UNH Hockey: Where Do We Go From Here....

[JB]

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Re global supply chain...

Peak of American manufacturing jobs was 1979. We haven't hit a peak of American manufacturing output, it is still going up. I work at a company that has been in sourcing since 2012/2013. Built a foundry in the US, BUT we aren't adding that many jobs. Wages in China are actually high been 20% wage inflation per year for more than a decade... So automate here or automate there, we choose here.

Problem the US has right now the Chinese are better (manufacturing) capitalist. Little manufacturing companies spring up, scratch & claw, make something and then figure out how to grow.

P.S. I am a libraterian, I believe in small government and freedom. I also believe in educating yourself and then using your brain. Turns out my life has been moderately (at best) inconvenienced by being smart about Covid-19... I find the indignation about being smart entertaining... During the London Blitz the British were smart to inconvenience themselves...

 

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Re global supply chain...

Peak of American manufacturing jobs was 1979. We haven't hit a peak of American manufacturing output, it is still going up. I work at a company that has been in sourcing since 2012/2013. Built a foundry in the US, BUT we aren't adding that many jobs. Wages in China are actually high been 20% wage inflation per year for more than a decade... So automate here or automate there, we choose here.

Problem the US has right now the Chinese are better (manufacturing) capitalist. Little manufacturing companies spring up, scratch & claw, make something and then figure out how to grow.

P.S. I am a libraterian, I believe in small government and freedom. I also believe in educating yourself and then using your brain. Turns out my life has been moderately (at best) inconvenienced by being smart about Covid-19... I find the indignation about being smart entertaining... During the London Blitz the British were smart to inconvenience themselves...

I source product both domestically and internationally. I have been going to China since 1992 and have made over 50 trips. All companies in China are under strict government control. They tell you what you can make, when and how much of it. You want to start a company? All banks are owned by the gov’t so a loan will come with a price. Also, best be connected to a member of the “party”. To say they are more capitalist is simply not true. Opportunists? Yes. They steal intellectual property and patents. They do not create them.

 

[JB]

I source product both domestically and internationally. I have been going to China since 1992 and have made over 50 trips. All companies in China are under strict government control. They tell you what you can make and how much of it. You want to start a company? All banks are owned by the gov’t so a loan will come with a price. Also, best be connected to a member of the “party”. To say they are more capitalist is simply not true. They steal intellectual property and patents. They do not create them.

I have been multiple times as well. Some of the IP theft depends on the industry, and there is plenty of IP theft elsewhere. Yes everything in China is under some level of government control. Capitalist want to work hard to build something they own to fill a need. Well these owners are building business they own to fill needs and working extremely hard. People costs go up they figure out how to automate. China is not Soviet style central manufacturing and production control. I don't like the government structure either or that they are master copiers, that doesn't mean these business owners aren't capitalist.

 

[Chuck Murray]

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Re global supply chain...

Peak of American manufacturing jobs was 1979. We haven't hit a peak of American manufacturing output, it is still going up. I work at a company that has been in sourcing since 2012/2013. Built a foundry in the US, BUT we aren't adding that many jobs. Wages in China are actually high been 20% wage inflation per year for more than a decade... So automate here or automate there, we choose here.

Fantastic. Hopefully more companies will follow this path going forwards. Don't see how we can justify continuing down the path of putting huge, key chunks of our supply chain under the control of those who wish to do us harm, as pointed out as follows ...

I source product both domestically and internationally. I have been going to China since 1992 and have made over 50 trips. All companies in China are under strict government control. They tell you what you can make, when and how much of it. You want to start a company? All banks are owned by the gov’t so a loan will come with a price. Also, best be connected to a member of the “party”. To say they are more capitalist is simply not true. Opportunists? Yes. They steal intellectual property and patents. They do not create them.

Bingo. This is not how business partners interact with each other.

We've been fed a fallacy of "this will force China to become more free and capitalist" for far too long, and with administrations on both sides of the aisle, until now. The Hong Kong riots were an ominous foreshadowing of what has since followed. And to their eternal shame, the NBA and far too many other corporate entities still crawl into bed regularly as Chi-con apologists.

If China was ever going to transform into a good, mutually beneficial actor on the world stage, on its own volition, it would have happened already. It hasn't. So it's time to provide the further incentives to bring business back to the US. Puerto Rico used to do significant manufacturing in the pharmaceutical industry. They are begging for a chance to become a relevant part of the US again. Why not rebuild that infrastructure where there is some legacy, and get us out from under the control of those who would harm us? Not going to happen overnight, but a win-win situation, no??

