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UNH- How Far West Do We Go?

Good read by Cinnamoroll

I love Cinnamoroll's passion. He's the new Chris Heisenberg? Kinda hope C. Heisenberg keeps his passion and chugs ahead with the recruiting rankings and reports. Both are real assets to college hockey fans.
 
Ok, its a bit off topic but these guys can put the playlist together for my next cookout shindig.

Not sure I would have guessed this list but when I think about it for a minute -- based on what I see at some of these shows -- it kinda makes sense...

"Fav Musicians" From Bios:

Coombs = Jason Aldean
Philbrick + LeClerc + Chauvette = Morgan Wallen
MacPherson + Cronin + Player = Zach Bryan
DeTurris = Chris Stapleton
Plandowski = Luke Combs
Winters = Kane Brown
Whale + MacDonald = Red Hot Chile Peppers
Oliver = Red Clay Strays
Newcombe = Randy Travis
DeAngelis = Treaty Oak Revival
 
Sizing up the Hockey East opposition - what teams do you like/admire (after UNH), openly or secretly dislike, and who just merely exist (meh) in your universe ...

... and I'll start, just to get the competitive juices flowing, since our thread seems comatose as the season approaches!

Boston College: Given our past history, surprisingly meh. Annoying alums got fat & happy in the York Era; has Brown cloned Lenny Ceglarski?
Boston University: Used to admire under Parker. Just as BC has risen to meh, BU has likewise slipped to meh. Great rink, but really bad politics
UConn: UConn Hockey is the walking talking definition of meh, with the exception of one person. As long as he steals a living in Storrs, detest
UMass Amherst: Pretty meh as well. Never even detested them when they won their D-1 title, barring minor jealousy that's long since passed
UMass Lowell: Still kinda like Uncle Normie, admire what he's done, even if his career path is scarily quite similar to a condensed Umile path
Merrimack: The program everyone looks at first when HEA contraction is brought up, so they stay, and I kinda like Scotty Borek's revenge vibe
UMaine: Everything here should scream detest - no, DETEST - but then they nail the HC hiring process once a generation, great fan base, like
Northeastern: My long-time fave "Boston" program, but when Mathews Arena is gone, NU looks like BU without The Charles. Slipping to meh
Providence: Another one that defies logic. Love the city, don't dislike Leaman, but got a fortunate NC (thanks BU) and Umile didn't. Bitter meh
Vermont: Like Providence, Burlington is one of my favorite New England cities. UVM Hockey though ... why do they even bother?? Super meh

Programs I wouldn't mind joining Hockey East to round things back out to 12? Bentley, RIT, RPI, Holy Cross ... longshots SNHU and St. Anselm's,
 
First of all hopefully everyone had a fantastic summer. This isn't hockey related but I was scrolling today and this is interesting, The old saying the coach matters in this case is true. UNH mens soccer is 0-4-3 to start the season. On the other hand North Carolina St is 6-0-1 and ranked second in the country. Guess they f**cked up.:unsure:
Interesting small scale case study here.

Facilities - slow improvements, and still improvements and commitment to continue to improve
  • COMPLETED - 2018-19 Tucker field with state-of-the-art synthetic turf field ($1.8M philanthropically funded)
  • COMPLETED - In 2024, the university completed construction on new locker rooms for the soccer teams. The facility provides dedicated spaces for men's and women's soccer, coaches' offices, and a player lounge/study area.
  • PLANNED - Installation of lighting, March 2024, the university received a $2 million pledge
  • PLANNED - 2,000-person grandstand for seating, a press box, and covered team benches
Coach - maybe winter was a thing of the past or maybe it was just about the cash
  • Old Coach WINNING
  • New Coach NOT SO MUCH WINNING
Clearly it was all about the everything but the coach. The coach had limited impact... (I think like the team across the street or the one 200 miles northeast it is about having the dynamic coach)

P.S, sorry, clearly I have been under a rock (doing other things) and just catching up
 
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Ok, its a bit off topic but these guys can put the playlist together for my next cookout shindig.

Not sure I would have guessed this list but when I think about it for a minute -- based on what I see at some of these shows -- it kinda makes sense...

"Fav Musicians" From Bios:

Coombs = Jason Aldean
Philbrick + LeClerc + Chauvette = Morgan Wallen
MacPherson + Cronin + Player = Zach Bryan
DeTurris = Chris Stapleton
Plandowski = Luke Combs
Winters = Kane Brown
Whale + MacDonald = Red Hot Chile Peppers
Oliver = Red Clay Strays
Newcombe = Randy Travis
DeAngelis = Treaty Oak Revival
Lots of "Country" (some is really southern rock) on that list
 
Mike McMahon received a question in the mailbag section of his podcast last week about whether "UNH should fire Souza if they finish < .500." Talks about the topic for about 10 mins starting at 27 min mark.

