on a limb and not predict wins (my 3-2 UNH win crashed) but I do think we will see some different looks the rest of the season. I don't expect a greater success but think if there is a change in play or mentality, I will take that as a win for the rest of the season. Time will tell Friday at the Whit.

 

[HockeyRef]

I am going to go out on a limb and not predict wins (my 3-2 UNH win crashed) but I do think we will see some different looks the rest of the season. I don't expect a greater success but think if there is a change in play or mentality, I will take that as a win for the rest of the season. Time will tell Friday at the Whit.

Different looks? Do tell!

 

[norbert]

Different looks? Do tell!

I don't have specifics but have a feeling things might look different Friday.

 

[JB]

Different looks? Do tell!

WHen you collapse like they did in the 3rd, I would hope there is some soul searching and we see something different. These guys are competitive, you don't get to where they are without being that way.

Forget the coaches just there pride alone should force some changes.

 

[Chuck Murray]

But you are not losing anything. If Lavins leaves it is to Toronto. None of the rest of this team leaving makes a huge difference.

All due respect to my good friends on here ... but if Lavins is seen in Toronto anytime soon, it will be in a Marlies' (AHL) jersey, not a Leafs' jersey.

And all due respect to Lavins ... if he does somehow make it to The Show next year, it will be another sign of the Leafs' precipitous drop in the Atlantic.

If Lavins can't even keep the 'Cats out of the HEA basement, how is he supposed to bail out that fading bunch of post-Marner chokers in the YYZ??

 

[Chuck Murray]

FU17 gave me a good chuckle, haha! Whatever works best for you and the rest of the crew is fine by me!

Not that it matters more than anyone else's opinion, but some of us oldsters have noted the uptick in new posters this season, in a very positive way.

I’m not sure if it was me or someone else, but I think there is some merit to going to Jimmy T on an “interim” role. It is certainly dependent on him having the conversation with the AD/Souza on his thoughts and how the program has fallen etc. The other low hanging fruit I could foresee is giving Stewie a shot. He seems to be leading a lot of the recruiting efforts, so maybe there wouldn’t be a huge exit of players? As they were buying what he was trying to sell. He also predates MS7 a bit (2014 was his first year I believe?) I wonder if he was a bit hurt he got passed over for Souza in the first place, but perhaps the “master plan” for Umile’s replacement was already in the works…

Just spit balling here, but again there would likely be some cost savings with simply “promoting” Stewie, and trying to get MS7 to do a partial buyout or voluntary resignation. Maybe Jimmy T could try and convince him this option could help save his legacy? I imagine a number of younger fans don’t remember/know of his contributions to the team as a player and how he almost got them to the top of the mountain so many years ago… if he continues to drive the program into the ground, it will make it harder to remember the good old days. Even for Umile - while his early years were magnificent, it’s hard to get that “bad taste” of the last few years and his role with the MS7 tenure out of my mouth…

First of all, as I think I've made clear ... I don't buy the "we can't afford to buy Souza out" line that keeps seeping out into the public domain. I mean, only a few pages ago, we were discussing how the U has spent millions of dollars to do the "lipstick on a pig" routine with older legacy buildings, only to raze/plan to raze them at a later date. So they can't find $100K-$150K between the couch cushions to thank MS7 for his efforts, and wish him the best with someone else's program?!? Not buying ...

... but if we're just gonna play it out that an institution running an 8 figure annual budget can't find even $250K to end the current PR nightmare to their flagship athletics program (lol) ... we've already come up with several viable alternatives to get us from now to the year after next, when there should be a proverbial national search for the new guy. As far as the "legacy pitch" to convince Souza to move on ... I'm not sure there are any out there but the few of us diehards who even remember what MS7 did as a player 27 years ago. And ironically, no one has done more to ensure his dwindling legacy than MS7 himself. At least with Coach Umile ... we have more than two decades of competitive winning hockey and a few trophies to look back at, plus his playing career, where his output (adjusted for era) was similar to that of his coaching successor. With Souza as head coach, there is a decade of barren nothingness. Sad but true.

