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UNH- How Far West Do We Go?

grooverider said:
The coach you speak of is gone
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Holy crap, he is ... and replaced by a former NCAA D-1 champion head coach (Bennett). Kudos to Barr, this is what building a perennial powerhouse looks like.

Looks like Fortier just left after his 4 year stint, isn't coaching anywhere else. Maybe he's decided to get healthy first? Any insights, groovy??
 
Chuck Murray said:
Projection is the best irony. Listen, you left before, got angry and blamed me for your timidity/shortcomings, and now you're back. Why, I have no idea ... and the most ironic bit is, if you truly asked yourself why you decided to limp back a second time (at least?), I'm not sure you know, either. Probably misplaced pride.

You're a small person with an agenda, and your little "I'm gonna stick it to the man" routine here is beyond pathetic, and trending down.

Just take the L and go away, as you promised. Grow some dignity.
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Buford: I didn’t go anywhere. I have a life. You live and breath this board, which explains why you think this is a hand picked club. You need to go on hiatus. Trust me I have the DMs that prove there are other posters that agree.

Just go away. You are a loser that needs to leave this Board alone. Time to go.
 
Snively65 said:
Good clubhouse guy?
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I sure do hope so, Snives. I've always thought to wear a C, the threshold for any player would be someone who you could bank on to play significant minutes in every single game your team plays, and someone who was at least in the discussion as one of the top half-dozen players on their team. I'm not sure Winters quite gets there on either front, but he did show promise as a soph before going through a tough year last season. I'm not sure who makes the selections - the coach or the players - but as norbie often says, maybe we can ask that one at the coaches' next open Q&A session? If he has a productive season this coming season, like Cronin had last season after dipping precipitously in the middle of his career - it will all make sense. Keep in mind, MS7 was "in the room" in the first year of his apprenticeship when UNH catastrophically botched its captaincy decisions in early '15. So "MacDonald 2.0" is probably unfair for now. I'll go back to "wait & see".

But I am quite surprised there is no representation in the designated 4 player leadership team for any of the older Canadian junior players. You would like to think this older group - average age 23+ as they hit the ice this Fall - has one or two leader types in their midst, and if so, it might make sense as a motivator to include the leading light(s) as one of the 3 A's? That all 4 designated players are returning players leads me to believe that either Souza himself made the picks, or he restricted any player voting to only returning players. Souza is one of the very few who has seen this group in action together, so I'm not gonna say he isn't vastly more informed to make these decisions than any of us. Whether he gets them right, of course, is an entirely different story. Stay tuned.

Plus, now there is the quality of loyalty to be considered ... and Souza likely values these 4 players for their loyalty, especially in light of what happened with Conmy in the offseason. The Canadian kids will have to establish their loyalties this season, if indeed that is gonna be an MS7 leadership marker? That's just a guess on my part, but it seems to be an underemphasized trait to value, when not so long ago, player portability wasn't such a big deal/integral part of the program building process.
 
Potluck said:
I didn’t go anywhere.
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It's pretty clear you've posted on her using a different name/ID in the past, and you left, presumably at least in part due to feeling crowded out by folks like me (if not only me?). You won't say who you were, so how long you were away, I have no idea. Nor do I care. Then you posted your ultimatum to the UNH board, which was to pick between either you or me. I never made it an issue, never "campaigned", and yet you never got a single vote, so you again went quiet for a few days/weeks, promising only to check in once in awhile. Despite the lack of any apparent groundswell of support, you are nonetheless back again ...

Potluck said:
I have a life.
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... not sure your actions (mindlessly/exclusively harassing me and a few others who push back on you) are proving your assertion, but OK, run with that ...
Potluck said:
You live and breath this board, which explains why you think this is a hand picked club.
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... y'see, at a much earlier age, I was a MUCH bigger participant on these boards, and I did know a lot more of the posters back then. But since the traffic on these boards has decreased, interest in the UNH program has tanked, and more than a few old-timers have either lost interest or lost their lives, my role on here has scaled back. USCHO is only a small part of what I would consider a pretty active, well-rounded life, and I just happen to be a super loyal follower of the teams/programs I started following when I was much younger. Bad luck for you I guess, I'm not some bandwagon sort who changes teams/programs on a whim, because said team/program is bottoming out.

