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UNH- How Far West Do We Go?

I guess after 25 years of posting and following these boards the fog of war has set in. Maybe I'm confusing Bozo with the Pro from Dover. I think he is a Maniac living in hostile territory ovah in Dovah. But I could be wrong on that one too. As the saintly wife often says life can get messy at times🤣
"Fog of war" indeed, good call. The "Pro" is actually a BC fan, and the "Dover" he speaks of is the one down in Metrowest, not just over the line from Berwick.

I'll leave it at that, other than to say the Pro loved/loves Bobo, and detests me like no other. We have something in common, and it apparently irks him a lot. :ROFLMAO:
 
Love Seinfeld. Remember the episode when they couldn't find their car in a parking garage? Chuck will like this. I took my three sons to an Expos game in Montreal back in the day. The parking garage circumvents the stadium. I could not find my car after the game. We must have circled that stadium three times until I finally found it. Happy days🤣
IIRC a good chunk of the garage (if not the whole thing) was located under the stadium. I always struggled to find landmarks to lead me to my vehicle, which back in the day was almost always a weekend rental, so not quickly being able to recognize a familiar looking car didn't help in the search efforts. :ROFLMAO:

I have a great Vlad Guerrero Jr. story from back in the final years of Les Expos, too bad it's still not offseason and I could share here in good faith. Next summer!
 
I was wondering [maybe Dan] what's going on with Jack Sadowski?. Two years ago most were excited he committed to UNH and since then he's had some bad luck. He was traded a couple of weeks ago to Spruce Grove in the BCHL since then he hasn't played one game for them. Does anyone know if he's injured again? Hopefully things work out for the kid.
Careful, RB - I raised some of these same observations a few weeks ago, and potty got all hot & bothered about me "victimizing" a "kid". As opposed to just wondering aloud what had happened to Jack Jr. because he had been so hyped a couple of years ago. Huge fan of his dad centering Shipulski and Souza too.
 
Not sure who ever said Hemmingway, JVR, Pots, or Gildon were bad teammates. I have only said it once about Conmy which was told to me. There has been criticism of poor play but that it is not indicative or a synonym for bad teammate.
Let me step in here and offer some insight, balance and background ... Dan has a long-standing criticism of UNH fans who have "eaten our own" and started at the top of the food chain, by UNH posters targeting some of our best players historically. I'm not sure if those criticisms were for off-ice issues, or just whether they were playing up to expectations? And to a large degree, Dan has made a fair point here. If I'm being honest, I think there have been times that I've fallen into that same trap, although strictly for on-ice issues, simply because (with a slight exception for JvR) I never had the off-ice insight to go in that direction.

As to "Hemingway" ... I believe that's probably a reference to the younger (Brett) Hemingway, who came to the program shortly after his older brother Colin had starred for UNH during the tail end of the Golden Era (1998-2003) as Lanny Gare's linemate. Brett had a lot to live up to, following his brother's skates, and he was a decent player, but never quite as good as Colin was (FWIW I did meet CH a few times, great kid ... never met BH). IIRC Brett missed a tourney game once due to some vague illness, and there was rampant speculation about the nature of that "illness". Don't remember the details frankly, but it was message board fodder, and nothing definitive ever emerged. If it's another "Hemingway" reference, Dan can clear that up if I'm off base.

Personally, I had my fair share of critical remarks aimed at both JvR and Poturalski during their time in Durham. Nothing off the ice, and while I did have some credible inside info on JvR due to folks who were in school with him at the time, all reports were that he was (and I'm sure still is) a solid citizen who kept his nose clean, and was well liked by his teammates. I always felt he never fully applied himself to an all-around 200 foot game at UNH, and I'll stand by that. Maybe his #2 overall draft position gave a misleading read on expectations, in retrospect? A #2 overall pick at UNH was a novelty (still is), so some of that is on me. That he turned out to be an above-average NHL'er who never quite became an elite pro (no All-Star, no big world tourneys, no Cups, no captain lettering) to a degree arguably affirmed part of my analysis, but looking back, he was not a guy who prevented UNH from gaining greater glory.

I don't remember being particularly harsh on Poturalski until what turned out to be late in his UNH career, again nothing personal, but there were huge gaps in his game, and on what turned out to be the final weekend of his UNH career, I watched him in person at Merrimack just crumple when the team needed him to be at his all-around best. He was off to the pros shortly thereafter, and I was chafed at him leaving after only two seasons, and said so, all while airing him out for some of the stuff I was observing. While AP's issues were similar to JvR's, he didn't have the same raw talent to cover for those shortcomings, and (sadly) the rest is history, with him having a fantastic Haydar-like AHL career, but also having a minimal Haydar-like NHL career. FWIW, Poturalski's linemate was the undersized Tyler Kelleher, who was the most electric UNH player in the last decade-plus. He had issues too - mostly with his size, so not something he could correct - but I don't think he ever lacked for effort in trying to play and develop a 200 foot game. So in my mind, AP disappointed by comparison.