I'll check back after the weekend, guys. Much life is left to be lived, I was pleasantly surprised tonight about the general spirit of folks wanting to get out and socialize at restaurants and bars. On the flip side, some ongoing abhorrent panic-stricken behavior at local supermarkets, but when the MSM bombards you 24/7/365 with Doomsday Part 876, it's hard to not let it affect your behavior.

 

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I have been multiple times as well. Some of the IP theft depends on the industry, and there is plenty of IP theft elsewhere. Yes everything in China is under some level of government control. Capitalist want to work hard to build something they own to fill a need. Well these owners are building business they own to fill needs and working extremely hard. People costs go up they figure out how to automate. I don't like the government structure either or that they are master copiers, that doesn't mean these business owners aren't capitalist.

They are capitalists in the respect they want to make money but not in the way we think of a capitalist. An American capitalist is less gov’t intrusion.They are not your average Joe just starting up a business. To be be successful you need a government connection. Also, the gov’t has final say over your business not you. I have been in factories when they’ve had their rolling blackouts and had to stop production, Unlike Americans, they would not dare bash their government over the internet. Something USCHOers don’t have to worry about.

 

[JB]

I'll check back after the weekend, guys. Much life is left to be lived, I was pleasantly surprised tonight about the general spirit of folks wanting to get out and socialize at restaurants and bars. On the flip side, some ongoing abhorrent panic-stricken behavior at local supermarkets, but when the MSM bombards you 24/7/365 with Doomsday Part 876, it's hard to not let it affect your behavior.

This is what happens when you have 24 hour news channels. Something needs to be news and emotion sells. What is worse? Social media where rumor sells, it is worse that the 24 hour news.

As to the Chinese stealing patents... Plenty of history in the US of dirty tricks to steal IP, Ford and interval wipers, GE and Tesla's patents, etc.

In that conservative sprit of personal responsibility, shame on the companies that gave their secret sauce to Chinese partners. They knew China wasn't going to enforce patent laws. That has been known for decades. Yet they gave away their secret for cheaper manufacturing. Now they want the "nanny state" to protect them, reap what you sow.

 

[JB]

They are capitalists in the respect they want to make money but not in the way we think of a capitalist. They are not your average Joe just starting up a business. To be be successful you need a government connection. Also, the gov’t has final say over your business not you. I have been in factories when they’ve had their rolling blackouts and had to stop production, Unlike Americans, they would not dare bash their government over the internet. Something USCHOers don’t have to worry about.

I am not sure democracy and free speech and capitalism are all required at the same time.

Note several of our factories choose to go low power when electric loads on the grid are high. Typically on super hot summer days. The grid service things like hospitals first. We do it by choice rather than have it forced on us randomly. Those factories are in the US...

 

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I am not sure democracy and free speech and capitalism are all required at the same time.

Note several of our factories choose to go low power when electric loads on the grid are high. Typically on super hot summer days. The grid service things like hospitals first. We do it by choice rather than have it forced on us randomly. Those factories are in the US...

Exactly, your company chose to do that. Good for them. The lights just didn’t go off suddenly without your company’s knowledge.

 

[Aerman]

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Love all this hockey talk!

 

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Love all this hockey talk!

The Chinese National Hockey team stinks.

 

[JB]

Exactly, your company chose to do that. Good for them. The lights just didn’t go off suddenly without your company’s knowledge.

If we didn't choose to they would/could. The one advantage we have is the grid tells us their window of concern based on that days weather and electric forecasts. We can plan things like training or role the dice.

 

[HockeyRef]

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Today I had a lot of questions from my high school kids. Some were worried about themselves their parents/grandparents...will they have a prom? We havent closed yet but I suspect this is coming shortly.

Like many sport teams our boys were to play in the D3 Finals tonight being the #1 seed..game was cancelled had to be a huge disappointment. They had a big life lesson as we all will experience. It's almost surreal..

One last thing in the lighter side of it all I remarked this was my 3rd pandemic. They asked if the Black Plague was my first...ha! Someone needs to retire....

 

[walrus]

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One last thing in the lighter side of it all I remarked this was my 3rd pandemic. They asked if the Black Plague was my first...ha! Someone needs to retire....

Quick kids anyway, too funny

 

[Darius]

Quick kids anyway, too funny

Gen z calling covid-19 the “Boomer Remover”.

 

[Greg Ambrose]

'Watcher, I beg to disagree. Every time someone shuts down something, things that are part of everyday life, that is altering my everyday existence, and the choices I get to make. I'm not some stark raving libertarian, mind you, and I'm certainly not saying that anyone is advocating for Talladega Motor Speedway driving on normal roads. Maybe you are just more comfortable letting folks dictate the terms of your life? Most of the time, we all seem to manage to do OK despite our differences.

