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UNH- How Far West Do We Go?

Chuck Murray said:
So ... last time I checked, Dartmouth has been running a D-1 Men's Hockey program for many, many years now. Definitely for sure at the time the Allecia kid originally committed to UNH. Which of course means Allecia originally decided that UNH was his best D-1 option for the future. With me so far, potty??

Now we move ahead a year or two ... Allecia decommits from UNH, and in a relatively short time period, he is re-committed to Dartmouth. What changed? Here are a few things we know for sure:
  1. Dartmouth was (and still is) an Ivy League school
  2. UNH wasn't (and still isn't) an Ivy League school
  3. The Dartmouth coaching staff hasn't materially changed in several years
  4. The UNH coaching staff hasn't materially changed in several years
So at some point recently, Allecia obviously had a change of heart. You are only speculating that it had something to do with a better offer package ("most likely for full financial aid") which is your usual "straw man", constructed specifically to support your UNH-friendly conclusion. But you dismiss other reasons:
  1. The Dartmouth coaching staff is able to point to a steady upwards progression of their results, year to year (including a 4-0-0 start this season)
  2. The UNH coaching staff is unable to point to any upwards progression of their results, year to year (including a mediocre 4-5-0 start this season)
  3. UNH Men's Hockey has experienced an above-average volume of decommits during the Coach Souza era
The overall weight of evidence on the usual factors leans heavily on the likelihood that Allecia lost faith in his selection of UNH, weighed in comparison to Dartmouth, and with the quick turnover suggesting Dartmouth was likely in the mix originally when he first selected UNH. Of course, there is also the weight of feedback from advisors and other trusted hockey contacts (coaches, players on other teams, etc.) where Reid Cashman can point to a growing program, whereas Mike Souza can only point to a stagnating program that he is convinced will be growing positively in the future, despite a decade of evidence to the contrary.

In the end, RB is very likely correct. UNH is going to need to go in another direction in order to return to their prior level of success. MS7 has had two major changes of circumstances that offered him an excuse (or per you, an explanation) as to why his program hasn't been successful. One, "Shrink The Rink" has now failed. Two, the new Canadian Junior recruiting strategy, is not showing any immediate results, and that all told points to one thing - limited D-1 coaching ability. Advisors know that. Other coaches that interact within and around the D-1 hockey circles know that. And eventually, players and recruits know, too.

It's really not all that complicated, is it potty?!? Unless of course you have an agenda, and all arguments must be bent to jam forcibly into said agenda ...
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Not to be outdone by UNH..but Dartmouth has a spiffy new 'tron this season ...must've been the reason ha!
 
Chuck Murray said:
UNH Men's Soccer just did your typical Titletown Tango, threatening to dethrone rivals/defending D-1 champions UVM in the AE Semis, squandering an early 1-0 lead, and then eventually losing 2-1 in the 8th minute of sudden death "golden goal" OT, in front of an enthusiastic crowd at Virtue (Signaling?) Field in beautiful Burlington VT. No big tourney invite (again) in the mail for the Wildcats this season. Coach Hubbard will be taking his NC State squad to the tourney though, with a probable at large bid. As tonight's announcers were bleating into their mics ... "The college soccer world runs through Burlington". I think I just threw up in my mouth a bit ...

... anyway, back to hockey. UNH's semi-annual trip to the eastern tip of the Rust Belt (and the 19th century Autobahn that was the Erie Canal), where we all wait in anticipation of HR's forthcoming travelogue during her pilgrimage to The Land That Time Forgot, which will hopefully feature a distracting, pain-killing trip to the nearby Dinosaur B-B-Q. I don't foresee good things after the last two weekends of coming up short against mediocre competition, so I'll make pessimistic picks, in hopes that UNH counterintuitively (and finally) finds their way north of the elusive .500 mark. Close but no cigar, sorry ...