Back when the Umile "long goodbye" transpired, there was lots of speculation about Coach Stewart, who came in a year before the crap began to hit the fan, and whether he might be the designated successor in due time. And of course, after that one season, there was the arrival and anointing of Souza instead of Stewart (long time followers may recall one of my final offseason "epics" called Fun with Souza, Dick & Stu, a monosyllabic masterpiece set at the Mount Hood GC in Melrose, fashioned after the old childhood reading primer series Fun with Sally Dick & Jane) and many of us wondered whether Stewie had gotten the old Fredo treatment ("I was stepped over, Mike!!"), but over time it seems if there was any resentment, Glenn has made his peace with the situation, and now unfortunately, he is steeped in the stank of his current boss' ineptitude, which in turn has no doubt limited Stewie's catchment area out on the road in turn.

I touched on the loyalty piece, and the interpersonal mechanics between the guys in charge of the program now ... say what you will, but Souza cannot be held to have been anything but loyal to his guys ... the Souza hiring by Umile and Blue Skies had lots of paisan overtones, and the same can probably also be said of Souza's subsequent loyalty to Stewart/Guiliano. Honorable, yet unsuccessful. The purported financial restrictions in Titletown are the only ruse which would possibly result in Jimmy T. stepping in for a year, short of Souza resigning early (mid March?) ... and the interim solution would only conceivably reach Stewart IF Tortorella refused it, for whatever reason (pay, workload, etc.), and Stewart got MS7's blessing to give it a whirl, possibly contingent on him keeping Guiliano in the mix?

It's complicated, and it's probably in fairness highly unlikely to begin with. If Stewart was a coaching genius in the shadows, one would imagine that player development would not be such an issue. Sure, it would be a fantastic story about how GS labored in the background as a long term assistant akin to Barr and Standbrook (or even Lombardi and Belichick in a different sport), only to emerge in full brilliance. But those other guys all supported winning programs (and NY Giants' title teams lol) ... there have been no hints of hidden greatness radiating out from Stewart's career to date. Like Souza, I'm sure he is a great guy, and at least with Stewart, he could prove to be a super recruiter in the future if his new boss has success and can open doors currently closed to Glenn.

WIS Latest Odds on UNH Coaching Outcomes for '26/'27 Season

Coach Souza resigns with one year left on his deal, walking away without a payout (best UNH result): 15-20% tops
Coach Souza agrees to a compromised buyout, giving UNH flexibility despite "financial limitations": 20-25% tops
Coach Souza won't budge, forcing him into "lame duck" season (again) or "gardening leave" scenario: 60%
Faced with the last option, UNH chooses to act on the "gardening leave" option to hire an interim HC: 33% tops
Interim head coach options in the "gardening leave" scenario: Jimmy T. 80% / Stewart 15% / TBD 4% / Guiliano 1%
Chances UNH will leave Hockey East in the next five (5) years due to uncertain D-1 landscape: 10%
Chances UNH will leave Hockey East in the next five (5) years if the next HC hire fails miserably: 5%

Again, my preference is certainly for what Grouchy was advocating for earlier - fresh blood and new faces. I just find it hard to fathom that would come to fruition before the contract ends (without voluntary resignation). Unless maybe they completely lose out the rest of the way, averaging 1 goal per game and allowing 4-5 goals per game.

It's truly a shame that the last two AD's have stood by with their collective thumbs up their a$$ and been complicit in this great program's total collapse. So yeah, at least going outside the current team in charge is pretty much a must, unless bizarre circumstances reveal a genius has been hiding amongst them.

I'd still give guys like Boguniecki and Ayers an interview in a heartbeat. Both have been away from the program for roughly a generation, and have had their own independent experiences, especially with Bogie as an NHL player, AHL assistant and as an NHL scout. He's comfortably removed from the tainted pool like Souza (and Stewie to a lesser degree) that have landed the program in its current condition. And whereas the current HC couldn't stand up to the former AD, and has no standing to challenge the current AD, I can't foresee a world where Bogie wouldn't feel free (and obligated) to voice his opinion forcefully and convincingly. I mean, who could pull rank on him?