Otherwise, the idea that you think I consider this a "hand picked club" (??) - something you've mentioned more than once - is really puzzling. As if I control who posts and who doesn't post?? Wow, super powahs, a modern day "Fathah Monan" type lol. No, d!psh!t, folks who come on here and engage in back & forth, they're bringing their own stuff, and I welcome it. It's fun to discuss and debate, and funny enough, I've always had this crazy idea that boards like USCHO are designed to encourage discussion and debate. And with discussion and debate, sometimes comes disagreement. Most seem to take it all in stride ... others (present company certainly included) go beyond agreeing to disagree and take stuff personally. That's on you. If you think the ability to engage in civil discussion and debate with a wide swath of well-adjusted folks makes us all a "hand picked club", again ... that's on you. Feels like jealousy?

Final point in this weird detour in your lively imagination ... maybe it feels like a "hand picked club" if you position yourself as an outsider, but it really isn't. These days, among the frequent USCHO posters, I've only met a few in person. One of them (name omitted) is someone you might think I've known on an in person basis for decades, yet we met less than a year ago for the first time. But if you're genuine, and you build your relationships with care and respect, it feels like you've known someone forever. And if you're petty, or jealous, that can turn to being resentful pretty quickly, as it apparently has with you ...
Potluck said:
You need to go on hiatus. Trust me I have the DMs that prove there are other posters that agree.
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From your lips to God's ear, I suppose. SPOILER ALERT - not going anywhere, no matter the ID, volume or content of your precious DM's. Go do one.

Quick question though: how do you think your DM crew feels whenever you try to throw that in my face? Do you think it makes them happy that you are "weaponizing" (lol) their past trust in you? Has it crossed your feeble mind that perhaps, just maybe ... one or more of your DM crew told you something to just make you happy? I mean, you basically polling the audience via DM's, that's a little Mean Girls, isn't it?? In their defense, some folks are just plain people pleasers, y'know? And as most folks have found out in the past ... if you disagree with me in good faith, avoid the name calling, and we agree to disagree, I'm not holding silly a$$ grudges. Win some, lose some. In most cases, my respect for such posters grows exponentially.

So I'd hope anyone facing the choice of either telling me I'm a gasbag and why I'm wrong, OR staying quiet and sharing it on the QT via DM, please take the direct route. You'll live, and better yet, you'll respect yourself in the morning. Or you can play passive aggressive pu$$y games with potty, who will threaten to out you.

Potluck said:
Just go away. You are a loser that needs to leave this Board alone. Time to go.
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Take your own advice, beta boy (?). Quite frankly, I couldn't have put it any better or more succinctly than you ...
 
Chuck Murray said:
Colin MacDonald 2.0?? Seems a most curious choice, especially with so much on the line for MS7. Wanna give this a little more thought ...
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Morgan is a great kid. I have talked to him a lot over the last 3 years outside of hockey. The concern is not on his ability to lead, it is the ability to stay healthy. I am not in the weeds of the locker room so there could be a lot more to this, but from what I know it is not he direction I thought.

I guess at the first STH Q&A with MS7 I can ask the question..... Oh wait.
 
norbert said:
Morgan is a great kid. I have talked to him a lot over the last 3 years outside of hockey. The concern is not on his ability to lead, it is the ability to stay healthy. I am not in the weeds of the locker room so there could be a lot more to this, but from what I know it is not he direction I thought.

I guess at the first STH Q&A with MS7 I can ask the question..... Oh wait.
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I agree that staying healthy is the more important factor for Winters, as his stats were decent at 10 goals and 22 points when he played 33 games his second year. But even if he misses a lot of games like he did his first third years, there will be three assistant captains who can take his place in listening to the refs yap at center ice during reviews, etc. Just realized that one of those assistant captains stands to become the team’s first 100-point guy since TyK. Cy Leclerc has tallied 31 goals and 76 points in 104 games over his first three seasons.