But this time around, we're literally seeing a few people catch a cold, and the rest of us are getting thrown into isolation, even when we don't have any symptoms. No one - not one person -- under the age of 50 has died from this in the US, yet we're now closing schools. This all just flows from the same folks who now cancel school when there's an inch or two of snow on the ground, or a layer of ice on the roads. Whether it's attributable to an extremely overcautious groupthink mindset, OR because those folks worry incessantly about the next ambulance chaser coming down the pike with a personal injury lawsuit, I dunno. Maybe both??

Regardless, now too many regular folks are delving further and further into panic-driven actions, like buying out grocery stores, and creating shortages of some staples. And every time someone - whether it's our President or folks on this forum - try to talk sense and urge folks not to delve into panic, it comes back in the other direction in waves of "you are a <fill-in-the-blank>-ist".

Almost twenty (20) years ago, we literally were under coordinated attack from a foreign enemy on our home soil, and thousands of people were killed in the blink of an eye. There was some panic - what else might be coming next? - and it was warranted, even if the follow-up attacks never came to fruition. We (US) recovered and rebounded quickly, and that served as a shining example of what this country still can be … if we let it be.

But now we're only hearing the downside, sometimes from the usual suspects, and "caution"-driven fear and panic rules over any effort to inject a sense of balance into the reality of the situation.

I'm sorry to repeat this, but I will. As a people, we've all just become so, so collectively soft.

A few people are catching a cold. If that’s the case Chuck, there are plenty of cheap flights available to China, Korea and Italy. Take one, please. As my dad used to say, “you don’t know how foolish you sound.”

 

[Greg Ambrose]

Did you listen to or watch the Rose Garden address? Chuck's language skills are far superior to President Trump's.

Ya, I listened to it. There were so many misstatements and deflections I couldn’t keep up. My favorite though was when he was asked why the administration had eliminated the White House crisis task force to address infectious disease outbreaks. He first responded that it was a “nasty question,” I suppose because he has lived in a life long bubble where he never hears a discouraging word and, if he does, he fires the person. But then he took absolutely no responsibility for the action, saying others did it, and “no, 8 didn’t know anything about it.” This is what we are dealing with.

 

[HockeyRef]

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If you are following the COVID-19 thread, you might have read my post about David Ho, whom I'd trust beyond anyone else (well, Anthony Fauci might be second) about where we are, where we could be heading if we do not adhere to the social isolation, TESTING, etc. I don't think adopting a 'sky is falling' response is the way to go, but I do agree with the disruption of life that we are going to just have to cope with until this thing pans out! Even if you can't stand to watch Rachel Maddow for even one second, David Ho's words are worth the watch:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtZV7Nz7r-Q

This is science...plain and simple.

 

[HockeyRef]

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Ya, I listened to it. There were so many misstatements and deflections I couldn’t keep up. My favorite though was when he was asked why the administration had eliminated the White House crisis task force to address infectious disease outbreaks. He first responded that it was a “nasty question,” I suppose because he has lived in a life long bubble where he never hears a discouraging word and, if he does, he fires the person. But then he took absolutely no responsibility for the action, saying others did it, and “no, 8 didn’t know anything about it.” This is what we are dealing with.

Just like his comments "I don't know the person" and there's a ton of pictures with him? Ugh, just laughable. Watched it live and then noticed the ABC news didn't put in/cover the 'nasty' question comment. Normally he just calls the reporter (always reserved for female reporters, female politicians) nasty. This is the number one reason from the get go that I do not respect him as a person, much less the 'leader' of the free world. It's not just his misogyny and the like, it's how he responds to people in general. Deflect, deflect etc. How can this be ok? But, I digress...

 

[e.cat]

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I often watch Rachel Maddow to hear what the extreme left is saying. Some of her nonsense is actually comical and entertaining.

 

[HockeyRef]

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I often watch Rachel Maddow to hear what the extreme left is saying. Some of her nonsense is actually comical and entertaining.

Ya….exactly how I feel about when I can even for a second, listen to Hannity...and, since we are posting things from our own slants, this is one issue regarding the H1N1 flu (which I got, it was awful...) that I listened to because my husband watches Hannity (yes I have to share our one tv...it is not easy)

https://www.politifact.com/factchec...ent-obama-declared-h1n1-public-health-emerge/

To say that Barack Obama did a lousy job handling this outbreak as opposed to Trump is handling it...? This was the gist of his (Hannity) reporting. Oh, and btw? I was not a fan of many things his (Obama) Presidency, but you can at least say this...he was/still is... a decent man.