Friday: @ RPI 3 UNH 2
Saturday: @ Union 4 UNH 2

Too many folks seem to be counting on UNH to steamroll a terrible RPI squad, but the boys from Troy have been licking their lips for a taste of creamy cupcake. Enter UNH. Then, in another All-Chauvette weekend, his former teammates pull out their intel from the last two seasons of practices, and it's a long quiet ride back to Titletown for the good guys. The "Whale Watch" will continue. Lying in wait for the following weekend, Luce whets his appetite for his annual savagery at the expense of the lone fruit to date to be borne off of Luce's prodigious coaching tree shrub, a/k/a "Dick Umile's nephew". I'm starting to feel sick (again) ...
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Well getting beyond psyched to travel to the Albany area tomorrow..I mean Dinosaur BarBCue and picking up some maple Bailey's at the store on the hump !?!
Kind of nostalgic / bittersweet to go there as the first time to Troy was with a good friend who is no longer with us. And of course seeing the new Union digs will be huge haha. Third trip seeing the 'Cats play Union and (checks notes) I see I am 0-2 so feeling pretty positive we will beat 'em this time!
Til tomorrow..
 
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Chuck Murray said:
So ... last time I checked, Dartmouth has been running a D-1 Men's Hockey program for many, many years now. Definitely for sure at the time the Allecia kid originally committed to UNH. Which of course means Allecia originally decided that UNH was his best D-1 option for the future. With me so far, potty??

Now we move ahead a year or two ... Allecia decommits from UNH, and in a relatively short time period, he is re-committed to Dartmouth. What changed? Here are a few things we know for sure:
  1. Dartmouth was (and still is) an Ivy League school
  2. UNH wasn't (and still isn't) an Ivy League school
  3. The Dartmouth coaching staff hasn't materially changed in several years
  4. The UNH coaching staff hasn't materially changed in several years
So at some point recently, Allecia obviously had a change of heart. You are only speculating that it had something to do with a better offer package ("most likely for full financial aid") which is your usual "straw man", constructed specifically to support your UNH-friendly conclusion. But you dismiss other reasons:
  1. The Dartmouth coaching staff is able to point to a steady upwards progression of their results, year to year (including a 4-0-0 start this season)
  2. The UNH coaching staff is unable to point to any upwards progression of their results, year to year (including a mediocre 4-5-0 start this season)
  3. UNH Men's Hockey has experienced an above-average volume of decommits during the Coach Souza era
The overall weight of evidence on the usual factors leans heavily on the likelihood that Allecia lost faith in his selection of UNH, weighed in comparison to Dartmouth, and with the quick turnover suggesting Dartmouth was likely in the mix originally when he first selected UNH. Of course, there is also the weight of feedback from advisors and other trusted hockey contacts (coaches, players on other teams, etc.) where Reid Cashman can point to a growing program, whereas Mike Souza can only point to a stagnating program that he is convinced will be growing positively in the future, despite a decade of evidence to the contrary.

In the end, RB is very likely correct. UNH is going to need to go in another direction in order to return to their prior level of success. MS7 has had two major changes of circumstances that offered him an excuse (or per you, an explanation) as to why his program hasn't been successful. One, "Shrink The Rink" has now failed. Two, the new Canadian Junior recruiting strategy, is not showing any immediate results, and that all told points to one thing - limited D-1 coaching ability. Advisors know that. Other coaches that interact within and around the D-1 hockey circles know that. And eventually, players and recruits know, too.

It's really not all that complicated, is it potty?!? Unless of course you have an agenda, and all arguments must be bent to jam forcibly into said agenda ...
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It’s just Buford being Buford. To summarize, Buford doesn’t know but nevertheless decides to prove it to us all in a 400 word manifesto
 
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Chuck Murray said:
UNH Men's Soccer just did your typical Titletown Tango, threatening to dethrone rivals/defending D-1 champions UVM in the AE Semis, squandering an early 1-0 lead, and then eventually losing 2-1 in the 8th minute of sudden death "golden goal" OT, in front of an enthusiastic crowd at Virtue (Signaling?) Field in beautiful Burlington VT. No big tourney invite (again) in the mail for the Wildcats this season. Coach Hubbard will be taking his NC State squad to the tourney though, with a probable at large bid. As tonight's announcers were bleating into their mics ... "The college soccer world runs through Burlington". I think I just threw up in my mouth a bit ...