Gildon is a really good point by Dan, and I can vividly remember being somewhat critical of his judgment as a frosh defender, which cost UNH a game or two early in his career. Dan got into me (and others) for that criticism, and even back then, it caused me to pause and reassess. Gildon had fallen to UNH when Wisconsin (?) had cut him loose from his commitment, and he was a great early get for MS7. He was consistently the best player, by a large margin, on some really poor UNH teams, and he spent three years at UNH getting better, working on his craft, and keeping his nose clean. I never criticized him again, unless there was something obvious and/or catastrophic, and I don't know if that ever happened in his last 2.5 seasons in Durham??

So I think that puts some meat on the bones as far as where Dan's comments were directed at. The Gildon thing absolutely changed my approach. And if I still have less-than-complimentary postings on JvR (i.e. never quite lived up to the hype, here and after) or Poturalski (the penny never seemed to drop in hiis mind as to why he wasn't making the final big jump to the NHL), I'll stand behind those positions. Never said either guy was a bad guy, or unpopular in the room ...


If we are only allowed (waiting for Corky's rules that Chuck asked for) to talk about unicorns and roses, then why even bother with a message board.
Interesting that we haven't heard from Mr(s?). Personality since I made what seemed like a rational/reasonable request for him to clarify his "rules" :unsure::LOL:
 
I guess after 25 years of posting and following these boards the fog of war has set in. Maybe I'm confusing Bozo with the Pro from Dover. I think he is a Maniac living in hostile territory ovah in Dovah. But I could be wrong on that one too. As the saintly wife often says life can get messy at times🤣
TheProFromDover is BC alum. I've met him several times over the years,
 
Looks like JvR is getting ready to make his DRW/season debut in the coming days (possibly this afternoon) ...

 
IIRC a good chunk of the garage (if not the whole thing) was located under the stadium. I always struggled to find landmarks to lead me to my vehicle, which back in the day was almost always a weekend rental, so not quickly being able to recognize a familiar looking car didn't help in the search efforts. :ROFLMAO:

I have a great Vlad Guerrero Jr. story from back in the final years of Les Expos, too bad it's still not offseason and I could share here in good faith. Next summer!
Right. I was parked under the stadium. The game itself was uneventful with very few fans in the stadium. It was like an echo chamber.
 
Let me step in here and offer some insight, balance and background ... Dan has a long-standing criticism of UNH fans who have "eaten our own" and started at the top of the food chain, by UNH posters targeting some of our best players historically. I'm not sure if those criticisms were for off-ice issues, or just whether they were playing up to expectations? And to a large degree, Dan has made a fair point here. If I'm being honest, I think there have been times that I've fallen into that same trap, although strictly for on-ice issues, ...

I think there is a trap that longer time posters can fall into, we vividly remember 96-97 to 02-03, over those 7 season the winning was .715%.

Move some of these players JVR, Poturalski, Gildon, Kelleher (add in Conmy) into that window and I think you see completely different behaviors and hence observations.
1) These players would have been surrounded with far superior talent so they look better on the ice (more space, people to pass to), they are pushed more in practice and for ice time
2) Those better players likely allow better/firmer coaching
3) Every little mistake on the ice wouldn't be as glaring because the load was shared
4) Players wouldn't be pushed into situation too early, less learning on the job (also see 3)

As for Brett Hemingway I think he fits in an unfortunate special case. He wasn't the player at UNH his brother was he came up to speed faster but didn't end up with as high an end. (see Colin's ridiculous at the time goal against Providence behind his own back between his own legs.) While in college Colin had better wheels and better hands than is younger brother (and is honestly most remembered for his 66 pt Jr. season - with some forgotten regression numbers wise as a Sr.). I put Brett in the same category as BvR... neither had the same talent level as an older sibling(s) and were saddled with unfair expectations.
 
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I think there is a trap that longer time posters can fall into, we vividly remember 96-97 to 02-03, over those 7 season the winning was .715%.