 
Mike McMahon received a question in the mailbag section of his podcast last week about whether "UNH should fire Souza if they finish < .500." Talks about the topic for about 10 mins starting at 27 min mark.

First of all, thanks for sharing 2013. Had some time to listen to the entire podcast, and in summary, to be kind, I am less than impressed.

Now to the issue of "the Souza question", I took away from the *discussion* two things: one, McMahon is like almost every other college sports guy, where he simply will not ever call for a head coach's ouster, barring the most blatantly obvious circumstances. He is more interested in being the so-called "insider" than he is in saying anything cutting edge or daring. Ultimately, the question that got put to him - and as pointed out elsewhere, he has already predicted UNH for an 11th (last) place finish - is whether a sub .500 record this year should cost MS7 his job? He spends the next almost 10 minutes bobbing and weaving about how UNH could finish last and still finish strong enough to justify Souza and his guys doing well enough to return. Ultimately, his kid throws him under the bus when he said his dad really didn't answer the question. There is some back-and-forth ribbing, after which his kid relents and lets his dad off the hook, on threat of not being allowed to do future pods. LOL kinda ... but go ahead and listen if you must, and then tell me if you think the kid wasn't right in the first place (IMO he was).

Two, for a guy who claims to be a college hockey insider, and charges folks for his knowledge and opinions ... he was woefully underinformed about recent UNH Men's Hockey history. Describes the collapse of UNH Hockey as a "falling off a cliff" situation, and says Coach Umile didn't all of a sudden forget how to coach. First, the UNH program had gradually eroded year-after-year once it had peaked circa 2003, and by the time UNH got to Umile's "long goodbye" they were on the precipice already, having long ago seen their best days. Valued assistants had left, and once Borek was cleared out to make way for the Stewart and then Souza, the connection with the decent tourney-level teams that followed the Frozen Four era teams was put asunder, and had yet to be replaced. Guys like Watcher saw this coming in advance, and knew what was coming. Most of the rest of us hoped for the best, which never came. But McMahon goes right past the blindingly obvious coaching deterioration, and adopts the "school isn't doing enough to support the program" mantra. He also tries to make the same point about UMaine pre-Barr, yet overlooks the fact that Barr had already turned UMaine around before the Alfonds arrived late to the game (now).

The Souza bit was at best a lazy take; at worst, it was all an underinformed waste of 45+ minutes I'll never get back. Has he always done the podcast with his kid?

The Souza question was/still is a legitimate question, not something that should conclude with a noncommittal conclusion of "it depends". If you think UNH is a last place team (again), and your only thought is, well, if they finish strong, it should be enough - without even looking at the reality of UNH's schedule, which stacks the toughest games up at the end of the season - then you're just going thru the motions, and you don't think Souza is good enough regardless, even if you won't come out and say it. Lacking a legit counterpoint in that discussion shortchanges the issue, and gives away the "I'm friends with everyone" game. Intellectually dishonest.

JMHO
 
Mike McMahon received a question in the mailbag section of his podcast last week about whether "UNH should fire Souza if they finish < .500." Talks about the topic for about 10 mins starting at 27 min mark.

McMahon was a bit too wordy in his discussion (btw, why not prepare for the podcast instead of winging it?) but he made a few things quite clear. First, UNH is going to have a tough year primarily due to putting 5 first year blue liners in the lineup. Therefore, Souza's coaching needs to be judged based upon the improvement of the inexperienced players in the second half of the season. Seems like a reasonable position. Second, UNH's lack of institutional support of the hockey program makes a Mike Souza job evaluation difficult.

He referenced the Conmy transfer and said that while NIL likely played a roll (he didn't know if Conmy is being paid but guessed so), BC's training facilities undoubtedly did. McMahon expanded by noting how Providence's program improved greatly under Leaman due in part to a large influx of money for program upgrades. Of course he discussed Leaman's coaching excellence, too. He also noted how Maine hockey was "counting every penny" until Alfond stepped in. Indeed, in the recent past Maine recruiters couldn't scout western Canada due to travel costs and needed to find roomates to cut lodging costs at showcase events.

He said that hockey training facilities a/k/a back of the house facilities are key to the success of programs - even more so than front of the house (presumably scoreboard, arena size, etc..) Apparently, player lounges, weight rooms, nutrition and support staff are vital to top shelf talent. I expect that Scott, Buford aka Chuck Murray, and JB a/k/a Elwood will inundate McMahon with abusive DM's claiming that he is using college hockey as a metaphor for a tax and spend liberal poltiical agenda. I invite McMahon to DM me to commiserate.

Those that believe McMahon realize that UNH is far behind other programs when it comes to things top talent considers vital. McMahon's point is that taking it out on Mike Souza MAY be unfair, althought he didn't rule out Souza being a problem.
 