... anyway, back to hockey. UNH's semi-annual trip to the eastern tip of the Rust Belt (and the 19th century Autobahn that was the Erie Canal), where we all wait in anticipation of HR's forthcoming travelogue during her pilgrimage to The Land That Time Forgot, which will hopefully feature a distracting, pain-killing trip to the nearby Dinosaur B-B-Q. I don't foresee good things after the last two weekends of coming up short against mediocre competition, so I'll make pessimistic picks, in hopes that UNH counterintuitively (and finally) finds their way north of the elusive .500 mark. Close but no cigar, sorry ...

Friday: @ RPI 3 UNH 2
Saturday: @ Union 4 UNH 2

Too many folks seem to be counting on UNH to steamroll a terrible RPI squad, but the boys from Troy have been licking their lips for a taste of creamy cupcake. Enter UNH. Then, in another All-Chauvette weekend, his former teammates pull out their intel from the last two seasons of practices, and it's a long quiet ride back to Titletown for the good guys. The "Whale Watch" will continue. Lying in wait for the following weekend, Luce whets his appetite for his annual savagery at the expense of the lone fruit to date to be borne off of Luce's prodigious coaching tree shrub, a/k/a "Dick Umile's nephew". I'm starting to feel sick (again) ...
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If your predictions are correct, you can kiss our 20-win season goodbye, Chuck.

Cats need to sweep the Engineers and Garnet Chargers.
 
Potluck said:
It’s just Buford being Buford. To summarize, Buford doesn’t know but nevertheless decides to prove it to us all in a 400 word manifesto
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Blue Balls is back. Toss out a Travis Banga to keep em looking away with hockey knowledge, then when they get too worked up about the real issue (sub-par coach), cut the thread flow with these nuggets. Getting predictable.
 
Potluck said:
It’s just Buford being Buford. To summarize, Buford doesn’t know but nevertheless decides to prove it to us all in a 400 word manifesto
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Whalers said:
Blue Balls is back. Toss out a Travis Banga to keep em looking away with hockey knowledge, then when they get too worked up about the real issue (sub-par coach), cut the thread flow with these nuggets. Getting predictable.
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You're not fooling anyone these days, potty. Y'see ... the way I figure it, the folks who frequent this board are among the hardiest and well-read of the remaining die-hard UNH fans (or college hockey fans in general). They remember the days before the Internet, and especially the days before social media, when spitting out 140 characters' worth of intelligence somehow came into vogue and passed for in-depth analysis. Even that limit is now trending north to 280 characters, showing there is an overall demand for more detailed discussion and analysis. And to think ... your typical newspaper sports columnist would be counted on to crank out 20 inches of print content, 2-3 times a week, back in the day. I figure everyone else on here seems to be able to follow along just fine with my posts ... why not you?!?

Maybe it's that brain freeze thingie that hits you when you drink something cold too quickly? In your case, maybe from reading too many words too quickly??

Must suck to have to read ALL those words, ALL at once ... slowly realizing those words are exposing your inability to sell your latest line of BS. Sorry dude (?) ...
 
'Cats pull it together in the 3rd after a push from RPI...big night for Nick Ring with 4 points and 2 goals for Sam Oliver! Noticed Morgan Winters not on the ice? Nice to see fellow USCHO 'er Jim tonight!
Onto Union who's beating up on UMl...
 
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HockeyRef said:
'Cats pull it together in the 3rd after a push from RPI...big night for Nick Ring with 4 points and 2 goals for Sam Oliver! Noticed Morgan Winters not on the ice? Nice to see fellow USCHO 'er Jim tonight!
Onto Union who's beating up on UMl...
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Hoping that the Garnet Chargers expended all their electricity against the squawking Ospreys last night. Go for sweep Cats, as it has been a while.
 
Snively65 said:
Hoping that the Garnet Chargers expended all their electricity against the squawking Ospreys last night. Go for sweep Cats, as it has been a while.
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Some might even consider tonight's game a must-win proposition, if UNH is going to hope to generate some forward momentum ... 20 wins aren't just gonna happen with a long string of split weekends, are they, Snives?.
 
Long night ahead Im afraid...Fun fact their players who has 2 goals was a student of mine for his frosh year then he went to Tilton prep
In other news...guess Union isn't tired after last night.
Nice new arena and what an unfortunate goal just scored...bring in da Whale!!

Note...left at the beginning of the 3rd
 
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