Move some of these players JVR, Poturalski, Gildon, Kelleher (add in Conmy) into that window and I think you see completely different behaviors and hence observations.
1) These players would have been surrounded with far superior talent so they look better on the ice (more space, people to pass to), they are pushed more in practice and for ice time
2) Those better players likely allow better/firmer coaching
3) Every little mistake on the ice wouldn't be as glaring because the load was shared
4) Players wouldn't be pushed into situation too early, less learning on the job (also see 3)

As for Brett Hemingway I think he fits in an unfortunate special case. He wasn't the player at UNH his brother was he came up to speed faster but didn't end up with as high an end. (see Colin's ridiculous at the time goal against Providence behind his own back between his own legs.) While in college Colin had better wheels and better hands than is younger brother (and is honestly most remembered for his 66 pt Jr. season - with some forgotten regression numbers wise as a Sr.). I put Brett in the same category as BvR... neither had the same talent level as an older sibling(s) and were saddled with unfair expectations.

I think your first points are excellent.

Brett wasn’t Colin, that is true, and he resembles BVR in not matching an older brothers contribution. However, he was a much better player than the later…

Brett finished his UNH career with 61 goals and 134 points, with two 40+ point seasons. I think you could make the case he was an underrated Wildcat. Criticism of the younger Hemingway always centered around his skating style/ability - leading many to regularly question his effort (especially when he backed up and scored just 32 points as a SR). In reality it simply wasn’t the strongest part of his game, but he got himself in position to be dangerous…

For comparison, BVR had 44 points at UNH before transferring to Northeastern.
 
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I think your first points are excellent.

Brett wasn’t Colin, that is true, and he resembles BVR in not matching an older brothers contribution. However, he was a much better player than the later…

Brett finished his UNH career with 61 goals and 134 points, with two 40+ point seasons. I think you could make the case he was an underrated Wildcat. Criticism of the younger Hemingway always centered around his skating style/ability - leading many to regularly question his effort (especially when he backed up and scored just 32 points as a SR). In reality it simply wasn’t the strongest part of his game, but he got himself in position to be dangerous…

For comparison, BVR had 44 points at UNH before transferring to Northeastern.

I do agree the the B. Hemingway and BVR examples are on different ends of the scale. I just think at a 30,000 foot view, it was an expectation problem.

The memory of Colin might be a bit overrated off his Junior year. Colin had 66 points that year (33G - 33A) which is I am guessing is what people remember - it is what I do when I think Colin Hemingway.

Now a little more digging...

Career
GPGAPTSPTS/GM
Colin13967801471.05
Brett1506173134.893

Overall they are very similar players points wise. They both faded in points in there senior year compared to there junior year. Colin lost Haydar and Brett lost Winnik from those Junior year teams. The 2 senior year teams finished with similar records 28 vs 26 wins. Colin faded more than Brett, Just some light commentary on talent around them for junior vs senior.

Now take out each players best year... Colin's Junior year and Brett's Sophomore year

GPGAPTSPTS/GM
Colin99344781.818
Brett108395392.852

They end up being pretty similar players. The difference in games is really Brett coming up to speed faster and getting 12 extra as a Freshman.

Leaving us again to comparing Brett to his 66 point brother Colin. As it turns out Colin wasn't really 66 point Colin for his career at UNH.
 
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JvR notches his first DRW goal in his debut at Toronto ... Brandon Carlo gets turnstiled, then Morgan Rielly defends the wrong guy!

Winner winner, chicken dinner ... (y)

 
"Fog of war" indeed, good call. The "Pro" is actually a BC fan, and the "Dover" he speaks of is the one down in Metrowest, not just over the line from Berwick.

I'll leave it at that, other than to say the Pro loved/loves Bobo, and detests me like no other. We have something in common, and it apparently irks him a lot. :ROFLMAO:
Ah. Dovah Mass. Been there. Says it all about him. Probs a Libtard. Confused why he wud hate you and love Bozo. Just me I guess but if Bozo is a brother from another mother why would the Pro single you out for his ire?
 
Career
GPGAPTSPTS/GM
Colin13967801471.05
Brett1506173134.893

GPGAPTSPTS/GM
Colin99344781.818
Brett108395392.852

They end up being pretty similar players. The difference in games is really Brett coming up to speed faster and getting 12 extra as a Freshman.

Leaving us again to comparing Brett to his 66 point brother Colin. As it turns out Colin wasn't really 66 point Colin for his career at UNH.

It was surprising, while putting together my first post, to see that Colin finished with ‘only’ 143 total points. I probably would have guessed 20-30 more…

Taking a look at the stats from his FR season I’d guess a bit of Dick Umile upper class bias might have been at play. Id prefer C. Hemingway over a lot of the ‘every night’ / top-nine F’s on that team…

When he finally got top-line run Colin had the top two scoring seasons (out of the brothers eight) and was just three points shy of two 50+ campaigns. I definitely did not recall his slower rise to that position…

Makes Brett feel even more underrated. And in defense of his senior step back, I believe he not only lost Winnik to graduation but Micflikier as a line mate when Trevor Smith emerged as the teams top scoring option…
 
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