Going back to Chuck’s post with the suggestion that Winters may be MacDonald 2.0 from 2015/16 season, consider that Collin got injured in each of his three seasons and tallied just 5 goals and 10 points over 51 games (compared to Winters with 16 goals and 40 points over 79 games during his first three seasons). Let us hope that Winters does not suffer the same fate as MacDonald during his fourth year when he scored just one goal and zero assists over 19 games before yet another injury ended his collegiate career.

There is another similarity between the two rosters in 2015/16 and 2025/26 in that there were only four seniors on the two teams, with Dan Correale, Maxim Gaudreault, and Harry Quast joining MacDonald on the earlier team. The key player on that team, of course, was junior Tyler Kelleher, who was the main reason that I attended any home games in person that season, back when our sheet was still big and TyK alone was worth the price of admission.

So, here is my trivia question: who were Collin MacDonald’s two teammates on the New Jersey Hitmen’s blue line during the 2014/15 season who went on to successful NHL careers?
 
Snively65 said:
Yup, bingo! After four seasons at Quinnipiac, Connor Clifton played four seasons with the Bruins before moving west.

I am still predicting 20 wins for Cats regardless who is captain. 🙂
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On further consideration, the Winters selection as C reminds me a little bit of Rob Chebator, a steady two-way bottom six forward who was designated as the C for the '93/'94 Cats relatively early in the Umile Era. He was an ever-present guy among a raft of less well-rounded players, and will forever hold the distinction of being the final UNH player to ever wear the C at ol' lively Snively Arena. Hard to believe 30+ years have passed between now and then ...
 
Chuck Murray said:
It's pretty clear you've posted on her using a different name/ID in the past, and you left, presumably at least in part due to feeling crowded out by folks like me (if not only me?). You won't say who you were, so how long you were away, I have no idea. Nor do I care. Then you posted your ultimatum to the UNH board, which was to pick between either you or me. I never made it an issue, never "campaigned", and yet you never got a single vote, so you again went quiet for a few days/weeks, promising only to check in once in awhile. Despite the lack of any apparent groundswell of support, you are nonetheless back again ...


... not sure your actions (mindlessly/exclusively harassing me and a few others who push back on you) are proving your assertion, but OK, run with that ...

... y'see, at a much earlier age, I was a MUCH bigger participant on these boards, and I did know a lot more of the posters back then. But since the traffic on these boards has decreased, interest in the UNH program has tanked, and more than a few old-timers have either lost interest or lost their lives, my role on here has scaled back. USCHO is only a small part of what I would consider a pretty active, well-rounded life, and I just happen to be a super loyal follower of the teams/programs I started following when I was much younger. Bad luck for you I guess, I'm not some bandwagon sort who changes teams/programs on a whim, because said team/program is bottoming out.

Otherwise, the idea that you think I consider this a "hand picked club" (??) - something you've mentioned more than once - is really puzzling. As if I control who posts and who doesn't post?? Wow, super powahs, a modern day "Fathah Monan" type lol. No, d!psh!t, folks who come on here and engage in back & forth, they're bringing their own stuff, and I welcome it. It's fun to discuss and debate, and funny enough, I've always had this crazy idea that boards like USCHO are designed to encourage discussion and debate. And with discussion and debate, sometimes comes disagreement. Most seem to take it all in stride ... others (present company certainly included) go beyond agreeing to disagree and take stuff personally. That's on you. If you think the ability to engage in civil discussion and debate with a wide swath of well-adjusted folks makes us all a "hand picked club", again ... that's on you. Feels like jealousy?

Final point in this weird detour in your lively imagination ... maybe it feels like a "hand picked club" if you position yourself as an outsider, but it really isn't. These days, among the frequent USCHO posters, I've only met a few in person. One of them (name omitted) is someone you might think I've known on an in person basis for decades, yet we met less than a year ago for the first time. But if you're genuine, and you build your relationships with care and respect, it feels like you've known someone forever. And if you're petty, or jealous, that can turn to being resentful pretty quickly, as it apparently has with you ...

From your lips to God's ear, I suppose. SPOILER ALERT - not going anywhere, no matter the ID, volume or content of your precious DM's. Go do one.