 

[Chuck Murray]

I don't have specifics but have a feeling things might look different Friday.

There will be a rearranging of the deck chairs on the Titanic. It might work for an hour/game or two. The ship is still destined for the bottom of the sea (or HEA).

 

[FlagUp17]

WHen you collapse like they did in the 3rd, I would hope there is some soul searching and we see something different. These guys are competitive, you don't get to where they are without being that way.

Forget the coaches just there pride alone should force some changes.

Totally agree. Some of these guys are likely playing to extend their hockey careers (seniors like Chauvette, Leclerc, Skrastins, etc) and others likely think they need to sweeten the pot to show other prospective teams they are worthy of a transfer (I hope it’s not a mass exodus, but given the results the last year+, I wouldn’t be surprised…)

Not sure if much will change. I do hope Coombs gets a shot in net to see what he has to offer, but I’m not sure that will happen. Souza seems to get his mind set on a goalie, and outside of injury he doesn’t like to deviate from that too much…

 

[FlagUp17]

Not that it matters more than anyone else's opinion, but some of us oldsters have noted the uptick in new posters this season, in a very positive way.


First of all, as I think I've made clear ... I don't buy the "we can't afford to buy Souza out" line that keeps seeping out into the public domain. I mean, only a few pages ago, we were discussing how the U has spent millions of dollars to do the "lipstick on a pig" routine with older legacy buildings, only to raze/plan to raze them at a later date. So they can't find $100K-$150K between the couch cushions to thank MS7 for his efforts, and wish him the best with someone else's program?!? Not buying ...

... but if we're just gonna play it out that an institution running an 8 figure annual budget can't find even $250K to end the current PR nightmare to their flagship athletics program (lol) ... we've already come up with several viable alternatives to get us from now to the year after next, when there should be a proverbial national search for the new guy. As far as the "legacy pitch" to convince Souza to move on ... I'm not sure there are any out there but the few of us diehards who even remember what MS7 did as a player 27 years ago. And ironically, no one has done more to ensure his dwindling legacy than MS7 himself. At least with Coach Umile ... we have more than two decades of competitive winning hockey and a few trophies to look back at, plus his playing career, where his output (adjusted for era) was similar to that of his coaching successor. With Souza as head coach, there is a decade of barren nothingness. Sad but true.

Back when the Umile "long goodbye" transpired, there was lots of speculation about Coach Stewart, who came in a year before the crap began to hit the fan, and whether he might be the designated successor in due time. And of course, after that one season, there was the arrival and anointing of Souza instead of Stewart (long time followers may recall one of my final offseason "epics" called Fun with Souza, Dick & Stu, a monosyllabic masterpiece set at the Mount Hood GC in Melrose, fashioned after the old childhood reading primer series Fun with Sally Dick & Jane) and many of us wondered whether Stewie had gotten the old Fredo treatment ("I was stepped over, Mike!!"), but over time it seems if there was any resentment, Glenn has made his peace with the situation, and now unfortunately, he is steeped in the stank of his current boss' ineptitude, which in turn has no doubt limited Stewie's catchment area out on the road in turn.

I touched on the loyalty piece, and the interpersonal mechanics between the guys in charge of the program now ... say what you will, but Souza cannot be held to have been anything but loyal to his guys ... the Souza hiring by Umile and Blue Skies had lots of paisan overtones, and the same can probably also be said of Souza's subsequent loyalty to Stewart/Guiliano. Honorable, yet unsuccessful. The purported financial restrictions in Titletown are the only ruse which would possibly result in Jimmy T. stepping in for a year, short of Souza resigning early (mid March?) ... and the interim solution would only conceivably reach Stewart IF Tortorella refused it, for whatever reason (pay, workload, etc.), and Stewart got MS7's blessing to give it a whirl, possibly contingent on him keeping Guiliano in the mix?