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I took away from the *discussion* two things: one, McMahon is like almost every other college sports guy, where he simply will not ever call for a head coach's ouster, barring the most blatantly obvious circumstances.
Oh Buford, ad hominem attacks on McMahon are the product of your lazy and bias mindset. You are a bias fan of a program that essentially no longer exists relative to the competition. You still want the present program to be the UNH programs of the late 70s and 1995-2010.

he was woefully underinformed about recent UNH Men's Hockey history. Describes the collapse of UNH Hockey as a "falling off a cliff" situation, and says Coach Umile didn't all of a sudden forget how to coach.
He was discussing NCAA tourney appearances. That's how most programs are judged from a national perspective. UNH hockey did fall off a cliff from this perspective. You simply were not able to understand the context of McMahon's point. I am not the least bit surprised that you would not be able to follow his point. It's called logical reasoning.

But McMahon goes right past the blindingly obvious coaching deterioration, and adopts the "school isn't doing enough to support the program" mantra.
Oh, but he didn't. Not at all. He actually presented a very reasonable explanation for why it's so difficult to evaluate coaches in underfunded programs at schools not committed to college hockey excellence. Once again, it required listening, thinking and following a logical, rationale but somewhat nuanced argument. You do not have the intellectual capacity to do that.

Ultimately, his kid throws him under the bus when he said his dad really didn't answer the question. There is some back-and-forth ribbing, after which his kid relents and lets his dad off the hook, on threat of not being allowed to do future pods. LOL kinda ... but go ahead and listen if you must, and then tell me if you think the kid wasn't right in the first place (IMO he was)
NOBODY who has read your nonsense is surprised that you would have a better understanding of a child's reasoning than the father's. Do not be offended or defensive about this. It is completely consistent with your demonstrated intelligence.

The Souza bit was at best a lazy take; at worst, it was all an underinformed waste of 45+ minutes I'll never get back. Has he always done the podcast with his kid?
The UNH discussion was actually about 10 minutes. It began at minute 27.
 
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What should my expectations be this year? I have them low with MS7 in charge.
My heart wants to be optimistic, BB ... but my head says, nothing is likely to change radically any time soon. Precisely because MS7 hasn't shown he can coach to a level that develops individual players, and likewise cannot improve his teams on a year-to--year basis. Bottom of the league finishes haven't happened by accident.
 
Anyone else notice how potty went from criticizing MM for being underprepared and "winging it" (agree 100% BTW - mark that down for posterity), to then defending his half-baked takes and opinions to the hilt one post later?? Yeah, me too. Jeez, I wonder why (aren't you getting tired of this potty?) ... :unsure::ROFLMAO:
 
Oh Buford, ad hominem attacks on McMahon are the product of your lazy and bias mindset. You are a bias fan of a program that essentially no longer exists relative to the competition. You still want the present program to be the UNH programs of the late 70s and 1995-2010.
Have you been smoking rope, or just chasing parked cars, potty?!? You and I agreed his podcast was unprepared and he was just "winging it". But I am "lazy and bias" (??) for calling him out on it?!? If I'm "bias" ... I'm awfully critical of the program I'm rooting for. I believe the correct word is objective. You're welcome ...
He was discussing NCAA tourney appearances. That's how most programs are judged from a national perspective. UNH hockey did fall off a cliff from this perspective. You simply were not able to understand the context of McMahon's point. I am not the least bit surprised that you would not be able to follow his point. It's called logical reasoning.
Wrong. NCAA-wise, UNH went from being perennial, to deep run perennial (1998-2003), back to perennial, then to frequent, then less frequent, and then to zip. Anyone who has even casually followed the UNH program has always described the downturn as gradual, almost like the lobster who finds the very cool water in the lobster pot being gradually increased to tepid to warm to hot to boiling. Except in reverse. But please, do continue ...
Oh, but he didn't. Not at all. He actually presented a very reasonable explanation for why it's so difficult to evaluate coaches in underfunded programs at schools not committed to college hockey excellence. Once again, it required listening, thinking and following a logical, rationale but somewhat nuanced argument. You do not have the intellectual capacity to do that.
The underfunded program that has built a new jumbotron, embarked on the white whale of "Shrink The Rink", and is on the precipice of sinking even more money into the behind the scenes bells & whistles to support a HC who has still yet to prove himself at the D-1 level? All while ticket sales continue to be at or near the top of the league, ensuring that revenue - while not what it once was - is hardly an excuse for the consistent bottom of the league finishes?!?
NOBODY who has read your nonsense is surprised that you would have a better understanding of a child's reasoning than the father's. Do not be offended or defensive about this. It is completely consistent with your demonstrated intelligence.
I think anyone who listens to MM's underinformed pseudo-analysis of Souza's UNH situation for 10 minutes would be hard pressed not to agree with his kid.
The UNH discussion was actually about 10 minutes. It began at minute 27.
The whole podcast was unimpressive, I thought you were in agreement on that? 213 gave MM a free trial basis for folks to sign onto his pay for play services, I'm guessing neither one of us will be signing on for more, unless you've changed your mind in the last 5 hours ...
 
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