Quick question though: how do you think your DM crew feels whenever you try to throw that in my face? Do you think it makes them happy that you are "weaponizing" (lol) their past trust in you? Has it crossed your feeble mind that perhaps, just maybe ... one or more of your DM crew told you something to just make you happy? I mean, you basically polling the audience via DM's, that's a little Mean Girls, isn't it?? In their defense, some folks are just plain people pleasers, y'know? And as most folks have found out in the past ... if you disagree with me in good faith, avoid the name calling, and we agree to disagree, I'm not holding silly a$$ grudges. Win some, lose some. In most cases, my respect for such posters grows exponentially.

So I'd hope anyone facing the choice of either telling me I'm a gasbag and why I'm wrong, OR staying quiet and sharing it on the QT via DM, please take the direct route. You'll live, and better yet, you'll respect yourself in the morning. Or you can play passive aggressive pu$$y games with potty, who will threaten to out you.


Take your own advice, beta boy (?). Quite frankly, I couldn't have put it any better or more succinctly than you ...
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Well, we all know what you spent Saturday morning doing! BTW, you forgot to use italics.
 
Chuck Murray said:
On further consideration, the Winters selection as C reminds me a little bit of Rob Chebator, a steady two-way bottom six forward who was designated as the C for the '93/'94 Cats relatively early in the Umile Era. He was an ever-present guy among a raft of less well-rounded players, and will forever hold the distinction of being the final UNH player to ever wear the C at ol' lively Snively Arena. Hard to believe 30+ years have passed between now and then ...
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Wow, there is a name that I had forgotten. Now, please do not tell me that Chebator got an assist on Bogie’s last goal scored at Snively. With 16 goals and 42 points over his four years, he could be a third liner on today’s UNH teams. Also impressive were his 156 penalty minutes; seems that I should have remembered him for that stat.
 
Snively65 said:
Wow, there is a name that I had forgotten. Now, please do not tell me that Chebator got an assist on Bogie’s last goal scored at Snively. With 16 goals and 42 points over his four years, he could be a third liner on today’s UNH teams. Also impressive were his 156 penalty minutes; seems that I should have remembered him for that stat.
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Different game back in those days, as you know. Penalties and special teams play seemed way more frequent and relevant.

Someone's gotta dig up the video and/or boxscore for that Snively finale. I'm 99.9% sure Chebator wasn't involved in the GWG; I'll go to my grave thinking Tim Murray notched the primary assist otherwise ... but I do vividly recall Bob Norton's kid (Pat?) scored his only career D-1 goal for UNH earlier on a deflection off his gluteus maximus (for our fans of italics). I'm also pretty sure Eric Royal (The Pride of Rochester, before CDS took that honor away) tickled the twine, as part of the spirited Wildcats' comeback. I had to look it up, but little CDS wasn't even 3 years old when that landmark game happened. Those were fun teams ...
 
Chuck Murray said:
Different game back in those days, as you know. Penalties and special teams play seemed way more frequent and relevant.

Someone's gotta dig up the video and/or boxscore for that Snively finale. I'm 99.9% sure Chebator wasn't involved in the GWG; I'll go to my grave thinking Tim Murray notched the primary assist otherwise ... but I do vividly recall Bob Norton's kid (Pat?) scored his only career D-1 goal for UNH earlier on a deflection off his gluteus maximus (for our fans of italics). I'm also pretty sure Eric Royal (The Pride of Rochester, before CDS took that honor away) tickled the twine, as part of the spirited Wildcats' comeback. I had to look it up, but little CDS wasn't even 3 years old when that landmark game happened. Those were fun teams ...
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For sure, different times then. We scored 159 goals and gave up 240 in 40 games in the 1993/94 season. Nine UNH players scored double-digit goals. Scott Malone racked up 162 pen mins in 40 games during the 1993/94 season, of the team’s 808 total, so over 20 pen mins per game.
 
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Snively65 said:
Yup, bingo! After four seasons at Quinnipiac, Connor Clifton played four seasons with the Bruins before moving west.

I am still predicting 20 wins for Cats regardless who is captain. 🙂
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I want to clarify that I do not oppose Morgan as Captain. I just figured Marty would get it. I've been pretty consistent in predicting who's gonna get the C. Prob the only
real contribution I ever make on this forum LOL....Anyway...bring on the 20 W's!!! Let's Goooo 'Cattttssss!
 
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