It's complicated, and it's probably in fairness highly unlikely to begin with. If Stewart was a coaching genius in the shadows, one would imagine that player development would not be such an issue. Sure, it would be a fantastic story about how GS labored in the background as a long term assistant akin to Barr and Standbrook (or even Lombardi and Belichick in a different sport), only to emerge in full brilliance. But those other guys all supported winning programs (and NY Giants' title teams lol) ... there have been no hints of hidden greatness radiating out from Stewart's career to date. Like Souza, I'm sure he is a great guy, and at least with Stewart, he could prove to be a super recruiter in the future if his new boss has success and can open doors currently closed to Glenn.

WIS Latest Odds on UNH Coaching Outcomes for '26/'27 Season

Coach Souza resigns with one year left on his deal, walking away without a payout (best UNH result): 15-20% tops
Coach Souza agrees to a compromised buyout, giving UNH flexibility despite "financial limitations": 20-25% tops
Coach Souza won't budge, forcing him into "lame duck" season (again) or "gardening leave" scenario: 60%
Faced with the last option, UNH chooses to act on the "gardening leave" option to hire an interim HC: 33% tops
Interim head coach options in the "gardening leave" scenario: Jimmy T. 80% / Stewart 15% / TBD 4% / Guiliano 1%
Chances UNH will leave Hockey East in the next five (5) years due to uncertain D-1 landscape: 10%
Chances UNH will leave Hockey East in the next five (5) years if the next HC hire fails miserably: 5%


It's truly a shame that the last two AD's have stood by with their collective thumbs up their a$$ and been complicit in this great program's total collapse. So yeah, at least going outside the current team in charge is pretty much a must, unless bizarre circumstances reveal a genius has been hiding amongst them.

I'd still give guys like Boguniecki and Ayers an interview in a heartbeat. Both have been away from the program for roughly a generation, and have had their own independent experiences, especially with Bogie as an NHL player, AHL assistant and as an NHL scout. He's comfortably removed from the tainted pool like Souza (and Stewie to a lesser degree) that have landed the program in its current condition. And whereas the current HC couldn't stand up to the former AD, and has no standing to challenge the current AD, I can't foresee a world where Bogie wouldn't feel free (and obligated) to voice his opinion forcefully and convincingly. I mean, who could pull rank on him?

I agree with your thoughts across the board, Chuck. I do hope the AD hears the opinions of fans - most of whom have been around the team/program far longer than she has. Heck, I wonder if any of the team alumni mentioned anything last week of how far the program as fallen, where a shootout “tie” is required to tie Merrimack…

I cannot fathom if she takes lightly to “fire Souza” chants percolating the Whitt, and also how quickly the Whitt emptied out even as soon as the ‘cats went down 2 goals on Friday night…

Life has taken me further away from Durham, but I do my best to watch as many games as I can online. Recently it has really looked like a ghost town, even in the student section which always used to be packed during my days on campus. That HAS to be effecting the programs bottom line, and she has to be seeing that.

Anyways, I appreciate your predicted percentages for outcomes. I guess I should have prefaced my reservation on the “Souza buyout” option. I do believe it is possible, but I think the “activation energy” (for those fellow science nerds out there) is higher than it should be in this situation. I think Souza will hang his hat on the earlier sweep in Orono, the win at Michigan State, and the win in the “NH battle” against Dartmouth, and I think the AD might bite on that. Ive mentioned I think it will take a more “catastrophic” fall the rest of the way to combat the earlier season successes (e.g., finishing with around 1 goal per game, losing out (maybe 1 more win?) and an average losing margin of 2+ goals).

Again, I will never hope for us to “tank”. I know some fans in other sports promote that, as it can help with draft position, etc. In our situation, I think it hurts our ability to retain players, attract better talent, etc.

I hope to be wrong with what it takes to get the gears moving for a change. MS7 has to be feeling the heat now (if he hasn’t been feeling it for the last few years).

One last note on the potential for Boguniecki to joining - what do you think his current salary is? I imagine Ayer’s (at BC) is making pretty decent money, especially with how long he has been there, so don’t know what would be required to entice him to join (and if $ is the determining factor at the end of the day).

What do assistants typically make in Div 1 college hockey? And coaches in juniors / NHL scouts?